KTM Debut at Valencia

povol · Nov 1, 2016

Im really intrigued as to what KTM is going to offer up. After watching some snippets here and there, it seems like this is a serious bid to jump into GP feet first. There R&D facility is top notch and they have some pretty sharp cookies working on the project. I hope they are somewhat competitive out of the box , it would be great to see 2 more viable options for the top riders when contracts come due in 2019.

AJV80 · Nov 1, 2016

I'm looking forward to seeing the Valencia test more than I am the race actually.

New KTM and so many riders swapping seats should make it really interesting.

p4p1 · Nov 1, 2016

Im excited about this as well. Truthfully I think they can come up with a better package within the next 2 years than Ducati, Suzuki and Aprilia. They will need new riders to really challenge though. Espargaro and Smith will IMO be KTMs weak point by 2019. Stoner is still contracted to Red Bull...,

AJV80 · Nov 1, 2016

p4p1 said:
Im excited about this as well. Truthfully I think they can come up with a better package within the next 2 years than Ducati, Suzuki and Aprilia. They will need new riders to really challenge though. Espargaro and Smith will IMO be KTMs weak point by 2019. Stoner is still contracted to Red Bull...,

I'm still a bit dubious of the steel frame KTM are running, Ducati never worked it out and I'm sure it wasn't from a lack of trying. The KTM moto2 bike with steel frame didn't have as much success as the Kalex, Suter or even Speed Up framed bikes either from I can tell. Their RC8 superbike also never really had huge amounts of success in any of the racing classes it was used in.

No doubt KTM are going to give it a great go though and it will be interesting to see.

p4p1 · Nov 1, 2016

AJV80 said:
I'm still a bit dubious of the steel frame KTM are running, Ducati never worked it out and I'm sure it wasn't from a lack of trying. The KTM moto2 bike with steel frame didn't have as much success as the Kalex, Suter or even Speed Up framed bikes either from I can tell. Their RC8 superbike also never really had huge amounts of success in any of the racing classes it was used in.

No doubt KTM are going to give it a great go though and it will be interesting to see.

I disagree, Ducati went from winning on a trellis frame to being nowhere on a twin beam until this year. They're moto3 bike is a trellis frame and is doing pretty well.

AJV80 · Nov 1, 2016

p4p1 said:
I disagree, Ducati went from winning on a trellis frame to being nowhere on a twin beam until this year. They're moto3 bike is a trellis frame and is doing pretty well.

You are right in Ducati winning a championship on a steel framed bike but i have never put down them winning being because they had a steel framed bike and the others didn't.

When you take Stoners performances out of the equation the bike of the last 2 or 3 years now has been getting better results, not massive but defiantly trending upwards. The fact they won a championship on a steel framed bike and still decided to go away from it tells me something. No real science behind this statement but Ive always figured if the steel frames where better then why isn't everyone using them?

The steel framed bikes in Moto3 have been great, but they haven't been able to get the same success with their Moto2 bike which i would argue would be more similar to what the MotoGP frame would be like in comparison to the Moto3.

p4p1 · Nov 1, 2016

AJV80 said:
You are right in Ducati winning a championship on a steel framed bike but i have never put down them winning being because they had a steel framed bike and the others didn't.

When you take Stoners performances out of the equation the bike of the last 2 or 3 years now has been getting better results, not massive but defiantly trending upwards. The fact they won a championship on a steel framed bike and still decided to go away from it tells me something. No real science behind this statement but Ive always figured if the steel frames where better then why isn't everyone using them?

The steel framed bikes in Moto3 have been great, but they haven't been able to get the same success with their Moto2 bike which i would argue would be more similar to what the MotoGP frame would be like in comparison to the Moto3.

Well there's only one reason why went away from it and it's name is Valentino Rossi. Ducati gave up enormous amounts of their factory and racing DNA for racing. But yes I'm sure if there was an advantage to the steel frame everyone would be using it. The bike certainly got worse when they changed to the carbon fibre from memory but Capirossi and Bayless also won on the steel frame Ducati.

AJV80 · Nov 1, 2016

p4p1 said:
Well there's only one reason why went away from it and it's name is Valentino Rossi. Ducati gave up enormous amounts of their factory and racing DNA for racing. But yes I'm sure if there was an advantage to the steel frame everyone would be using it. The bike certainly got worse when they changed to the carbon fibre from memory but Capirossi and Bayless also won on the steel frame Ducati.

They actually went away from the steel frame while Stoner was riding with them and switched to a carbon frame in 2009 i think. The carbon frame didn't really give them much success either over the steel frame.

But yes, they switched from the carbon frame to the aluminium frame due to Rossi and Burgess but in all honesty it was probably the best thing they have done. A few years of development later and the bike is getting better results without needing alien type rider like Stoner.

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