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Finally, someone that is in the know that doesnt want to make a irrational decision.If anyone could be bias it is him, yet he sticks to his guns because he knows that it isnt just the tires.Next thing we will hear from the Rossi Horde is that he {Burgess} is secretly a Stoner fan and Aussie homer and is working behind the scenes to keep Rossi down.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 16 2007, 12:05 PM) [snapback]95448[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
well Jerry did not design a good bike this year especially its hard on the tyres. He hasn't really explained about this at all.
Rossi's feedback.
well Jerry did not design a good bike this year especially its hard on the tyres. He hasn't really explained about this at all.
Rossi's feedback.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(povol @ Oct 15 2007, 06:04 PM) [snapback]95349[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Finally, someone that is in the know that doesnt want to make a irrational decision.If anyone could be bias it is him, yet he sticks to his guns because he knows that it isnt just the tires.Next thing we will hear from the Rossi Horde is that he {Burgess} is secretly a Stoner fan and Aussie homer and is working behind the scenes to keep Rossi down.
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Burgess has all valid points and look at it in a broader perspective than Rossi naturally does. But it is not as much about knowledge as it is about philosophy. The only knowledge in it is that sooner or later another manufacturer will catch up with bridgestone, and thats a quite philosophical approach.
That said, there is nothing irrational with a control tire, but it takes away the competition and that's bad for the development and for the market. The way burgess arguments he sound like a conservative politician with a true belief in the market and that's fine by me and on this issue I agree with him. But noting Burgess says change the fact that it is very doable with a control tire, just look at F1.
So I guess the only one letting the fantasy run away here is you.
Finally, someone that is in the know that doesnt want to make a irrational decision.If anyone could be bias it is him, yet he sticks to his guns because he knows that it isnt just the tires.Next thing we will hear from the Rossi Horde is that he {Burgess} is secretly a Stoner fan and Aussie homer and is working behind the scenes to keep Rossi down.
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Burgess has all valid points and look at it in a broader perspective than Rossi naturally does. But it is not as much about knowledge as it is about philosophy. The only knowledge in it is that sooner or later another manufacturer will catch up with bridgestone, and thats a quite philosophical approach.
That said, there is nothing irrational with a control tire, but it takes away the competition and that's bad for the development and for the market. The way burgess arguments he sound like a conservative politician with a true belief in the market and that's fine by me and on this issue I agree with him. But noting Burgess says change the fact that it is very doable with a control tire, just look at F1.
So I guess the only one letting the fantasy run away here is you.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 16 2007, 03:40 AM) [snapback]95467[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Burgess has all valid points and look at it in a broader perspective than Rossi naturally does. But it is not as much about knowledge as it is about philosophy. The only knowledge in it is that sooner or later another manufacturer will catch up with bridgestone, and thats a quite philosophical approach.
That said, there is nothing irrational with a control tire, but it takes away the competition and that's bad for the development and for the market. The way burgess arguments he sound like a conservative politician with a true belief in the market and that's fine by me and on this issue I agree with him. But noting Burgess says change the fact that it is very doable with a control tire, just look at F1.
So I guess the only one letting the fantasy run away here is you.
Why does everyone keep saying,look what Spec tires did for F1.What has it done.There is a points race because of circumstances,but the racing still sucks.Every race is a runaway and thats what everyone complains about in Gp this year.
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Burgess has all valid points and look at it in a broader perspective than Rossi naturally does. But it is not as much about knowledge as it is about philosophy. The only knowledge in it is that sooner or later another manufacturer will catch up with bridgestone, and thats a quite philosophical approach.
That said, there is nothing irrational with a control tire, but it takes away the competition and that's bad for the development and for the market. The way burgess arguments he sound like a conservative politician with a true belief in the market and that's fine by me and on this issue I agree with him. But noting Burgess says change the fact that it is very doable with a control tire, just look at F1.
So I guess the only one letting the fantasy run away here is you.
Why does everyone keep saying,look what Spec tires did for F1.What has it done.There is a points race because of circumstances,but the racing still sucks.Every race is a runaway and thats what everyone complains about in Gp this year.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 16 2007, 12:40 AM) [snapback]95467[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Babel, you amaze me. Do you really want to call me out in debate? Your point is that since I'm not a Rossi fan that Povol is mistaken about the inclinations of the Rossi horde because I'm for a control tire? Yes and no. Yes, you are right, I'm not part of the Rossi horde, but I'm for a control tire because of an entirely different reason that those who would be part of that horde that Povol speaks of--mainly the Rossi-tire apologist.
