Marquez: Next target of hate/scorn?

I think a fair number of you here read Kropotkin's blog. He has hinted in a few of his posts of favoritism/look the other way treatment Marquez gets from various sources. I think an obvious parallel is the Spaniard of diminutive status currently in MotoGP and the favorable treatment he received pre-Stoner arrival. The silver spoon, gets what he wants type treatment.



Marquez's arrival to MotoGP will be anticipated. Will you view him in a negative light because he's been groomed like Pedrosa to be the next 'big thing' for Repsol to deliver the next Spanish champion for their team?

Pedro wasnt disliked until he started acting like a ..... So lets not confuse this. Marquez seems a nice kid. That he may hav a bit of favortism is another thing, and its just par for the course in a Spanish run & dominated league.

I don't think there can be any doubt that the kid is a talent. He is aggressive and fast. I noticed in the Moto2 race at Brno he had trouble closing the gap each time he dropped back but was able to follow someone back to the leaders.



As has been pointed out by Krop etc he is getting preferential treatment and it is costing Suter because other teams are departing next year because of it. Riders of particular nationalities getting silver spoon treatment is nothing new. They don't get the silver spoon treatment if they have no talent so in some respects it shouldn't be a problem. What is a problem is when equally talent riders get no where because they are denied the same options and then fans of the silver spoon rider claim more talent then the one who never got the shot.



In my view Bradl is the better rider and if given a decent chance will be to Marquez what Stoner has been to Pedrosa.

Jumkie said:

Pedro wasnt disliked until he started acting like a ..... So lets no confuse this. Marquez seems a nice kid. That he may hav a bit of favortism is another thing, and its just par for the course in a Spanish run & dominated league.

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That is one factor why people dislike Pedrosa, because he's acted like a .... in the past. But people also seem to dislike him because of the favoritism he has received. You're a Haydenite, I've read posts where you clearly take digs at him for playing a part in marginalizing Hayden.

i hate midgets

eltoro said:

That is one factor why people dislike Pedrosa, because he's acted like a .... in the past. But people also seem to dislike him because of the favoritism he has received. You're a Haydenite, I've read posts where you clearly take digs at him for playing a part in marginalizing Hayden.

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Hence my acting like a .... comment. Another difference has been that getting pref treatment is one thing, but with Pedro it also took the form of detriment to Hayden.



Would u like to discuss somthing? Whats ur point?

xx CURVE xx said:

i hate midgets

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Clearly uve never been to a midget wrestling match. They are hilarious.

Jumkie said:

Hence my acting like a .... comment. Another difference has been that getting pref treatment is one thing, but with Pedro it also took the form of detriment to Hayden.



Would u like to discuss somthing? Whats ur point?

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I don't understand what you just said. What do you mean preferential treatment is one thing? It's part of the whole package. You weren't pissed or didn't like the fact that he was favored over Hayden at Repsol? You say favoritism does not play a part in people's dislike for him, but it seems that that is one of the factors that is included in your dislike for him whether you realize it or not.

eltoro said:

I don't understand what you just said. What do you mean preferential treatment is one thing? It's part of the whole package. You weren't pissed or didn't like the fact that he was favored over Hayden at Repsol? You say favoritism does not play a part in people's dislike for him, but it seems that that is one of the factors that is included in your dislike for him whether you realize it or not.

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In the words of Chris Tucker to Jacky Chan " Do u understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"



Some peeps get pref treatment in the sport, but in Pedros/Puig's case (the two being one unit), i think it took form in actively shitting on Hayden.



Do u understand now? Ur confused. Wake me up when u can understand the differences in nuance buddy.

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i hate midgets

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Had to laugh at that one!



Marquez seems like a nice kid, he looks genuinely excited to be out there. He has more of that "childlike" thing that Rossi had in his 125 and 250 days.



I agree, it's not so much Pedrosa's background as some of his carry ons that piss people off

by the time marquez comes to motogp prob in 2013 and be competitive by 2015, rossi would be gone and boppers would hop on over and continue there hate of stoner and lorenzo thru marquez

Pedro is ok, its the PUIG people dislike. . . . . .

