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The Red Bull Ring in Spielberg, venue for the Austrian round of MotoGP, appears to be a Ducati track. At the end of the first day of testing for the MotoGP riders in Austria, Andrea Dovizioso topped the timesheets, nearly six tenths clear of his Factory Ducati teammate Andrea Iannone.
Scott Redding set the third fastest time of the day, just ahead of official test rider, Casey Stoner. There is persistent paddock gossip that Stoner is using this test to gauge his competitiveness, with a view to racing as a wildcard at the Austrian Grand Prix. Given Stoner's long association with Red Bull, and the fact that nobody has raced at the Red Bull Ring (except for Valentino Rossi, who raced a 125 there in 1996 and 1997, and Jack Miller, who raced a 125 there in 2011 in the German IDM championship), it gives him the best chance of being competitive.
Maverick Viñales was the first non-Ducati in fifth place, but he was squeezed in between three more Ducatis, with Hector Barbera, Eugene Laverty and Danilo Petrucci taking slots six through nine. Valentino Rossi was the fastest Yamaha, nearly 1.3 seconds slower than Dovizioso, while his teammate Jorge Lorenzo was just over a tenth slower than Rossi.
The Red Bull Ring was the first time the KTM was on track with the other MotoGP machines. Test rider Mika Kallio was the fastest of the KTMs, 2.292 slower than Dovizioso. By comparison, when Randy De Puniet rode the Suzuki MotoGP bike with the other MotoGP bikes at the Barcelona test in 2014, he was 2.5 seconds off the pace. By that measure, the KTM looks a little more competitive than the Suzuki was at the same stage.
Aprilia were also present at the test, but as they had no transponders fitted, we have no idea of their lap times. The Repsol Honda riders and the Tech 3 Yamaha riders are not attending the test. Persistent paddock rumor suggests that Ducati, who are organizing the test, vetoed Repsol Honda's participation, as a reprisal for Honda's role in banning wings in MotoGP. The Tech 3 riders are otherwise engaged, with Pol Espargaro heading to Japan to take part in the Suzuka 8 Hour race again this year.
From Kevin Cameron:
If you Google “KTM MotoGP bike,” you’ll quickly learn this new KTM has a 90-degree V-4 (hear the sound in the videos) and a steel-tube chassis with graceful bottom-braced aluminum swingarm. Everybody’s bottom-bracing these days because the rear shock and linkage have to move down to make room for an extension of the fuel tank under the seat. The front 60 percent of the RC16’s “tank” is a black carbon cover over the engine’s sealed intake airbox, fed through a generous-sized oval hole in the chin of the fairing. The rear part of the tank looks very Honda-like because its upper part, containing the far-back filler cap, is just a “conning-tower” that nicely fills the space between the airbox and the rider. Most of the fuel is lower down, closer to the machine/rider center of mass.
With every passing year, race bike designers have less and less to do, as once pointed out by Ducati’s distinguished former race engineer, Filippo Preziosi. Bore is limited to 81mm so that is the commonly chosen number, with a 48.5mm stroke. If you’re making a V-4, might as well choose the 90-degree cylinder angle that can make the engine self-balancing without a shaker shaft. One Akrapovic exhaust exits from the seat tail, one from under the rider’s right foot, which says “V4” quite clearly. Fuel quantity will be whatever Dorna allows in 2017—maybe 22 liters, but subject to change without notice. Wheelbase, rake, and trail are pretty uniform among the brands, and everyone works hard to make the swingarm as long as possible.
All these experienced companies know how to make power; the hard part these days is delivering it in a form that can be civilized with present electronic aids. The more power you make, the more ‘brutal’ (rough edged) it becomes, and the harder the bike becomes to ride (Ask Marc Marquez). Remember what Loris Capirossi said about one of his post-Ducati MotoGP rides: “This bike (a Suzuki), if you switch off the electronics, is unrideable. Worse than a 500.”
When you watch the video and listen to KTM’s engine pull away from a slow corner, you can hear just a trace of an occasional burble, which suggests the engine isn’t yet reaching for the last inch-ounce of torque. Historically, when teams decide they need more power, they extend valve overlap a bit, and you can usually hear this as a degree of gargling off the bottom. It’s a sure bet that another KTM has been thoroughly flogged on the dyno, hour after hour, to discover all the embarrassing stuff nobody wants to learn on the track—cracking of major castings, dark streaks on connecting rod bearing shells, instability in cam drives, oil accumulating in forbidden place(s). KTM, in its press release, emphasizes that this project is in-house. No Ilmor, no Cosworth, no “ghostwriters” mentioned. Full local control.
