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It probably bugs him a bit, but then the flipside is he's probably glad he's not part of that media circus anymore.

I stopped Kart Racing last year when the politics (yes even at 'club level') got too much. I;d already lest a national series hoping a regional event would be better but in fact it was worse. I've still got my kart and take it out for my karting fix every so often. Do i miss the adrenaline of racing? Sure, but not enough to make me want to put up with all that .... and stress again, and I expect Stoner is the same.
 
It probably bugs him a bit, but then the flipside is he's probably glad he's not part of that media circus anymore.

I stopped Kart Racing last year when the politics (yes even at 'club level') got too much. I;d already lest a national series hoping a regional event would be better but in fact it was worse. I've still got my kart and take it out for my karting fix every so often. Do i miss the adrenaline of racing? Sure, but not enough to make me want to put up with all that .... and stress again, and I expect Stoner is the same.

go karts?
 
Well, we call them karts here but yes. Everything from 100cc short track to fire breathing 250cc Superkarts


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Honestly i dont think it bothers Stoner. Frankly i think he sits there with a smirk thinking 'i told u so'. He is probably much happier now away from all the ......... Im sure he misses the great aspects of the sport, particularly the riding of extraordinary machines (though he still tests them).


#22, correction, i think it was "80 secs". And btw, Burgess is still retired, maybe they can offer a Burgess job to solve the "piece of ...." RCV? Ha!
 
Does anyone else think Stoner sits there every weekend wondering why he retired?

I know if Stoner was riding that RCV instead of Pedrosa, he would be leading the points standing now.

It must bug the .... out of him that Rossi keeps getting all this praise. .... Stoner on the M1 would be like watching Jesus descend from the heavens to ride among the aliens.

Tell me how you really feel
 
Hahahaha. Love it. This had me rolling.



ADD another big change with the pile of .... that are Michellins (at the moment). Btw, the "rider(s)" are picking the tires. My guess is ONE rider gets a bit more say than the others.

Good takes here gentz. Agree with many sentiments expressed. But i think the Honda is still the best bike, i think the tire "choice" has presented a problem for MurderMac. Its been a boom for VR. Les we forget, tires have dictated more than anything else race results over the years. No reason why not go back to a time tested tradition.

Reminds me of the infamous exclamation: "Its the oil stupid." Well...'its the tires stupid.'

Btw, I'd love to hear Kropos chime in. Afterall, he described MurderMac's start yesterday as: "Marc Márquez threaded the needle from thirteenth on the grid to make up seven places before the exit of the first corner. And did so surgically and cleanly." Ah yes, all the finesse of a wrecking ball which by mere luck narrowly missed demolishing riders, I suppose as surgical as the Le Mans start as well. That is, if you fire your missile at the crowd and manage to miss, you have done a fine job. Unique perspective I suppose. Love, Jum.

Dunno .... MM was on the edge but he didn't endanger anyone on his way to the front. He got through cleanly. Pretty amazing the way he went up the inside of all those riders. It was like controlled chaos - which is what he's always been good at. Probably ate up enough of his tire to cause the loss of traction in the those closing laps where he crashed. He didn't look out of control when he went down. Just ran out of rubber.
 
Are you saying Duc is actually knocking down the ip address of some users here if they dont behave? I heard a rumor that he wont let Arabs here as well.

Not true - communicated with him. He had other issues and he made a decision not to post ... for now.
 
Dunno .... MM was on the edge but he didn't endanger anyone on his way to the front. He got through cleanly. Pretty amazing the way he went up the inside of all those riders. It was like controlled chaos - which is what he's always been good at. Probably ate up enough of his tire to cause the loss of traction in the those closing laps where he crashed. He didn't look out of control when he went down. Just ran out of rubber.

Yeah, MurderMac didn't actually scud into anyone, I'll give him that. Controlled chaos, like when he torpedoed Rossi? Or like when he torpedoed Pedrosa? Or like when he torpedoed Wilairot? Its controlled chaos until it's someone getting a wheel up their .... Same with Le Mans, I thought surely he was going to ram someone at turn one, he was way off line. He is certainly willing to put himself and others at greater risk, I suppose that is controlled chaos...until its not.

He didn't look out of control when he went down? Well if we are going to reason that he was in control by the fact he didn't ram anyone at the start, can we also use that same logic when in fact he went down?
 
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Yeah, MurderMac didn't actually scud into anyone, I'll give him that. Controlled chaos, like when he torpedoed Rossi? Or like when he torpedoed Pedrosa? Or like when he torpedoed Wilairot? Its controlled chaos until it's someone getting a wheel up their .... Same with Le Mans, I thought surely he was going to ram someone at turn one, he was way off line. He is certainly willing to put himself and others at greater risk, I suppose that is controlled chaos...until its not.