Pedrosa has only acted like a .... if you cannot see past Hayden. He has generally been completely professional. The bike was designed around him, but that was Honda's doing - blame them.

Bigguy said:

Pedrosa has only acted like a .... if you cannot see past Hayden. He has generally been completely professional. The bike was designed around him, but that was Honda's doing - blame them.

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Pouting to switch mid-season to Bridgestone and conspiring a mutiny with his ......... owner is professional to get his way, leaving early from a test as protest (oh wait, that had to do with Nicky, never mind, I can't see past Hayden). When did you start watching GP, this week? He acted like a .... with Simo too, oh but wait, that was justified, after all, Simo is a fellow factory rider...Is that google I hear starting to buzz?

I started watching in '80, and let me guess, you are still aghast over Pedrosa taking out Hayden 5 years ago? I believe some guy named Rossi switched to Bridgestone too, didn't he? Was he a .... too?

Bigguy said:

I started watching in '80, and let me guess, you are still aghast over Pedrosa taking out Hayden 5 years ago? I believe some guy named Rossi switched to Bridgestone too, didn't he? Was he a .... too?

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80s, well then your going senile by now. hahaha. No, I'm not "aghast", but what he displayed there hasn't much changed. But I suspect, like most peeps who follow sports superficially, once peeps start winning, they are suddenly saints. You said it was only to do with Hayden. Well, that is enough is it not (as it wasn't just a single afternoon shitting as it lasted for years after, but you would know that since you followed for 30 years, I'm sure that included the years Nicky was being marginalized by Pedro/Puig were included in your long following of the sport)? But then I reminded you of his little Bstone mutiny and his unwillingness to forgive Simo (though when he did worse he was forgiven within hours). Lets stick to Pedro shall we, injecting Rossi will just set us off on a tangent. But to answer your question, he used his massive influence to get the Bstones as well, not a big secret. The .... part for Pedro is that he changed mid season, throwing Michelin under the bus publicly. Professional? I guess for your standards. Hehe, nah Bigguy, don't take what I say to seriously. Its all good man. Just that I think Pedro and his pedrophile owner are ......... But that just my crazy bias based on years of seeing them act like ......... I'm not the best guy to debate diplomatically when it comes to Pedro/Puig brotha. I've met him a couple of times actually. He's been gracious enough to take a picture with me, so he can't be all that bad.

Yes, I would classify Pedrosa as one of the more professional riders in the series. I still get a laugh at how many Americans still hold a mistake in his rookie year against him, and 99% of the dislike for the guy in this country is rooted in that one error.



Puig is a hard-on with ears but I have no problem with Pedrosa. And if I had 2 surgeries as a result of Simoncelli's over-aggressive behavior I probably wouldn't like him either.

Bigguy said:

Yes, I would classify Pedrosa as one of the more professional riders in the series. I still get a laugh at how many Americans still hold a mistake in his rookie year against him, and 99% of the dislike for the guy is rooted in that one error.

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Don't blanket us Americans, I have a couple of good friends who like Pedro (even though they are wrong ). Ah yes, again, because that's the only reason I dislike him. Are you purposely avoiding the rest of what I've typed or you just have no answer for it?



To add to his professionalism, since you've been watching since dirt was invented, you'll probably remember the multiple times Dani has thrown Honda under the bus publicly. Even though they were providing him with new chassis like it was candy in a gum ball machine. Do you remember what year that was? Is one of the 30 you've been watching.



You are funny dude. I mean, defending Dani's professionalism, while conceding that he was only a .... to Hayden. Pedro has a long history of going public when he is disgruntled, perhaps a cue from his "manager". Reminds me of when he said Nicky was of no use in developing a bike, this why he sat out from injury that he blamed on his bike not rider error. You remember right? Pedro crashed during testing, but didn't blame himself. Then said he couldn't wait to get back on the bike because Nicky is "useless." Some professional, eh.