How much power? Estimating a 16,000 rpm power peak (and assuming Dorna boss Carmele Ezpeleta doesn’t have a brainstorm as to how sell Honda on a restrictive Moto3-like rev limit before 2017), power will be in the vicinity of 240 to 245 hp. Photos show the entire opening in the fairing is filled top-to-bottom with radiator surface (with its middle taped for this test in cool conditions). But power (unless you don’t have the usual amount) has become irrelevant. Races are won by the total system (engine, suitably flexible chassis, rider, electronics) that exists to keep tires in best-possible condition, start-to-finish.
Very significantly, both sides and the nose of the RC16’s fairing are covered with the Red Bull message, and the three days of testing (“very many laps”) just completed took place at Austria’s Red Bull Ring track. Test rider was Alex Hoffmann, a veteran, and Mika Kallio has been signed for further testing this year.
KTM’s press release contained the usual expressions—“optimistic,” “positive,” “instructive,” “went smoothly according to plan.” When I phoned KTM North America to whinge for more details, I was told there were no more: “That’s just a tease they sent out.”
It is said that in 2017 KTM will also offer a customer version of this RC16 for track-day use. Price: 140,000 euros. That’s about $154,000.
We won't know the real state of the KTM until the beginning of next year, however, once Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro have got some miles under their belt on the bike. At Assen, one KTM engineer described the bike as being "ready to be given to a Grand Prix rider." At the moment, they must make do with test rider Kallio and Moto2 rider Tom Luthi.
So far, the Red Bull Ring looks like being very much a Ducati track. Given that it is basically a series of longish straights connected with a few corners, that would make sense, the track playing very much into the Ducati's strength: horsepower and acceleration. Given that the KTM is rumored to make a lot of horsepower, that may also be a factor in the performance of the Austrian machines.
BTW - Kalio is confirmed for a wildcard at Spielberg. And strong rumors persist that Stoner is champing at the bit for a chance
to do a wildcard there as well as he's never raced there.
The Red Bull Ring in Spielberg, venue for the Austrian round of MotoGP, appears to be a Ducati track. At the end of the first day of testing for the MotoGP riders in Austria, Andrea Dovizioso topped the timesheets, nearly six tenths clear of his Factory Ducati teammate Andrea Iannone.
Scott Redding set the third fastest time of the day, just ahead of official test rider, Casey Stoner. There is persistent paddock gossip that Stoner is using this test to gauge his competitiveness, with a view to racing as a wildcard at the Austrian Grand Prix. Given Stoner's long association with Red Bull, and the fact that nobody has raced at the Red Bull Ring (except for Valentino Rossi, who raced a 125 there in 1996 and 1997, and Jack Miller, who raced a 125 there in 2011 in the German IDM championship), it gives him the best chance of being competitive.
Maverick Viñales was the first non-Ducati in fifth place, but he was squeezed in between three more Ducatis, with Hector Barbera, Eugene Laverty and Danilo Petrucci taking slots six through nine. Valentino Rossi was the fastest Yamaha, nearly 1.3 seconds slower than Dovizioso, while his teammate Jorge Lorenzo was just over a tenth slower than Rossi.
The Red Bull Ring was the first time the KTM was on track with the other MotoGP machines. Test rider Mika Kallio was the fastest of the KTMs, 2.292 slower than Dovizioso. By comparison, when Randy De Puniet rode the Suzuki MotoGP bike with the other MotoGP bikes at the Barcelona test in 2014, he was 2.5 seconds off the pace. By that measure, the KTM looks a little more competitive than the Suzuki was at the same stage.
Aprilia were also present at the test, but as they had no transponders fitted, we have no idea of their lap times. The Repsol Honda riders and the Tech 3 Yamaha riders are not attending the test. Persistent paddock rumor suggests that Ducati, who are organizing the test, vetoed Repsol Honda's participation, as a reprisal for Honda's role in banning wings in MotoGP. The Tech 3 riders are otherwise engaged, with Pol Espargaro heading to Japan to take part in the Suzuka 8 Hour race again this year.