He didn't look out of control when he went down? Well if we are going to reason that he was in control by the fact he didn't ram anyone at the start, can we also use that same logic when in fact he went down?

You're making a judgement on a current event based on past events, which assumes he is incapable of learning from his mistakes. I think we've seen him grow quite a bit over the last few seasons. Got a ways to go - but he is evolving.


He didn't look out of control when he crashed. He'd just used up too much tire in his dash to the front, and he lost the front end. He's not Rossi - who is a great tactician and he's not Lorenzo-the-smooth-clockworks-automaton. He's young and more balls (and uncanny natural ability) than brains. I can't stand him - but won't be surprised if he goes on to win a few more championships. It's ironic how many people gave Simoncelli a pass on all his berserk dangerous riding - without much in the way of results, but are mercilessly critical of MM - who has produced results. I have found both riders equally unlikeable for similar reasons.
 
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Simoncelli had his (at times, rightly) fair share of criticism, but this was almost all quickly forgotten when he passed then was inducted into the hall of fame. Death usually elevates someone above criticism I find.
 
You're making a judgement on a current event based on past events, which assumes he is incapable of learning from his mistakes. I think we've seen him grow quite a bit over the last few seasons. Got a ways to go - but he is evolving.

So then you are making the assertion that he has "evolved". Which decidedly makes a judgement based on past event projected onto the present (evolution). But my analysis is flawed because I used the same logic?

And I do agree, he has 'evolved', I just don't think he has evolved to a point where the dangerous risks put everyone under are acceptable.

He didn't look out of control when he crashed. He'd just used up too much tire in his dash to the front, and he lost the front end. He's not Rossi - who is a great tactician and he's not Lorenzo-the-smooth-clockworks-automaton. He's young and more balls (and uncanny natural ability) than brains. I can't stand him - but won't be surprised if he goes on to win a few more championships. It's ironic how many people gave Simoncelli a pass on all his berserk dangerous riding - without much in the way of results, but are mercilessly critical of MM - who has produced results. I have found both riders equally unlikeable for similar reasons.

You know, I no longer read every bit of information out there that the riders express after incidents like I used to. But I think I heard Marqz complained about a lot of things, (engine power, swingarm, chassis, Honda being slow to react. etc) not the least being the tires (and of course it wasn't his own mistake, hell even Cuntslow said "the tired failed me", no not his brain attached to his hands). So honestly, I'm not sure what led to his 'crash' (an event where one decidedly 'loses control'). I am starting to read how suddenly the RCV is a piece of ...., even revisions that it was a piece of .... last year (Kropaganda). Its amazing he (Marqz) is able to stay on top of this bucking Bronco which is "hard to ride" apparently; that is now declared the "third" best factory machine behind Yamaha and Ducati--a machine that has yet to win a race. So I guess one can blame or claim whatever the hell thought crosses the mind.

Regarding Simoncelli compared to Marquez, quite the contrary of what you assert in my estimation, I would say Marquez has enjoyed far more acceptance for his antics than Simoncelli. Simoncelli was not only rightly criticized by many spectators, pundits, and fellow riders, and league admonishments; but was the subject of an infamous public spectacle of high profile riders calling him out on his dangerous antics (Lorenzo and Pedrosa). The pundits chimed in too, Kropo even calling Simoncelli dumb.

Contrast this with Marquez, who has been basically criticized by a few members of Powerslide and (.....Tiananmen Square), if a tree falls in the forest....well you get what I'm saying. Other than that, not many detractors, quite the contrary! Most fall over themselves to praise his magical powers to praised Marquez for his alien skills. His promos and Dorna feed is a never ending loop of superslow mos in an attempt to capture the mystical elbow down (a feat apparently invented by the lad). Even when he ..... up its describe in lofty terms, laughing as I type this, when he crashed at Mugellow going light speed hailed not as an attempted suicide but rather another record breaking feat as 'the fastest ever crash in GP history', that doesn't sound bad. Swept under the rug was his attempted murder of the Thai rider in Moto2, with a laughable penalty of starting from the back of the grid. Then there was the torpedo of Pedrosa, similar in fact to Simoncelli's incident. Semoncelli became the villain in that episode while an idiodically placed HRC sensor became the villain in the Marquez torpedo for .... sake. What of Marquez's torpedo of Rossi? Hardly a blip, deemed a racing incident. When Marquez and his team ignored the safety limits imposed by the League based on tire concerns at Phillip Island, putting himself and everyone else at risk, the only penalty was in effect deduction of points. The League shelved (and nobody questioned it) this penalty system that was supposed to be cumulative, which would have garnered a race ban, and surely the championship!

So...MurderMac has not been "mercilessly criticized", quite the contrary.

