Marquez: Next target of hate/scorn?
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Ok dude, end of exchange. Go ignore somebody elses posts. Clearly you have nothing.
BTW, I found a book you and that other dude defending Pedro/Puig might be interested in, assuming its not on your shelves already. Its a bit basic, so you will probably understand it. Its appropriately titled "Two mechanical elves for Dani Pedrosa". Its a children's book. Enjoy.
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Me, "vilified" Pedro/Puig (I think of them as one unit, just like a ventriloquist act), no, I didn't vilify them, I'm pretty sure they did this on their own, unless there is an invisible ventriloquist speaking for Puig speaking for Pedro? Hahah, Ah so being a "dipshit" bothers you? Well now you have a glimpse of what Nicky had to endure for several year by that "professional" teammate and his ventriloquist manager.
You know what Biggy, 'I can't wait to get back [to another thread], as you are a useless
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Wait, what? Didn't Hayden uh win like something in 2006? I know I have memories of him being very happy about something at the end of that year. Hmmm.
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Hahaha, ah, I was waiting for it. We are still talking about decent human exchange are we not? You know, not acting like a "dipshit" and all. So now you'd like to change the subject and talk about results on given package? Hahaha,is this part of your weak defense that "Dani is a professional". You've been watching for 30 years, Nicky's teammate was winning last year races but this year his teammate is not, why? I'll answer for you, because what you race matters. Enuf on that. So lets get back to my statement above. 'I can't wait to get back [to another thread], as YOU are a useless
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Thats how you reward the champ, you develop a bike for his teammate. Its happened before, for example.....
Yeah, Hayden won something in '06 - 2 races and a title. That would be the one year that he
OK, I'll rephrase that - what matters is beating your teammate. Hayden did that in '06.
All the 'treated like ....' part is your own man-love of Hayden, poor Nicky, he has been on the most prestigious teams in all of motorcycle racing with one decent season to show for it - he was wronged! Poor .......... Pedrosa's manager worked to get him support as managers will do - and Pedrosa happens to have a powerful manager (who also happens to be an .......). Hayden's manager, er, who is Hayden's manager? Earl?
Yes, Hayden won something in '06 - 2 races and a title. That it was a fairly weak title means naught - all that matters is the point count at the end of the season. He is a world champ, something that damned few can say. He has done little since and if he was not one hell of a PR guy and a team player he'd be in a different series.
OK, I'll rephrase that - what matters is beating your teammate. Hayden did that in '06.
All the 'treated like ....' part is your own man-love of Hayden, poor Nicky, he has been on the most prestigious teams in all of motorcycle racing with one decent season to show for it - he was wronged! Poor .......... Pedrosa's manager worked to get him support as managers will do - and Pedrosa happens to have a powerful manager (who also happens to be an .......). Hayden's manager, er, who is Hayden's manager? Earl?
Yes, Hayden won something in '06 - 2 races and a title. That it was a fairly weak title means naught - all that matters is the point count at the end of the season. He is a world champ, something that damned few can say. He has done little since and if he was not one hell of a PR guy and a team player he'd be in a different series.
Regardless of individual personalities, all these guys at the top are insanely fast and have massive balls.
I have said before, I give Pedro massive dibs. The guys is smaller than most 13 year old girls, and rides a 250 hp moster to within an inch of its life every time he gets on, sometimes in the wet, and is under massive pressure to perform - to the point that he isn't scared to risk being unloaded at warp speed (by comparrison - I'm .... scared of faling of stationary at the traffic lights).
Pedro is a shy kid, who's probably been picked on most of his childhood for being small. He gets into bike racing, and suddenly he's a superstar and has people like Puig and Repsol looking after him, but also telling him what to do.
Pedro probably didn't know how to act with the media (a bit like Stoner, and others), and in the early days (about the same time as .... blew up with NH) came off looking like a .....
