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Honda is rumored to have a factory RC213V standing by for Marquez, merely awaiting the decision of him and his team. Marquez would be housed in a separate "satellite" team under the banner of a major Spanish sponsor (probably still the Catalunya Caixa bank which is title sponsor of Marquez' Moto2 effort), with Repsol providing the real backing of the project, and ready to move Marquez into the factory team once he has gone through the compulsory first year in MotoGP which prevents rookies from entering a factory team directly. The test at Valencia will be decisive, with the way Marquez adapts to the bike being the final factor that forces him one way or another.
 
Marquez is a terrific talent, no doubt about it. But the competition in moto2 is not what it has been in past years. His main competition of Bradl & Iannone etc are not the equivalent of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo & Pedrosa.

It will be a massive step up into motogp I think.
 
Frizzle said:
Marquez is a terrific talent, no doubt about it. But the competition in moto2 is not what it has been in past years. His main competition of Bradl & Iannone etc are not the equivalent of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo & Pedrosa.

It will be a massive step up into motogp I think.
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No doubt, but you have to lock up the next possible alien before someone else does.
 
He blitzed the field in qualifying at Motegi. From a 125 to a heavy ... 600, it took him around 5-6 races to make the jump and become just dominant. That may be as big a jump than from 600 to 1000. Im not sure what curve he will be graded on when it comes to the test, but m having a hard time believing that his plans for next year are going to be determined in a couple of days. I guess if the bike just totally manhandled him they might drop back and punt, but you have to think that the decision has been made and he is going GP next year
 
if marquez gets a ride in valencia, would that negate the "rookie" rule? thus meaning he dont need 1 year on satelite bike the following year?
 
Pinky said:
if marquez gets a ride in valencia, would that negate the "rookie" rule? thus meaning he dont need 1 year on satelite bike the following year?
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No, it will not be with Repsol, but supposedly will be a full factory effort sattelite team
 
I don't completely understand that rookie rule. So basically if the team is not an official factory backed team, but is running factory equipment, they still are considered a squad that qualifies for 'satellite' status in terms of the rookie rule? I don't think Simoncelli had factory equipment his rookie year. I don't even know why they made that rule.



If Marquez supposedly has factory equipment waiting for him should his team decide to move up and Dovi trying to get factory support for his move to LCR, does that make 5 factory bikes for Honda on the grid next year?
 
Pedro getting nervous. Cant wait for that MF to lose his darling factory ride. Then all of u giving him a pass cuz he hasnt attempted to kill somebody lately will see what hes made of. Go Marquez!
 
eltoro said:
I don't completely understand that rookie rule. So basically if the team is not an official factory backed team, but is running factory equipment, they still are considered a squad that qualifies for 'satellite' status in terms of the rookie rule? I don't think Simoncelli had factory equipment his rookie year. I don't even know why they made that rule.



If Marquez supposedly has factory equipment waiting for him should his team decide to move up and Dovi trying to get factory support for his move to LCR, does that make 5 factory bikes for Honda on the grid next year?
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They supposedly made the rule to increase the chances of the non-factory teams getting access to the best talent. Like many of their rule changes it is largely philosophical rather than practical, not fully thought through and basically unenforceable. They gave suzuki an exemption from the start, and the only way to stop riders being parked on non-official factory teams would be to either limit each manufacturer to 2 riders on full-factory bikes, or to mandate that non-factory bikes have a lower specification, both of which would perhaps rather defeat their purpose.
 
SuperShinya56 said:
Jumkie.... your hootin' and hollarin' of Hayden being damned by everyone up to and including his mother is getting very annoying. This isn't even a Hayden thread, so keep your Kentucky Squid out of it. Every thread I swear has a mention of this bottom tier racer in it, and for what? Jumkie, you would probably make a helluva damn good progranda radio announcer if you were a citizen of Germany during WW2 with half the shiit you spew.



Face it. He's nothing more then a fluke champion, a marketable sub-par American motorcycle racer who has had the best equipment at his disposable through-out his career, but has under-perform considerably given his package. Honda knows it, Ducati knows it, heck everyone who's ever watched MotoGP knows it. Why did you even think right when Dani came in, Honda changed their direction building a bike towards Pedrosa? Little Dani came in his first year and as far as I'm concerned SPANKED Hayden in every which way...... deffinately was the better rider, even when Hayden won his gifted championship with a mere 2 victories. Haydens a joke of a rider, always has been. That smile can fool other's, deffinately not me.
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Man I get a laugh from this.



If Hayden was so .... poor and lacking ability then why didn't (of all people) Dani get it that year. Or Rossi. Or Stoner. Or anyone else in the entire field.



