Many Journo's are clueless,here's my take on VR vs MM!

Well.....Where do we start?!! Firstly Julian Ryder and Keith Huewen are ridiculously awful on BT Sports.... I can't believe they profess to be 'experts' in their field......

Ok I am a Rossi fan, but I believe I'm a very fair one who considers all aspects of Motogp. Rossi ''was'' on the verge of a remarkable 10th World title after 2 years in the wilderness at Ducati and 1 tough year in his first season back at Yamaha. Everyone slated him for axing Jeremy Burgess saying he's searching for something and he's simply lost it at his ripe old age and should bow out gracefully..... He then clearly finds his way again which he knew was possible and finishes 2nd to an unbelievable Marquez, no mean feat in itself!

So he's had the upper hand on Lorenzo(No. 1 rider) in 2014, now on the verge of winning a ridiculous 10th title with unbelievable consistency in 2015. Lorenzo at this point is thinking(f**k me this can't be happening! I'm the No.1 rider...) Then Marquez also thinks Hmmm he's outdone me this year(cheated me out of the title) and if he wins title number 10, I need one more extra to be the GOAT AND he's still around next year and beyond, oh no.....!

In my opinion Marquez has got a point about the Argentina crash, even I as a Rossi fan believe there's a 90% chance Vale did see Marquez's vulnerable front wheel lurking next to his rear wheel when he glanced to his right knowing there's only one winner in that fight, so executed a small movement to the right of a normal line to clash with Marquez...and the reason being Marquez disgustingly rammed Vale up the arse after his pass in the right hander and Vale thought 'ok pal is that how it is eh!!' Bamm!

Assen on the other hand is a totally no questions win for Vale with Marquez angry at Rossi's perfect position and late braking to cover all possibilities of a Marquez triumph even when Marquez tried the 'Bulldozer'!!

People should take note that Rossi gave Pedrosa glowing praise in Aragon for their battle and praised Ianonne in P.I. Close racing is welcomed by all including Rossi if it's out and out best position racing from all parties, Marquez's slow qiuick slow quick manipulating isn't racing in anyones book and he's been a disgrace for doing it(twice).

So....... Marquez should accept defeat this season, take stock and see he's been taught a lesson and bring the fight to Rossi head to head in 2016. You should NEVER intentionally ruin a title contenders chances because you can't accept losing!! Marquez is a terrible loser, Rossi has ALWAYS been magnanimous in defeat, he'll hate it BUT accept it!!

No question has Marquez played games in Phillip Island, to make over 1.1 seconds on the final lap of a race after 'overheating the front' is absolute boll**ks. No other Honda riders complained of the issue, Marquez undoubtedly had the pace to disappear into the distance! Rossi also did 7 laps faster than Lorenzo showing clearly enough pace to take 2nd position, but Marquez decided to YoYo his lap times to keep a gap between Lorenzo and Rossi, once achieved he put the hammer down with a 'miracle' last lap! A disgraceful tactic to manipulate the championship outcome!

So! Rossi so enraged he decides to make it clear in the press conference, then it's all 'mind games' according to most press. Rossi is obviously really worried about being cheated out of a 10th title and rightfully so after so much hard work! So wants the spotlight on Marquez to diffuse another dirty game before it happens! Marquez clearly upset for being found out decides to do it even worse in Sepang knowing unless any rules are broken he's ok to proceed with it. As Michael Laverty said, the unwritten rule is not to mess with title contenders races, not by any means does that mean 'move over' it just means race for your best result but don't get overly aggressive around riders with so much at stake. Marquez ignores all etiquette and winds Rossi up to breaking point as he sees Lorenzo disappear again for the 2nd time, so here we are now with Rossi's chances shot! I don't agree with what Rossi did, but in the circumstances I understand it, and if he hadn't a nasty crash was inevitable!!

For me new rules need to be put in place for ex-racers or experts to analyse lap to lap data and cross reference with other identical bikes to see a rider is playing fair or playing 'dirty'. For me if something doesn't happen this is the start of something really really bad in a sport so so great!

Sportsmanship has to prevail or you'll possibly not get a worthy champion in many cases in the future, which no one wants to see! For me if Lorenzo wins the title it will be forever tainted although he may have beaten Rossi on a level playing field. Now we'll never know! As for Marquez, I think he's done himself irreparable damage, Rossi has and always will be the golden boy of MotoGP, his wrong doing in Sepang will be forgotten by many. This whole situation started from Marquez calling Rossi a cheat in Assen!!!

No way are you unbiased. Hard to think of anyone who is, certainly not me.

I long for the days of 20 new designer kitchen and viagra threads a week again.

I agree with all what you saying. A very good and supported opinion.

Arrabbiata1 said:

I long for the days of 20 new designer kitchen and viagra threads a week again.

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Hahaha f*cking class

I got an email today from Willski Finance. Are they trustworthy?

