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Jack is an Aussie - would be more likely to say 'you are a total ....... ...... arent you', and imaging the carry on if he said that lol
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Well I stand corrected then.
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Flipping heck 22, I posted twice about it and it takes the lovely Libby to confirm it before you believe me.
Don’t you trust the word of a bloke? [emoji1]
Seriously though the garage was largely empty as I think most of the crew were celebrating at the podium ceremony, but Hodgson seemed to have unrestricted access to Dovi’s spare bike.
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Honestly? Yes I saw your message but forgot about it by the time I got to replay this morning.
Many apologies my humble lord, I bow down to your insight
I was kidding you daft sod.
Did you leave your sense of humour in the uk?[emoji1]
Not turning into a miserable yank like jum are you? [emoji1]
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Speaking of fake ... Hodgsonofabitch, Gaz, can you find me a streamable of Jorge Lorenzo's fake almost crash?
I'd like to caption it with this fake ... quote:
"I pushed hard but in the last few laps I was in a bit of crisis with the tyres, especially the front, and had a few scary moments in some corners. It wasn’t the right time to do anything stupid and when I almost crashed at Turn 15 and Andrea passed me I realized that I wasn’t going to be able to fight for the win."
"In this weekend Andrea has always been faster and I’m pleased for the team for this first 1-2 win of the season, because it means we’re working really well.” Jorge Pinocchio
Brilliant as usual Bird.
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Davide Tardozzi reveals Ducati spoke to both its riders “about what can happen”; “It was obvious Jorge thought about the factory, team and Ducati.”
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Ducati spoke to both Andrea Dovizioso and Jorge Lorenzo ahead of the crucial Malaysian MotoGP bow to try and ensure the Italian’s title chances remained open until Valencia, team boss Davide Tardozzi has revealed.
Tardozzi said he was delighted with the attitude of both of his riders during – and after – the conversation, and felt it was clear that Lorenzo rode the 20-lap race in Malaysia with “the factory, the team and Ducati” in mind.
It was a day in which the Bologna factory clinched its first one-two of the season, with Dovizioso’s win setting up a tense title decided at the Ricardo Tormo Circuit in mid-November.
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Ducati spoke to both Andrea Dovizioso and Jorge Lorenzo ahead of the crucial Malaysian MotoGP bow to try and ensure the Italian’s title chances remained open until Valencia, team boss Davide Tardozzi has revealed.
Tardozzi said he was delighted with the attitude of both of his riders during – and after – the conversation, and felt it was clear that Lorenzo rode the 20-lap race in Malaysia with “the factory, the team and Ducati” in mind.
It was a day in which the Bologna factory clinched its first one-two of the season, with Dovizioso’s win setting up a tense title decided at the Ricardo Tormo Circuit in mid-November.
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Pedrosa took pole in 100 degree dry conditions, race was wet . Next
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Lorenzo enjoyed a spell out front after passing early leader Johann Zarco on the ninth lap, but soon received a dashboard message - 'Suggested Mapping 8' - that the team later admitted was a coded instruction to let Dovizioso through
Lorenzo said he only realised he had been ordered to let Dovizioso go once he was reuinted with this crew in parc ferme, but insisted he was aware of the points situation and did not need specifically telling to allow Dovizioso to take the win.
"Honestly, I didn't see anything," said Lorenzo when asked directly what the message meant.
Lorenzo said he only realised he had been ordered to let Dovizioso go once he was reuinted with this crew in parc ferme, but insisted he was aware of the points situation and did not need specifically telling to allow Dovizioso to take the win.
"Honestly, I didn't see anything," said Lorenzo when asked directly what the message meant.
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What next Pov, you're gonna tell us water is wet? In the words of 33Coupe, "Nobody is arguing team orders genius."
Normally when one says something untenable, it's best to concede, second best is to stay quite, for all the times you preached taking responsibility and owning up and not being a fruitcake flake or whatever the new code words, you're doing the typical thing a person does when they've stuck foot in mouth, refuse to give in on a lost arguement. Given JP is liking your post, I'll include him in my reply.