No matter how hard I try to agree with this idea (no that hard really) I cannot for the life of me explain why a numpty no hoper like Nicki came first.



What happened to everyone else.



Apropos Marquez - my prediction ever since the smoking man grabbed a seat (and a championship with his boy) that Dani is on the way out.



Marquez and Simoncelli on the satellite Honda's that are very close to factory machines and Dani and his loud mouth under achieving manager are goooooooone.
 
Frizzle said:
Marquez is a terrific talent, no doubt about it. But the competition in moto2 is not what it has been in past years. His main competition of Bradl & Iannone etc are not the equivalent of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo & Pedrosa.

It will be a massive step up into motogp I think.
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don't forget the special akrapovic exhaust,a bike solely built for him, a team with 3 times the budget and a test bike....

i'm not trying to take anything away from marquez, he is a great rider and i'd agree that he is the fastest in moto2 at the moment.

but if bradl had the same advantages ,he would have kept his lead in the standings



its a absolute disaster that bradl won't get a seat next year
 
cliché guevara said:
don't forget the special akrapovic exhaust,a bike solely built for him, a team with 3 times the budget and a test bike....

i'm not trying to take anything away from marquez, he is a great rider and i'd agree that he is the fastest in moto2 at the moment.

but if bradl had the same advantages ,he would have kept his lead in the standings



its a absolute disaster that bradl won't get a seat next year
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Well, the arguments must be made: Is he getting the support because he is a good rider? Or he is a good rider because he is getting the support? I think more of the latter than the former.



The truth is that as the lead rider, he will get the latest go-fast bits ahead of the other riders. It's no coincidence that he is the lead rider, of course - he got that status through the brilliance of his results. The first time he tested a Moto2 bike, he topped testing! That's called talent...
 
I cant help but feel it is a little unfair to be putting Pedro out to pasture because of a very talented young up and coming rider who is at this stage a complete unproven quantity in the top class...Dani has finished top 3 in the title chase every year bar his rookie season and whilst I agree Marquez seems to have what it takes you just never know until you are thrown in with the sharks. I suspect Marquez is a future premiere class world champion but only time will tell.



If Honda do decide to eventually ditch Pedro in favour of Marquez I would like to see Suzuki chase his services as he has shown that he may have very capable development skills and a Bautista/Pedrosa team would be fairly competitive if Suzuki can develop a decent bike for them. An alien on a Suzuki would be good for MotoGP.
 
Mr Squiggle said:
If Honda do decide to eventually ditch Pedro in favour of Marquez I would like to see Suzuki chase his services as he has shown that he may have very capable development skills and a Bautista/Pedrosa team would be fairly competitive if Suzuki can develop a decent bike for them. An alien on a Suzuki would be good for MotoGP.
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Team Ducayamazooki may well pine for Pedro's precocious piloting prowess, but are they willing to tolerate his malignant siamese twin stinking up the garage? Unless Dani is willing to cut the cord, he's going to have a hell of a time finding a job.
 
Geonerd said:
Team Ducayamazooki may well pine for Pedro's precocious piloting prowess, but are they willing to tolerate his malignant siamese twin stinking up the garage? Unless Dani is willing to cut the cord, he's going to have a hell of a time finding a job.
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So far the only real-world evidence of Puig issues are the doofuses who boo Pedrosa at the American rounds and Anglophones who spend a lot of time online -- no one else gives a .....
 
Geonerd said:
Team Ducayamazooki may well pine for Pedro's precocious piloting prowess, but are they willing to tolerate his malignant siamese twin stinking up the garage? Unless Dani is willing to cut the cord, he's going to have a hell of a time finding a job.
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As much as think Puig is a maligant tumour which Pedro needs to have surgically removed I am not so sure it would be such a huge issue....Suzuki need to look at their bottom line and get someone capable of winning a race....there are only really 4 guys who can do this at present (3 if you discount Rossi because of the current bike issues).



Spies has been the only other pilot to win a recent race other than the aliens but so far has shown he is not consistently at their superhuman level.



Bautista has been very impressive this year also but is not really a bonafide number one factory rider. If the opportunity came along for Suzuki to grab Pedro they would be stupid not to take it.
 


Bigguy said:
What the hell are you talking about now? I think I could safely say that I understand the game quite well. The fact that everyone knows you in this forum does not make you a great racing mind - even if you believe that you are.
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The issue isn't whether everyone knows Jum and his well and often stated opinions... The issue is with you defending a basically untenable position. I kinda like Pedders and the grit he has show in recent years, but... consummate professional on and off the track - NOT!
 

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