Simoncelli had his (at times, rightly) fair share of criticism, but this was almost all quickly forgotten when he passed then was inducted into the hall of fame. Death usually elevates someone above criticism I find.

Agree. And I would say, the sport has learned little to nothing from his untimely death because the particular incident was a freak accident and NOT judged (as Keshev has reasoned for Marquez) as a continuum of Simoncelli's previous transgressions. I would say that it will take Marquez to Alvaro Bautista bowling ball into 5 riders before anyone will take notice. But who am I kidding. Even when riders die we don't do .... about it and rationalize the event as just an unfortunate freak accident and nothing to do with the rider's lack of 'evolution'.

While on the subject, how do you think the incident between Marquez and Rossi at Le Mans been described had this happened between Marquez and Casey Stoner, where Casey would have called out Marc as a ....... dangerous rider? I can read the headlines now, Casey the Whiner Cry Baby. It was a miracle that Rossi stayed on his bike, but lets say they both crash. Does this change the dynamic? Well it seems to be the prevailing logic because MurderMac by some minor miracle hasn't careened into the first turn. And surely when it does happen, he can take the Alvaro Bautista excuse that riders in front of him were too slow.
 
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What changes Jums is the perspective, and one reason I dislike boppers. If their favourite rider does anything, they jump to his defence for even the slightest transgression while as you point out, if it were a rider they didn't like (such as Stoner) they jump on the bandwagon and blame them for anything without sufficient argument (hence just saying 'whiner' or' cry baby' etc).

I admire most of the riders, and like some more than others but I don't have a crazed love affair with VR or MM so much that my judgement is clouded if they .... up, which sadly seems to be the case with the boppers. I'm guessing you know about the Jeremy Clarkson/Top Gear scandal right? Masses of people here in the UK were incandescent with rage that their beloved fictional TV character (which he is, all the stuff on that show is staged and the schmucks believe it's real) and even when all the facts were out, that he verbally and physically assaulted a member of the shows crew just because he was being a spoilt diva prick and didn't get a steak & chips after arriving at the hotel a considerable time after he had been told the restaurant was closed, insisted that just because he gave them some mild entertainment once a week that all his sins should be forgiven, despite the fact he had committed a crime of assault. Now, had that been a prominent politician, these VERY SAME people would have been calling for his head on a spike (Google 'Plebgate' for an example')

MM is the golden goose at the moment, and as you say it's interesting how words can be strung to put a completely different spin on things. Boppers will always find a way of excusing their boy or blaming another rider, it's just the way it works. Propaganda? Possibly, but to me it's more just human nature.
 
another thing we all have to realize, is that yes, MM has been racing for a while now...but remember he's still only 22 yrs old. now i know, MOST of you guys aren't 22 anymore but you sure as hell remember how hard headed you were at that age.

so instead of theorizing & all this he said/she said ........ (thanks limp bizkit) – MM is still learning & growing the .... up.

but any 22 yr old who's been the baby champ for 2 years & now everything is falling apart you are going to make some bad decisions to still prove you are a top contender.

also - we can all see, his elegantly sloppy style is now failing him...while JLo's flawlessness is sky rocketing him to the top and as much as i love my skinny italian noodle vale...he's def going to have to fight to keep those points up.

i mean come on guys - you all know at 22 you made some terrible decisions that make you all look like ........ too. it's just MM looks beautiful doing it.
 
so instead of theorizing & all this he said/she said ........ (thanks limp bizkit) – MM is still learning & growing the .... up.
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i mean come on guys - you all know at 22 you made some terrible decisions that make you all look like ........ too. it's just MM looks beautiful doing it.

Well reason description of the situation...for a Beaouch!

Agree with most of this except that the lad is getting a pass and his antics even encouraged. We get that he is you and dumb and full of Kropo, but that doesn't mean we have to sweep it under the rug when he ..... up. Yeah yeah, youngsters screw up, we get it, but the 'adults' in the room keep telling him: hey little man, you know how you just blew past that limit, that was awesome man! Cool!
 
Well reason description of the situation...for a Beaouch!

Agree with most of this except that the lad is getting a pass and his antics even encouraged. We get that he is you and dumb and full of Kropo, but that doesn't mean we have to sweep it under the rug when he ..... up. Yeah yeah, youngsters screw up, we get it, but the 'adults' in the room keep telling him: hey little man, you know how you just blew past that limit, that was awesome man! Cool!

god damnit jum! it's like every parent who says "MY KID DID NOTHING WRONG!!!" after they .... in the middle of the floor and i ....... hate that ....! if you kid .... in the middle of the floor you discipline them.

and i am in no way defending his actions...i'm just saying he needs to ....... grow up a little.

he needs to realize he can't be the best all the time & when he realizes that hopefully he'll make better choices rather than feeding into every ....... person blowing smoke up his ....... & sucking his .... at the same time.
 

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