I don't believe you missed the message from me citing 'pole man' Pedrosa moving over for Marc, .... I even spelled out tge sarcasm. Therefore, you're pointing out the conditions trying to be clever, as I I wasn't aware only illustrates your clutching at straws. I mocked the notion of Pedrosa's pole in regards to Marc and your brilliant response is to point out the difference in conditions thinking it was clever? No .... bro, hence why I mocked the notion of pole man Pedrosa moving over for Marc. How on earth did you think it was a gotcha "next" moment?
Here's what's even more crazy, you point out the dry condition in qual (as if we weren't all already aware) yet have no problem guaranteeing us wins in the RAIN? This makes sense in your mind and those thinking your post was clever? Pov, you point out the difference qual conditions, yet you made the ridiculous call that Lorenzo pulled over on an almost crash that left considerable knee slider on the surface. Let me spell it out for you guys, it IS more absurd to claim Lorenzo pulled over nearly going on the deck in the RAIN as it is to make guaranteed conclusions from Pedrosa's pole position in the dry. It's fascinating that you think you made some clever point about Pedrosa's pole conditions whilst simultaneously guaranteeing wins in the RAIN. Maybe it was raining only on Lorenzo during qualifying? Newsflash, the conditions were the same for Pedrosa and Lorenzo during qualifying.
I don't mean to dazzle you with words Pov, my friend, but you and those liking your ridiculous takes ...... up on this one.
Which is more ridiculous Pov/JP? Pointing out Pedrosa's qualifying in regards to team orders (a point I mocked directed at both of you, with obvious sarcasm, even spelling it out for you by saying "no, that doesn't sound ridiculous".) Or, declaring Lorenzo pulled over on a near crash, 6 laps to go, in the RAIN?
But you Pov doubled down, declaring Lorenzo gave up a guaranteed win!
Nobody is disputing team orders Pov, so you posting a quote by Tardozzi admitting team orders is simply trying to change the argument 'again'. But you have to try and change the point of dispute because you can not advance your untenable position, that being, Lorenzo pulled over from a guaranteed win. I still can't believe you Pov, a man of your insight into races, would say such a laughable thing.
Look below Pov, I posted we already established Ducati had team orders, that's not the dispute. The question is, did team orders mean jack .... when Dovi won outright? Did Honda team orders mean jack .... for Marc? The answer is no. It's like Honda having team orders with Pedrosa or any other rider down to Tito Robot, uhm hey Tito, don't pass Marc. Uhm, ok. Newsflash Pov, that's a moot point!
Lorenzo almost crashed, he admitted it, he also admitted he couldn't keep pace with Dovi, and he gave you a reason, tire crisis, and as far as team orders to pull over, he was unaware of the message, which again is a moot point. As moot as other Honda riders letting Marc have 4th.
Here is my previous quote, pay special attention to the sentence where I make you aware Ducati team orders were not a secret. Are you going to find another Tardozzi quote to tell us Ducati had team orders now?
Who was riding the GP17, Tardozzi or Lorenzo?
Lorenzo said he had a "crisis with tires", "especially the front", and "almost crashed" and confirmed "Dovi was faster all weekend." But that's not enough for you because as you say, he pulled over from a guaranteed win. You bring up team orders as if this is relevant, except Lorenzo said he was unaware of any coded message until he returned to parc ferme.
Povol: "look, they had team orders" yeah, we knew that already buddy, now try to argue what we're actually disputing rather than repeating the same old irrelevant point my friend.
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Normally when one says something untenable, it's best to concede, second best is to stay quite, for all the times you preached taking responsibility and owning up and not being a fruitcake flake or whatever the new code words, you're doing the typical thing a person does when they've stuck foot in mouth, refuse to give in on a lost arguement. Given JP is liking your post, I'll include him in my reply.
I don't believe you missed the message from me citing 'pole man' Pedrosa moving over for Marc, .... I even spelled out tge sarcasm. Therefore, you're pointing out the conditions trying to be clever, as I I wasn't aware only illustrates your clutching at straws. I mocked the notion of Pedrosa's pole in regards to Marc and your brilliant response is to point out the difference in conditions thinking it was clever? No .... bro, hence why I mocked the notion of pole man Pedrosa moving over for Marc. How on earth did you think it was a gotcha "next" moment?