I can already see there's some right legends on this forum, congrats!

Harryjones05 said:

I can already see there's some right legends on this forum, congrats!

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Perhaps you could try something beyond posting your unsupported opinions, which are apparently true because you are by your own assessment unbiased unlike everyone else who has an opinion on this matter, which is at the very least on any assessment controversial.

You also appear to want to turn the sport into synchronised swimming, with judges rather than results on the track determining outcomes, although even in synchronised swimming I don't think they judge the moral purity of competitors during their routines, or not directly anyway.

Thanks for this enlightening post. I'm pretty sure nobody has said all of that before, but now that you have I'm sure that everyone who feels Rossi is in the wrong will change their mind, sign the petition, cancel their MotoGP subscription, buy a yellow 46 sticker, and side with all the Rossi fans.

Dude, just bad timing... Since Sunday there have been 50 new folks to the forum and 48 of the posted your exact post. I just think everyone is running out of steam.

Of course, Jum will be by at some point, and I am sure he will weigh in.

Regardless, welcome...

Oh... And Rossi was wrong, race direction was correct... See you in two Sunday's. (Cliff note version)

I don't care if people think they own the forum because they've been here longer, my post was more informative than hundreds I've read! If people can't see marquez has played a game and manipulated outcomes then they're pretty clueless, to me sport isn't a sport when it reaches that point!!!

Harryjones05 said:

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For me new rules need to be put in place for ex-racers or experts to analyse lap to lap data and cross reference with other identical bikes to see a rider is playing fair or playing 'dirty'. !!

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Where are you going to find identical riders with identical riding styles with identical set ups. You are not unbiased, quit playing like you are. Rossi will be gone sooner or later, and the dirty politics will virtually disappear, hopefully with the large segment of his fan base who know nothing about the sport, but can tell you anything you want to know about Rossi himself down to his dogs name.

povol said:

Where are you going to find identical riders with identical riding styles with identical set ups. You are not unbiased, quit playing like you are. Rossi will be gone sooner or later, and the dirty politics will virtually disappear, hopefully with the large segment of his fan base who know nothing about the sport, but can tell you anything you want to know about Rossi himself down to his dogs name.

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I'm fully aware of that, but the yoyo graph of Marquez's laps at Phillip Isalnd clearly shows he was dicking around, not even an expert is needed to see that!

When Rossi finishes the sport will be worse for it, I hope he continues as long as he can. I love it when people point out the obvious to me, cheers for your input.

povol said:

Where are you going to find identical riders with identical riding styles with identical set ups. You are not unbiased, quit playing like you are. Rossi will be gone sooner or later, and the dirty politics will virtually disappear, hopefully with the large segment of his fan base who know nothing about the sport, but can tell you anything you want to know about Rossi himself down to his dogs name.

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Hahahaha! Just like they virtually don't exist, and never have existed, in race series where Rossi doesn't compete

Harryjones05 said:

I don't care if people think they own the forum because they've been here longer, my post was more informative than hundreds I've read! If people can't see marquez has played a game and manipulated outcomes then they're pretty clueless, to me sport isn't a sport when it reaches that point!!!

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No it really wasn't. Everyone has posted exactly what you posted or some reasonable facsimile in one of the many threads on this topic that won't die.

Harryjones05 said:

I don't care if people think they own the forum because they've been here longer, my post was more informative than hundreds I've read! If people can't see marquez has played a game and manipulated outcomes then they're pretty clueless, to me sport isn't a sport when it reaches that point!!!

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In your opinion your opinion was informative.

Rossi approaching riders like Dani Pedrosa, who in no way can be accused of trying to favour Lorenzo, not to race him is not an attempt to manipulate outcomes? And lap times are in no way influenced by a multi-rider stoush? One of the true things Jumkie has said is that no-one saw anything untoward about the PI race before Valentino's ouburst last Thursday,including very ardent Rossi fans, some of whom were hoping for/calling for MM to hold up Lorenzo prior to the Sepang race to help Rossi out. I have watched the sport for 29 years, and followed other motorsports for even longer although GP bike racing eventually became my passion, and was not aware of this so-called unwritten rule before last week, and numerous riders and ex-riders, many far more accomplished than Laverty, and perhaps including his brother, don't seem to have been aware of it either.

I think MM can be justifiably criticised for how he has ridden in many previous races, but in my opinion (that word again) he seemed genuinely bewildered in regard to Rossi's comments regarding PI, a race he actually won if you recall, which is his job description.

michaelm said:

In your opinion your opinion was informative.

Rossi approaching riders like Dani Pedrosa, who in no way can be accused of trying to favour Lorenzo, not to race him is not an attempt to manipulate outcomes? And lap times are in no way influenced by a multi-rider stoush? One of the true things Jumkie has said is that no-one saw anything untoward about the PI race before Valentino's ouburst last Thursday,including very ardent Rossi fans, some of whom were hoping for/calling for MM to hold up Lorenzo prior to the Sepang race to help Rossi out. I have watched the sport for 29 years, and followed other motorsports for even longer although GP bike racing eventually became my passion, and was not aware of this so-called unwritten rule before last week, and numerous riders and ex-riders, many far more accomplished than Laverty, and perhaps including his brother, don't seem to have been aware of it either.