I actually think, if you got to know Pedro, he would be very introverted, but not a bad human being. (Puig not so much)
Bottom line, one on one, Pedro is probably a faster rider than Nicky, and would probably be faster than Nicky on most bikes, but in saying that, Nicky got royally screwed by Honda whilst being world champ, and whilst I believe that sits largely in the hands of Puig and Repsol, it was Pedro that was seen as the one screwing Nicky. Pedro was the new golden child (for Spain), and therefore there was huge motivation for all of Puig, Ezpeleta, and Repsol (and therefore Honda), to see him rise to the top, regardless of the consequences.
From the outside, seems like Puig has done a lot to help Pedro, but he has also put him through a lot of crap.
It seems like Nicky is one of the real standup people in MotoGP, who is genuinely happy every day that he gets the chance to race bikes. It is a shame that in the business world of sport, that doesn't count for much.
I would really love to see NH have a boomer year in 2012 on the 1000cc Duc, but unfortunately as no. 2 to aother powerbroker, his chances are limited.
I have said before, I give Pedro massive dibs. The guys is smaller than most 13 year old girls, and rides a 250 hp moster to within an inch of its life every time he gets on, sometimes in the wet, and is under massive pressure to perform - to the point that he isn't scared to risk being unloaded at warp speed (by comparrison - I'm .... scared of faling of stationary at the traffic lights).
Pedro is a shy kid, who's probably been picked on most of his childhood for being small. He gets into bike racing, and suddenly he's a superstar and has people like Puig and Repsol looking after him, but also telling him what to do.
Pedro probably didn't know how to act with the media (a bit like Stoner, and others), and in the early days (about the same time as .... blew up with NH) came off looking like a .....
I actually think, if you got to know Pedro, he would be very introverted, but not a bad human being. (Puig not so much)
Bottom line, one on one, Pedro is probably a faster rider than Nicky, and would probably be faster than Nicky on most bikes, but in saying that, Nicky got royally screwed by Honda whilst being world champ, and whilst I believe that sits largely in the hands of Puig and Repsol, it was Pedro that was seen as the one screwing Nicky. Pedro was the new golden child (for Spain), and therefore there was huge motivation for all of Puig, Ezpeleta, and Repsol (and therefore Honda), to see him rise to the top, regardless of the consequences.
From the outside, seems like Puig has done a lot to help Pedro, but he has also put him through a lot of crap.
It seems like Nicky is one of the real standup people in MotoGP, who is genuinely happy every day that he gets the chance to race bikes. It is a shame that in the business world of sport, that doesn't count for much.
I would really love to see NH have a boomer year in 2012 on the 1000cc Duc, but unfortunately as no. 2 to aother powerbroker, his chances are limited.
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Nuts, that is one hell of an excellent post dude. Agreed with just about everything.
I was having a nice little go at Burrito Supreme and Bunkguy, but it was just for fun, my fun. I figured I'd treat them like a jerk for them to see what its like to deal with one. I guess they didn't see my point as they continued to defend it. Incidentally, I agree, Pedro is shy, but as you know, that's no excuse for being a ..... And being short is no reason either, which reminds me of what a buddy said when he read some of Pedro's comments, "just cuz you're 4 feet tall doesn't mean you should act like a 6 year old". Most all Pedro's negative comments were unprovoked. But as you say, I'm sure it was script from Pig. Not sure if that makes it excusable, as Pedro, despite his diminutive stature, is still a 'man'.
(Sorry, I still don't like him, but I don't hate him like I use to. That's progress... I guess. Baby step, eh?)
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After there were no more promising Spanish 250 class champs. Then Alvaro went to Suzuki, a factory ride.
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hilarious this thread is. as sure as the sun rises in the morning, no one other than a spaniard will become the chosen one for repsol. hayden could've won 2 titles in a row and pedrosa would still be their main. nothing against hayden and nothing against pedrosa, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. hayden was just the wrong nationality on a spanish-backed team in a spanish-dominated series (as someone already posted). so to those peeps out there taking it so personally, relax...don't hate the player, hate the game! LMFAO!!!
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I'm just happy that Repsol wasn't able to deliver the spanish champ and as long as Casey feels like riding, Repsol will be paying for a non spanish champ for years to come. Pedro can be the best in the world and sometimes faster than Casey but it doesn't mean jack when he can't finish a season and he's fading at the end of races because he's always recovering from some injury. The Pedro experiment is about to come to an end with the big bikes requiring more braking to slow them down because of the higher speeds, I'm not sure that Pedro will be able to adjust as his weakness has always been braking, no pun intended lol.