Here's what's even more crazy, you point out the dry condition in qual (as if we weren't all already aware) yet have no problem guaranteeing us wins in the RAIN? This makes sense in your mind and those thinking your post was clever? Pov, you point out the difference qual conditions, yet you made the ridiculous call that Lorenzo pulled over on an almost crash that left considerable knee slider on the surface. Let me spell it out for you guys, it IS more absurd to claim Lorenzo pulled over nearly going on the deck in the RAIN as it is to make guaranteed conclusions from Pedrosa's pole position in the dry. It's fascinating that you think you made some clever point about Pedrosa's pole conditions whilst simultaneously guaranteeing wins in the RAIN. Maybe it was raining only on Lorenzo during qualifying? Newsflash, the conditions were the same for Pedrosa and Lorenzo during qualifying.
I don't mean to dazzle you with words Pov, my friend, but you and those liking your ridiculous takes ...... up on this one.
Which is more ridiculous Pov/JP? Pointing out Pedrosa's qualifying in regards to team orders (a point I mocked directed at both of you, with obvious sarcasm, even spelling it out for you by saying "no, that doesn't sound ridiculous".) Or, declaring Lorenzo pulled over on a near crash, 6 laps to go, in the RAIN?
But you Pov doubled down, declaring Lorenzo gave up a guaranteed win!
Nobody is disputing team orders Pov, so you posting a quote by Tardozzi admitting team orders is simply trying to change the argument 'again'. But you have to try and change the point of dispute because you can not advance your untenable position, that being, Lorenzo pulled over from a guaranteed win. I still can't believe you Pov, a man of your insight into races, would say such a laughable thing.
Look below Pov, I posted we already established Ducati had team orders, that's not the dispute. The question is, did team orders mean jack .... when Dovi won outright? Did Honda team orders mean jack .... for Marc? The answer is no. It's like Honda having team orders with Pedrosa or any other rider down to Tito Robot, uhm hey Tito, don't pass Marc. Uhm, ok. Newsflash Pov, that's a moot point!
Lorenzo almost crashed, he admitted it, he also admitted he couldn't keep pace with Dovi, and he gave you a reason, tire crisis, and as far as team orders to pull over, he was unaware of the message, which again is a moot point. As moot as other Honda riders letting Marc have 4th.
Here is my previous quote, pay special attention to the sentence where I make you aware Ducati team orders were not a secret. Are you going to find another Tardozzi quote to tell us Ducati had team orders now?
Who was riding the GP17, Tardozzi or Lorenzo?
Lorenzo said he had a "crisis with tires", "especially the front", and "almost crashed" and confirmed "Dovi was faster all weekend." But that's not enough for you because as you say, he pulled over from a guaranteed win. You bring up team orders as if this is relevant, except Lorenzo said he was unaware of any coded message until he returned to parc ferme.
Povol: "look, they had team orders" yeah, we knew that already buddy, now try to argue what we're actually disputing rather than repeating the same old irrelevant point my friend.
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Ah, you got me, that's real "clever" of you buddy. If only someone had already made this point...
HONDA TEAM ORDERS!
Ok,let me declare now: Marc's 4th position was a gift of Honda team orders, to extend the championship to Valencia; Pedrosa chose to slow down from his pole position and let Marc past. Pole man Pedrosa was "guaranteed" his FIRST wet win of the season against his teammate Marc who's MO was to best Dani all year, notwithstanding, this was the exception...the "proof": Pedrosa sat on pole position. The precedent: Pedrosa has helped a teammate get by before, which in fact Pedrosa did at Malaysia.
No, that doesn't sound ridiculous.
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Pov, what do you suppose is the message of that last bit with the smirk face?
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What's fascinating is you point out the futility of making a projection of performance from dry condition to wet, yet here you are, declaring a guaranteed win in wet conditions. No, that's not contradictory. (Sarcasm)
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Chill bro, your going to hurt your finger. I'm not sure what you are looking for, maybe for Lorenzo to contact you in person to explain what went down. You act as if Lorenzo letting Dovi by somehow cheapens his season, I certainly don't think that, it was the right thing to do, it's a team sport
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Hahaha Pov, in the indomitable words of Ham Porter, "You're killing me smalls."
Well then, what do you want? Pedrosa to call you from his yacht at tell you personally he let Marc have 4th after setting pole? You act as if Pedro letting Marc by cheapens his season, as you refuse to acknowledge it. I certainly don't think that, it was right in 06, still all right in 2017. Pedrosa is a team player to gift the position to Marc. It's like you say, a team sport.
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