I think MM can be justifiably criticised for how he has ridden in many previous races, but in my opinion (that word again) he seemed genuinely bewildered in regard to Rossi's comments regarding PI, a race he actually won if you recall, which is his job description.

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What you Rossi haters fail to see is Rossi has nothing but praise for Pedrosa after their battle in Aragon, and said that is Motogp at it's best, but I want revenge in Japan(jokingly)!! And the reason is Rossi knew Pedrosa fought his hardest for the best position, in no way did he .... about with quick slow quick slow laps....Pedrosa is a genuine good hard racer!!!

Also I did think PI was fishy, I called it after Marquez's ''miracle'' last lap, only when I watched it back I thought yeah seems strange, especially when Ianonne cruised past Marquez up the inside with ease, as Ianonne also said himself! Sorry but it has to be said, Marquez is a sore losing little c*nt and he's been found out!!!

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What you Rossi haters fail to see is Rossi has nothing but praise for Pedrosa after their battle in Aragon, and said that is Motogp at it's best, but I want revenge in Japan(jokingly)!! And the reason is Rossi knew Pedrosa fought his hardest for the best position, in no way did he .... about with quick slow quick slow laps....Pedrosa is a genuine good hard racer!!!

Also I did think PI was fishy, I called it after Marquez's ''miracle'' last lap, only when I watched it back I thought yeah seems strange, especially when Ianonne cruised past Marquez up the inside with ease, as Ianonne also said himself! Sorry but it has to be said, Marquez is a sore losing little c*nt and he's been found out!!!

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I am a Lorenzo fan, and want him to win his 5th title just as you want Rossi to win his 10th. Rossi calling for other riders not to contest him when he has his lead partly because the same riders have contested Lorenzo as hard as they can all season annoys me just as much as MM supposedly attempting to influence the championship annoys you.

michaelm said:

I am a Lorenzo fan, and want him to win his 5th title just as you want Rossi to win his 10th. Rossi calling for other riders not to contest him when he has his lead partly because the same riders have contested Lorenzo as hard as they can all season annoys me just as much as MM supposedly attempting to influence the championship annoys you.

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Shows how much you know saying Rossi calling riders to not contest him! What a pathetic argument! If Marquez genuinely contested from start to finish Rossi would happily mix it with whoever is around him! Rossi only is only asking for a fair race where everyone fights for their best positions!!! He praised Pedrosa in Aragon and he praised Ianonne in P.I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His problem with Marquez is him ....... around with race pace and manipulating Rossi's pace. It's wrong and it's shocking, I hope Marquez has a really big crash sometime soon and is out of action, he's wild, dangerous and gives zero ..... for anyone else. Riders used to moan about Super Sic being aggressive, Marquez is wildly beyond that, he will have a big one soon and I look forward to it!!!

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Shows how much you know saying Rossi calling riders to not contest him! What a pathetic argument! If Marquez genuinely contested from start to finish Rossi would happily mix it with whoever is around him! Rossi only is only asking for a fair race where everyone fights for their best positions!!! He praised Pedrosa in Aragon and he praised Ianonne in P.I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His problem with Marquez is him ....... around with race pace and manipulating Rossi's pace. It's wrong and it's shocking, I hope Marquez has a really big crash sometime soon and is out of action, he's wild, dangerous and gives zero ..... for anyone else. Riders used to moan about Super Sic being aggressive, Marquez is wildly beyond that, he will have a big one soon and I look forward to it!!!

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As with Evolution, there is no point arguing with you, you make such a convincing case against yourself.

So your speculation concerning PI (or Valentino's for that matter) is by definition correct, because it is yours, but other speculation can be dismissed out of hand. There are reports (from Kropotkin for one, who having been accused of bias both in favour and against all of the riders who have seriously contended since he started his blog may be less biased than either you or me) that Rossi approached Pedrosa to question him as to why he had raced so hard to beat him at Aragon.

I have never heard anything more ridiculous than this nonsense about the rider who won a race manipulating the result of the race, particularly since he beat both Lorenzo and Rossi in doing so.

As MM said after Rossi's diatribe about PI, the rider he needs to beat is Lorenzo, not him. He was ahead of Lorenzo in the Sepang race and should have stayed there if that was what was needed and he was capable of doing so. If the only way he can beat Jorge is to hope he wears out his tyres and then catch him at the end, and having to race other riders impedes this strategy, that is his deficiency and his problem, just as not being able to match Valentino in the unusual number of wet races this year is Jorge's problem alone, and not "bad luck", imo.