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Agree....

I also think you have been churning out some excellent posts lately too Levi.

Keep up the good work ;-)
 
Thanks Levi.

More importantly, thanks Kropo. It was an excelent levelheaded read to the end of the season. I'd be great if everyone stepped back every now and then and take a breath. Motorsport for the masses should be call to excitement, passions and competition. Not some ..... ... back yard name calling scrap fest.

When the second happens, it's when we all need to go to your local track. Kart, Bike, Car of Vespa race and inhale some 2stroke smoke. Watch what happens there. Cut thought kids trying to get to the front of the pack to the checkerd flag. No one ever helps anyone. Dog eat dog. It's bred into the racer and will never go away.
 
Very good write up. The fairest I've read so far. Actually thee only fair one I've read so far in a sea of gutless journalists, I have to give props to Kropo for having the balls here.

My two issues with it: (Unless I've read these wrong, which he can correct me if I did)

1. While debunking baseless allegations he makes two himself: "If he had not been suckered into battling with Márquez – clearly Márquez' plan, as revenge for Rossi's humiliation of him in the press conference..."

So according to the logic, Sepang was Marquez toying with Rossi as "revenge" to be fact. Well in that case, if Marc is guilty (just on his assessment) why try to even argue whether or not Marc had integrity thereafter? (Confused)

2. The attempt at debunking the rigged nature of GP. (While telling us Jlo is unlikable?): "If Dorna had their way, they would not choose to have Jorge Lorenzo – clearly the fastest man this year, and arguably one of the fastest riders ever to walk the earth, but not a lovable or even likable character in the slightest – win the championship."

So Lorenzo is not lovable or even likable? (Not sure if I'm reading this correct). Btw he said in his post Sepang write up too, something about Jlo being the oddest of the top 4. First of all, Lorenzo is both lovable and likable, and in fact the guy I respect and admire the most ONLY second to Nicky Hayden.

Second, the individual race results are not fixed (rigged) per se, the series is played on an absolute rigged playing field! Its as level as the sides of Mt Everest. Trying to advance the point that the series is authentic, by reasoning; if Dorna were rigging it, then Valentino would win every title, which they almost managed to do for a long time, EXCEPT they can't control everything ONLY give him exclusive advantages and HOPE that is enough. That is RIGGING! Not to mention the extraordinary lack of parity, something of a glaring reality when in just the last race a factory rider was able to reach 4th from last in just 6 laps of a 32 lap race. This the same guy who barely manage a top 10 while at Ducati. Rigged doesn't mean a particular result is fixed, it means the deck is stacked in such a way that a result is highly probable and overwhelmingly likely by design.

Other than that it was very good, especially compared to everything else on the subject, which to date I've seen only Rossi worship by supposed journalists. When I watched the post Valencia press conference, where Rossi goes full JFK/Area 51/ McCarthyist meltdown, the scariest part was the lack of journalists having the balls to call ........ on VR. I'm not sure if that was Krops voice, the first guy to ask him a question, but it was the only guy who attempted to get Rossi to reflect on his accusations. Except it buzzed over Rossi's head.

For me the best part of the article was Kropo bringing focus to the implications for the sport (something I've said for years) in reference to the astonishing exchange caught on tape where Rossi voices his paranoia to a sympathetic Ezpeleta and summons him to his private motorhome.

Well done Kropo.



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https://www.change.org/p/dorna-spor...pionship?source_location=petitions_share_skip
 
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Or Walter Mitty?

Krops: Excellent peice which I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Well done.
 
Not to mention the extraordinary lack of parity, something of a glaring reality when in just the last race a factory rider was able to reach 4th from last in just 6 laps of a 32 lap race.
There's a big problem with this argument. Your reasoning necessarily means that almost every championship in recent memory was rigged.

The lack of parity applies to almost any factory rider in history. Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson, Gardner, Lorenzo, Marquez - they all had bikes that were superior to satellite bikes (on a related note, I think it's worth commenting that the Valencia race showed how close Smith and Espargaro's M1s were in a straight line compared to Rossi's).

There are some exceptions - 2004 to 2006 is notable, when HRC gave all of the satellite teams factory (or close to factory) RC211Vs. But, generally, the MotoGP/500cc title has been fought between the factory teams.

