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As you may be aware, I'm starting to believe that the point of Moto2 is actually to create a bunch of privateer teams who build their own rolling chassis and then lease engines (F1 format). The existing manufacturers have been extremely resistant to the idea. Furthermore, the proposal they gave to the governing body outlined costs of about 700,000 euros per engine.
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Kawasaki have made recent departure from the sport and their absence from the grid is putting strain on the other manufacturers to provide more and more satellite bikes (Dorna usually subsidizes the increase in numbers with commercial rights money). Plus, 800cc grand prix engines are fairly scarce, and it would be a big blow to the sport to lose a competent engine manufacturer. Do you think it would be beneficial to the governing body and the sport as a whole for Kawasaki to provide a customer engine, transmission, and electronics package to the MotoGP grid? Should Dorna use Kawasaki to make their engine lease plan come true?

For instance, Dorna could give Kawasaki 10M-15M (a lot I know) to continue developing their 800cc engine in order to get it up to speed. I reckon this amount would be bigger than the engine development budget at Suzuki and it might even rival the budget at Honda and Yamaha. Kawasaki would expand their existing facility so it was capable of building 100+ engines per season. The Dorna subsidies and the economies of scale could get the entire package down to about 300,000. Over time, the engine sales revenues and the Dorna subsidies might actually allow Kawasaki to develop an engine advantage. The other manufacturers would be eager to sign up to supply engines at a set price in order to capture Dorna commercial rights money, and reduce revenues to Kawasaki.

Have a go? or don't upset the apple cart?
 
Your details confuse me (as usual) but I like the idea.
 
The Kawasaki engine is already wayy ahead of suzuki. According to Marco, it's quite good and only needs some electronics updates for engine braking. Good idea, just don't see it happening.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 24 2009, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Kawasaki engine is already wayy ahead of suzuki. According to Marco, it's quite good and only needs some electronics updates for engine braking. Good idea, just don't see it happening.

Maybe Suzuki should develop that engine then! Might drag their ... off the last row
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 24 2009, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Kawasaki engine is already wayy ahead of suzuki. According to Marco, it's quite good and only needs some electronics updates for engine braking. Good idea, just don't see it happening.

Kawi engine wayy better than the Suzuki eh? Never.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 24 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your details confuse me (as usual) but I like the idea.

IRTA negotiates the commercial rights deals with Dorna. Instead of letting Kawasaki withdraw, continuing giving them commercial rights money to build and supply engines/transmissions/electronics to private teams. In theory, if they build 100+ engines per season and lease them out, they will be able to undercut the 700,000 euro bid supplied by the MSMA.

If they are getting 10M-15M just for engine R&D they might actually be able to pull ahead of the other manufacturers who spend time constructing countless spares and providing numerous personnel to privateer teams. Maybe other engine manufacturers will sign on to the engine lease plan. We will see a lot of Team KR 2007 type performances if they get rid of satellite bikes, but the sport would be a lot more interesting with true privateer teams.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 24 2009, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IRTA negotiates the commercial rights deals with Dorna. Instead of letting Kawasaki withdraw, continuing giving them commercial rights money to build and supply engines/transmissions/electronics to private teams. In theory, if they build 100+ engines per season and lease them out, they will be able to undercut the 700,000 euro bid supplied by the MSMA.

If they are getting 10M-15M just for engine R&D they might actually be able to pull ahead of the other manufacturers who spend time constructing countless spares and providing numerous personnel to privateer teams. Maybe other engine manufacturers will sign on to the engine lease plan. We will see a lot of Team KR 2007 type performances if they get rid of satellite bikes, but the sport would be a lot more interesting with true privateer teams.
I understand the plan as a whole. I guess I just wonder if 10-15 million is enough for R&D costs, or at least enough to make it worth Kawasaki's while. And if Kawsaki would be interested in the first place.
 

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