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I find myself in the very odd position to defend Pedro...hehehe. He did well on the "big bikes" when they were 990s. I don't doubt he will be winning races on the "1000s".
Regardless, you and Freak touched on a point that has me smiling, Repsol will be footing the bill for a non-Spanish rider, hahaha. And as I had said above, it will come at the hands of Stoner, the guy Puig helped out of the wilderness.
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Jumkie.... your hootin' and hollarin' of Hayden being damned by everyone up to and including his mother is getting very annoying. This isn't even a Hayden thread, so keep your Kentucky Squid out of it. Every thread I swear has a mention of this bottom tier racer in it, and for what? Jumkie, you would probably make a helluva damn good progranda radio announcer if you were a citizen of Germany during WW2 with half the shiit you spew.
Face it. He's nothing more then a fluke champion, a marketable sub-par American motorcycle racer who has had the best equipment at his disposable through-out his career, but has under-perform considerably given his package. Honda knows it, Ducati knows it, heck everyone who's ever watched MotoGP knows it. Why did you even think right when Dani came in, Honda changed their direction building a bike towards Pedrosa? Little Dani came in his first year and as far as I'm concerned SPANKED Hayden in every which way...... deffinately was the better rider, even when Hayden won his gifted championship with a mere 2 victories. Haydens a joke of a rider, always has been. That smile can fool other's, deffinately not me.
Face it. He's nothing more then a fluke champion, a marketable sub-par American motorcycle racer who has had the best equipment at his disposable through-out his career, but has under-perform considerably given his package. Honda knows it, Ducati knows it, heck everyone who's ever watched MotoGP knows it. Why did you even think right when Dani came in, Honda changed their direction building a bike towards Pedrosa? Little Dani came in his first year and as far as I'm concerned SPANKED Hayden in every which way...... deffinately was the better rider, even when Hayden won his gifted championship with a mere 2 victories. Haydens a joke of a rider, always has been. That smile can fool other's, deffinately not me.
In the words of Chris Tucker to Jacky Chan " Do u understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"
Some peeps get pref treatment in the sport, but in Pedros/Puig's case (the two being one unit), i think it took form in actively shitting on Hayden.
Do u understand now? Ur confused. Wake me up when u can understand the differences in nuance buddy.
I get what you are saying. But I'm just in disbelief that you don't believe favoritism reared its ugly head in that conflict. Puig/Pedro ....... on Hayden because they knew Repsol had their back (favoritism). So I do not know why you keep saying that favoritism played no part in people disliking him.
But frankly I'll leave this matter as 'agree to disagree'.
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Pedro/puig didn't have to be dicks and talk bad about Nicky, making him look worse when the bike and HRC backing was clearly being moved towards Pedro. It doesn't matter if they had favoritism or not, biguy said pedro was a professional and Jumkie just reminded him that a professional doesn't treat a fellow rider that way. It is possible to be critical of someone without insulting them, it's called being classy and pedro puig had none when it came to Nicky. I personally hated pedro for taking Nicky out and for his comments towards Nicky. As far as the favoritism goes I take that out on HRC and Repsol and like I said in my last post it's nice to see all that Repsol money isn't going to buy them a spanish champ any time soon.
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I find myself in the very odd position to defend Pedro...hehehe. He did well on the "big bikes" when they were 990s. I don't doubt he will be winning races on the "1000s".
Regardless, you and Freak touched on a point that has me smiling, Repsol will be footing the bill for a non-Spanish rider, hahaha. And as I had said above, it will come at the hands of Stoner, the guy Puig helped out of the wilderness.
.... that, these big bikes will be faster than the 990's, for some reason this thread has reignited my dislike for Pedro/Puig. I thinks it's because of a comment that puig made about Nicky being fired for not performing and puig saying that him and pedro could be in the same position if they failed to perform...Casey just put that ... onto the on deck circle, now it's time to watch'em strike out.