Bigguy said:

Puig is a hard-on with ears but I have no problem with Pedrosa. And if I had 2 surgeries as a result of Simoncelli's over-aggressive behavior I probably wouldn't like him either.

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Then maybe Pedro shouldn't have panicked. Or lets say, he should have taken a page out of the last time he did the same, and pay forward the same kindness he was shown.

Oh, I'm not blanketing 'you' Americans, and I know more than one who likes him - I am an American myself. He's not my favorite rider but I have nothing against him. As far as 'the rest of what you typed', to what specifically were you looking for a reply? That Honda built a bike that didn't suit Hayden? Yes, that happened. That was Honda's doing, Pedrosa does not design bikes. If it's politics that you are referring to, Puig is Dani's manager and he is #1 in the politics game - can't stand the guy but I'm not damning Pedrosa for it. What did I miss? Pedrosa changing to better tires mid-season? Yes, that happened too - good move in my opinion.



This is what I refer to as the 'People magazine' side of racing. I don't like this guy because he slighted that guy, people don't like Hayden because he 'stole' Edwards' ride, Pedrosa is a jerk because Honda built him a bike, blah blah blah.

Bigguy said:

Oh, I'm not blanketing 'you' Americans, and I know more than one who likes him - I am an American myself. He's not my favorite rider but I have nothing against him. As far as 'the rest of what you typed', to what specifically were you looking for a reply? That Honda built a bike that didn't suit Hayden? Yes, that happened. That was Honda's doing, Pedrosa does not design bikes. If it's politics that you are referring to, Puig is Dani's manager and he is #1 in the politics game - can't stand the guy but I'm not damning Pedrosa for it. What did I miss? Pedrosa changing to better tires mid-season? Yes, that happened too - good move in my opinion.



This is what I refer to as the 'People magazine' side of racing. I don't like this guy because he slighted that guy, people don't like Hayden because he 'stole' Edwards' ride, Pedrosa is a jerk because Honda built him a bike, blah blah blah.

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Did you skip this part?





To add to his professionalism (you claim), since you've been watching since dirt was invented, you'll probably remember the multiple times Dani has thrown Honda under the bus publicly. Even though they were providing him with new chassis like it was candy in a gum ball machine. Do you remember what year that was? Its one of the 30 you've been watching.

You are funny dude. I mean, defending Dani's professionalism, while conceding that he was only a .... to Hayden. Pedro has a long history of going public when he is disgruntled, perhaps a cue from his "manager". Reminds me of when he said Nicky was of no use in developing a bike, this while he sat out from injury that he blamed on his bike not rider error (ah of course, its always the bikes fault when he crashes). You remember right? Pedro crashed during testing, but didn't blame himself. Then said he couldn't wait to get back on the bike because Nicky is "useless." Some professional, eh.



Good move to move to Bstones, ah yes. Because nobody else wanted to get the best set of tires and resorted to strong arming his bed buddies in headquarters office. Very professional. The magazine side of the sport? Hahaha. Then why are you defending his "professionalism", lets just talk about what a great talent he is then? No need to drop your two cents into this thread, eh? After all, lets just concentrate on ability, character is a "magazine" thingy.



(Disclaimer, I'm sorry for sounding like a jerk to you buddy, again, I'm not the best guy to debate on the "professional" merits of Pedro/Puig).



Edit to add: The reason why I don't cut Pedro slack is that for years Hayden went about his business quietly, with honorable work ethic, and offered up forgiveness when Dani didn't deserve it. He never instigated Pedro or Puig for him to be treated in such dismissive disrespectful manor for several years, that included his employer. Consistently he got in return .... from these privileged connected arrogant people. Its clearly a bully situation, where Pedro/Pig acted insolent. And what did Hayden do to deserve this? Think about the character's in the paddock, you think Pedro could have got away with this on Edwards, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, etc? Pedro/Puig are bullies, and they still are bullies. And if you want to say it was Puig not Pedro, well then, maybe Puig is a ventriloquist, as the words seemed very clearly to come out of Pedro's mouth. And that is enough for me to dislike them. That he wins races doesn't change that he's a .....