Also, factory bikes are not randomly bestowed on riders. Factories choose riders based on their perceived ability to deliver results. Rossi (like Marquez, Lorenzo and Pedrosa) has shown, with his 9 championships (and unrivalled stats), that he justifies that factory ride.
 
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Also, Redding got a factory bike this yr and has struggled, after mainting all through 2014 that he'd be doing better than Bautista on the factory Honda.

Factory bike doesn't always mean success.
 
There's a big problem with this argument. Your reasoning necessarily means that almost every championship in recent memory was rigged.

The lack of parity applies to almost any factory rider in history. Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Lawson, Gardner, Lorenzo, Marquez - they all had bikes that were superior to satellite bikes (on a related note, I think it's worth commenting that the Valencia race showed how close Smith and Espargaro's M1s were in a straight line compared to Rossi's).

There are some exceptions - 2004 to 2006 is notable, when HRC gave all of the satellite teams factory (or close to factory) RC211Vs. But, generally, the MotoGP/500cc title has been fought between the factory teams.

Also, factory bikes are not randomly bestowed on riders. Factories choose riders based on their perceived ability to deliver results. Rossi (like Marquez, Lorenzo and Pedrosa) has shown, with his 9 championships (and unrivalled stats), that he justifies that factory ride.
Mostly agree, the best riders have usually ended up on the best rides, and Rossi was very obviously better than most, but his late career Ducati adventure did rather illustrate the pitfalls of even a great rider ending up on a bike somewhat removed from "best bike" status.

Imo the discrepancy between the real factory bikes and the rest is now as much or more than it has ever been, except perhaps when MV Augusta had no technologically equivalent competition, given the great cost of the pinnacle technology and the hordes of computer techs necessary to maintain/advance it.

At one time in Mick Doohan's pomp there were reputedly 5 riders with identical Hondas, and to Mick's chagrin Honda were wont to give his set-up to other riders as well. Garry McCoy also somehow won 3 premier class GP races on a satellite bike for a team so underfunded that the bike basically arrived at the circuit in the boot of a car as Arrab eloquently put it.
 
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Also, Redding got a factory bike this yr and has struggled, after mainting all through 2014 that he'd be doing better than Bautista on the factory Honda.

Factory bike doesn't always mean success.

Yes, for those who didn't get anywhere because of their talent and dedication (I'm cringing having to use these words in a redding context) but on passport alone the bike don't mean .....
Seriously , anybody disputing redding being utterly worthless doesn't know .... about gp.hes far from at least being the best rider of the isles.

The yam only looked THIS GOOD because 1 of the hrc riders had a ...... start /health and two others just don't deserve the bike. Lucky for them Marquez was a marquez earlier on or we'd be struggling hard to justify their presence on the grid.
What's the great accomplishment so far?almost beating pol (when he had a .... year) and sofuoglu (dito) ?
I'd love to see smith do better but ...., that was a ..... move in valencia .
Can you guys imagine hayden,rea or at least another top 10 world rider sucking so much. Golf ball through the garden hose without teeth stuff
 
Where have you been props?!

Anyway, I wasn't insinuating Redding is crap. I personally hope he kicks ... on the Ducati next year. My point being was even if you are talented, getting a 'better' bike doesn't guarantee results. I mean, hell, he did better on the open Honda!
 
No chance to take a dig at him I will leave unused :)

Well what was they're to say the past few days. I believe Lorenzo put in a performance to define him as a racer and man. Marquez could have only attacked in a marquez way but I can't blame him for riding sensible just for once.
Had he tried a torpedo on rossi?probably.
But that doesn't win a race,only make it more likely you take someone out
 
Also, Redding got a factory bike this yr and has struggled, after mainting all through 2014 that he'd be doing better than Bautista on the factory Honda.

Factory bike doesn't always mean success.

Yep. Same story for Bradl, etc.

Bautista did very well in 2013 on the Honda, it must be noted.
 

Krops even though I have disagreed with you on various things, sometimes vehemently, I will forever respect you for that piece you wrote in the aftermath of Valencia. That was a well-written, and incredibly well-stated piece. It was sorely needed since the coverage became as slanted as the Titanic as it sunk into the Atlantic. Thank you for that.
 
I'd say that's an insult to the Titanic...at least it stayed in one piece until the very end!
 

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