keepin the title or not

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 19 2007, 03:54 AM) [snapback]101411[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The Magneti system is probably the most advanced in the field.


Anyone who know what kind of inputs these systems have to work with?
Do they use an Angle sensor, G sensor....
They way the ducati TC is described it's tempting to think that an angle sensor limit Capirossis exit speed as he is the more traditional 250 -style rider with max lean angle over a longer part of the turn, while Stoner are able to get more power to the ground as soon as he has turned the bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Nov 18 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]101396[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he says the suzuki is his favorate bike and the duke just does the job like a presision tool.
it sounded like to me that with the suzuki its a challenge to ride and fun but the duke is different cos the electronics are taking to much feel away from the rider and i can bet thats why cappy didnt get on with it that well likes the suzuzki and is quicker onit.



Capi says the Ducati was a mean bike and that the Suzuki is friendly and easier to handle, so your theory is wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 19 2007, 10:56 PM) [snapback]101437[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Stoner are able to get more power to the ground as soon as he has turned the bike.


I think thats just a style thing .... I believe he was tutored to do this by Doohan some time ago.

Saves the side of the tyre and gets max acceleration out of corners.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 19 2007, 12:14 PM) [snapback]101439[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Capi says the Ducati was a mean bike and that the Suzuki is friendly and easier to handle, so your theory is wrong.


maybe maybe not but capi looks comfortable on the suzuki, but never on the gp7 it was like he struggled to turn it properly.

maybe capi preffers the suzuki because it gives more feel and leeway to the rider, he would rather use his skill then being smothered by the electronics (lol) , it just sounded like the guy was saying that the electronics play to much of a part on the duke.

but who knows.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Nov 20 2007, 06:11 AM) [snapback]101485[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
maybe maybe not but capi looks comfortable on the suzuki, but never on the gp7 it was like he struggled to turn it properly.

maybe capi preffers the suzuki because it gives more feel and leeway to the rider, he would rather use his skill then being smothered by the electronics (lol) , it just sounded like the guy was saying that the electronics play to much of a part on the duke.

but who knows.

So the Suzuki has more feel and the Ducati is an 'extreme bike'. I'd take that to mean the Ducati has a smaller 'working' range i.e. it's less forgiving and only works in one direction.

Doesn't less feel and leeway equal a more difficult ride? I wouldn't imagine that Chris V has the high speed corner style of Capirossi, so does that mean the bike is more compliant and 'easier' to set-up?

Electronics play too much of a part on all GP bikes.

I wish you guys would watch the free practice videos. Stoner would get so much quicker on the gas then everyone else, and as a result the bike would start to wobble a bit but smooth its way out. I'm telling you if he would have done that on the LCR he would be crashing just like in 2006. Just take a look at the free practice videos. Its really clear to me that the TC system on the DUC has helped him stay on the bike, but thats what the TC is there for too....so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Goatboy @ Nov 18 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]101395[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All I read was "Follow thru"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Nov 21 2007, 03:19 AM) [snapback]101594[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wish you guys would watch the free practice videos. Stoner would get so much quicker on the gas then everyone else, and as a result the bike would start to wobble a bit but smooth its way out. I'm telling you if he would have done that on the LCR he would be crashing just like in 2006. Just take a look at the free practice videos. Its really clear to me that the TC system on the DUC has helped him stay on the bike, but thats what the TC is there for too....so.


Only problem with that is that on the LCR he would crash coming into the corners

So I'm thinking his explanation that there was something wrong on the front of the LCR might be more valid.
He freely admits he felt so much more confident with the front of the Duc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 20 2007, 10:52 AM) [snapback]101603[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Only problem with that is that on the LCR he would crash coming into the corners

So I'm thinking his explanation that there was something wrong on the front of the LCR might be more valid.
He freely admits he felt so much more confident with the front of the Duc.


you're joking right.....less you not forget that Mugello crash last year
that was NO low side my friend...

VID

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Nov 21 2007, 04:10 AM) [snapback]101604[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you're joking right.....less you not forget that Mugello crash last year
that was NO low side my friend...

VID


well yeah I was thinking of that one ..... unless I am wrong , out of that corner is where the riders are headed .... so if he had crashed coming out he would have been coming towrds us ..... he didn't seem to be doing that I still wonder how he did that .. he said he lost the front but it seemed to flip ... but that is the only footage there seems to be on that one and it does look like he had done some "preparotory crahing before the camera got to him.

So yes I know its not a low side but thats not to say being a low side is the only type of crah into a corner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 20 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]101603[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So I'm thinking his explanation that there was something wrong on the front of the LCR might be more valid.
He freely admits he felt so much more confident with the front of the Duc.


he is much more confident with the duke because of the bridgestone front tyre, he said it was unbelievable when testing and that the problem was with the michelin tyres.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Nov 21 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]101664[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he is much more confident with the duke because of the bridgestone front tyre, he said it was unbelievable when testing and that the problem was with the michelin tyres.


Actually yeah he really swears by the Bridgestone front .... as you would after a tumble like that in the vid

But he never raves about the back as much .... that one allways trikes me as funny except I guess it merely confirms he was scared of the front on the LCR

this year the ducati was the best bike, over winter break the others will bridge the gap but it depends how much they can do when the duke wil be improving as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 19 2007, 03:34 PM) [snapback]101453[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think thats just a style thing .... I believe he was tutored to do this by Doohan some time ago.

Saves the side of the tyre and gets max acceleration out of corners.


Sure it's a style thing, but differences at this level are not made up by huge differences in skill, but rather subtle differences where one take better advantage of his equipment. That's why I was wondering if not the ducati tc play together with stoners style, and more against capirossis style considering the increase of stoners performance and the drop in capirossis performance.

It was interesting, but I honestly think there will be serious competition next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 22 2007, 04:05 AM) [snapback]101758[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Sure it's a style thing, but differences at this level are not made up by huge differences in skill, but rather subtle differences where one take better advantage of his equipment. That's why I was wondering if not the ducati tc play together with stoners style, and more against capirossis style considering the increase of stoners performance and the drop in capirossis performance.


Well if it did suit his style then all the better he was for setting it up right for himself!! ..... TC is not "a part"/ an item .... it is a programmable sequens that interacts with the control of the bike and must be set up for the conditions ... just like choosing a tyre, or gearing, or power deliver ..... you don't go to the shop and say " I'll have 1 TC please!" .... like it was a sealed box of goodies. TC is a very tuneable thing and riders adjust in mid race if necessary. So I don't get it about TC. Turn it off if you don't like it ....

Sound bloody stupid for us "fans" to be standing at the sideline yelling "turn of your TC ..... be a real rider" .... when clearly half of us don't have the foggiest what it is!!

Now go to the supermarket and ask them "can I have a TC please??"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Nov 20 2007, 04:19 PM) [snapback]101594[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wish you guys would watch the free practice videos. Stoner would get so much quicker on the gas then everyone else, and as a result the bike would start to wobble a bit but smooth its way out. I'm telling you if he would have done that on the LCR he would be crashing just like in 2006. Just take a look at the free practice videos. Its really clear to me that the TC system on the DUC has helped him stay on the bike, but thats what the TC is there for too....so.


Well i've been watching free practice and qualifying and what i saw above all else was Stoner riding visably harder and faster than anyone else, weresstling a beast of a bike round every corner he rode.