From Kevin Cameron:
If you Google “KTM MotoGP bike,” you’ll quickly learn this new KTM has a 90-degree V-4 (hear the sound in the videos) and a steel-tube chassis with graceful bottom-braced aluminum swingarm. Everybody’s bottom-bracing these days because the rear shock and linkage have to move down to make room for an extension of the fuel tank under the seat. The front 60 percent of the RC16’s “tank” is a black carbon cover over the engine’s sealed intake airbox, fed through a generous-sized oval hole in the chin of the fairing. The rear part of the tank looks very Honda-like because its upper part, containing the far-back filler cap, is just a “conning-tower” that nicely fills the space between the airbox and the rider. Most of the fuel is lower down, closer to the machine/rider center of mass.
With every passing year, race bike designers have less and less to do, as once pointed out by Ducati’s distinguished former race engineer, Filippo Preziosi. Bore is limited to 81mm so that is the commonly chosen number, with a 48.5mm stroke. If you’re making a V-4, might as well choose the 90-degree cylinder angle that can make the engine self-balancing without a shaker shaft. One Akrapovic exhaust exits from the seat tail, one from under the rider’s right foot, which says “V4” quite clearly. Fuel quantity will be whatever Dorna allows in 2017—maybe 22 liters, but subject to change without notice. Wheelbase, rake, and trail are pretty uniform among the brands, and everyone works hard to make the swingarm as long as possible.
All these experienced companies know how to make power; the hard part these days is delivering it in a form that can be civilized with present electronic aids. The more power you make, the more ‘brutal’ (rough edged) it becomes, and the harder the bike becomes to ride (Ask Marc Marquez). Remember what Loris Capirossi said about one of his post-Ducati MotoGP rides: “This bike (a Suzuki), if you switch off the electronics, is unrideable. Worse than a 500.”
When you watch the video and listen to KTM’s engine pull away from a slow corner, you can hear just a trace of an occasional burble, which suggests the engine isn’t yet reaching for the last inch-ounce of torque. Historically, when teams decide they need more power, they extend valve overlap a bit, and you can usually hear this as a degree of gargling off the bottom. It’s a sure bet that another KTM has been thoroughly flogged on the dyno, hour after hour, to discover all the embarrassing stuff nobody wants to learn on the track—cracking of major castings, dark streaks on connecting rod bearing shells, instability in cam drives, oil accumulating in forbidden place(s). KTM, in its press release, emphasizes that this project is in-house. No Ilmor, no Cosworth, no “ghostwriters” mentioned. Full local control.
How much power? Estimating a 16,000 rpm power peak (and assuming Dorna boss Carmele Ezpeleta doesn’t have a brainstorm as to how sell Honda on a restrictive Moto3-like rev limit before 2017), power will be in the vicinity of 240 to 245 hp. Photos show the entire opening in the fairing is filled top-to-bottom with radiator surface (with its middle taped for this test in cool conditions). But power (unless you don’t have the usual amount) has become irrelevant. Races are won by the total system (engine, suitably flexible chassis, rider, electronics) that exists to keep tires in best-possible condition, start-to-finish.
Very significantly, both sides and the nose of the RC16’s fairing are covered with the Red Bull message, and the three days of testing (“very many laps”) just completed took place at Austria’s Red Bull Ring track. Test rider was Alex Hoffmann, a veteran, and Mika Kallio has been signed for further testing this year.
KTM’s press release contained the usual expressions—“optimistic,” “positive,” “instructive,” “went smoothly according to plan.” When I phoned KTM North America to whinge for more details, I was told there were no more: “That’s just a tease they sent out.”
It is said that in 2017 KTM will also offer a customer version of this RC16 for track-day use. Price: 140,000 euros. That’s about $154,000.
We won't know the real state of the KTM until the beginning of next year, however, once Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro have got some miles under their belt on the bike. At Assen, one KTM engineer described the bike as being "ready to be given to a Grand Prix rider." At the moment, they must make do with test rider Kallio and Moto2 rider Tom Luthi.
So far, the Red Bull Ring looks like being very much a Ducati track. Given that it is basically a series of longish straights connected with a few corners, that would make sense, the track playing very much into the Ducati's strength: horsepower and acceleration. Given that the KTM is rumored to make a lot of horsepower, that may also be a factor in the performance of the Austrian machines.
BTW - Kalio is confirmed for a wildcard at Spielberg. And strong rumors persist that Stoner is champing at the bit for a chance
to do a wildcard there as well as he's never raced there.
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They were a good partnership in his 250 days.