Sure you may be against the control tire, and I suppose you have your well thought out reasons; however, you are the heavy weight champion of pointing at tires to explain (excuse) away the results when interestingly they don’t fall in your favor. I’m so sick of reading people who have made a forum career of blaming the tires every time Rossi lost to Stoner, or Stoner beat Rossi (just read through this last post-race thread); that I would love a control tire for people can shut up (or move on to blaming the engine power, etc). I’m for a control tire so that the teams like KR can have a chance in this ever increasing cost of tires. Yes, Burgess is right about his points. Amazingly, you must have glossed over the part that he says Rossi’s mistakes are part of the equation. Now the prim Donas of the sport (you know who) are demanding Bstones, even if it means a control tire for everybody. And now the latest news is these prim Donas are taking it to the point that they demand the Bstones while their teammate stay on the Michelins. So if we are gonna go that route, then hell yeah, I’m in favor of a control tire, at least this way we won’t have a team with the “lesser” teammate on the perceived “lesser” tire. This is the ultimate slap on the face.
But sometimes I do think it might be a good idea to let them have their power-pouting way, only because there is that slim chance that Michelin would take it as a challenge and possibly make a better tire and then we could have Hayden and Lorentho beating their “superior” teammates. Oh, it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
What Rossi horde would that be? The likes of Jumkie that is in favor of control tires, or the likes of me who are against them?
Babel, you amaze me. Do you really want to call me out in debate? Your point is that since I'm not a Rossi fan that Povol is mistaken about the inclinations of the Rossi horde because I'm for a control tire? Yes and no. Yes, you are right, I'm not part of the Rossi horde, but I'm for a control tire because of an entirely different reason that those who would be part of that horde that Povol speaks of--mainly the Rossi-tire apologist.
Sure you may be against the control tire, and I suppose you have your well thought out reasons; however, you are the heavy weight champion of pointing at tires to explain (excuse) away the results when interestingly they don’t fall in your favor. I’m so sick of reading people who have made a forum career of blaming the tires every time Rossi lost to Stoner, or Stoner beat Rossi (just read through this last post-race thread); that I would love a control tire for people can shut up (or move on to blaming the engine power, etc). I’m for a control tire so that the teams like KR can have a chance in this ever increasing cost of tires. Yes, Burgess is right about his points. Amazingly, you must have glossed over the part that he says Rossi’s mistakes are part of the equation. Now the prim Donas of the sport (you know who) are demanding Bstones, even if it means a control tire for everybody. And now the latest news is these prim Donas are taking it to the point that they demand the Bstones while their teammate stay on the Michelins. So if we are gonna go that route, then hell yeah, I’m in favor of a control tire, at least this way we won’t have a team with the “lesser” teammate on the perceived “lesser” tire. This is the ultimate slap on the face.
But sometimes I do think it might be a good idea to let them have their power-pouting way, only because there is that slim chance that Michelin would take it as a challenge and possibly make a better tire and then we could have Hayden and Lorentho beating their “superior” teammates. Oh, it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 17 2007, 12:15 AM) [snapback]95598[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Babel, you amaze me. Do you really want to call me out in debate? Your point is that since I'm not a Rossi fan that Povol is mistaken about the inclinations of the Rossi horde because I'm for a control tire? Yes and no. Yes, you are right, I'm not part of the Rossi horde, but I'm for a control tire because of an entirely different reason that those who would be part of that horde that Povol speaks of--mainly the Rossi-tire apologist.
Not calling you out in debate at all Jumkie. Just pointing out to Povol that the world is a bit less black and white than he might think.
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Sure you may be against the control tire, and I suppose you have your well thought out reasons; however, you are the heavy weight champion of pointing at tires to explain (excuse) away the results when interestingly they don’t fall in your favor. I’m so sick of reading people who have made a forum career of blaming the tires every time Rossi lost to Stoner, or Stoner beat Rossi (just read through this last post-race thread); that I would love a control tire for people can shut up (or move on to blaming the engine power, etc). I’m for a control tire so that the teams like KR can have a chance in this ever increasing cost of tires. Yes, Burgess is right about his points. Amazingly, you must have glossed over the part that he says Rossi’s mistakes are part of the equation.
But did you ever see him or any other respected commentator even suggest that tires was not a part of the equation this year?
Please refer me to one because I've hardly seen any commentator that hasn't commented on the tires just as much as I've done.
It's not a question of what other misstakes was done, and I am not at all suggesting that Rossi would have won the championship if he was on stones if thats what you think.
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Now the prim Donas of the sport (you know who) are demanding Bstones, even if it means a control tire for everybody. And now the latest news is these prim Donas are taking it to the point that they demand the Bstones while their teammate stay on the Michelins. So if we are gonna go that route, then hell yeah, I’m in favor of a control tire, at least this way we won’t have a team with the “lesser” teammate on the perceived “lesser” tire. This is the ultimate slap on the face.
But sometimes I do think it might be a good idea to let them have their power-pouting way, only because there is that slim chance that Michelin would take it as a challenge and possibly make a better tire and then we could have Hayden and Lorentho beating their “superior” teammates. Oh, it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
Yeah, I see that it might look like Pedrosa and Rossi are trying to wrestle out a one bike deal for them selves, and I don't like it. It's bad for the team and it's bad for the future of Michelin in the sport, and as you said, chances are that Michelin might get their act together and actually produce competetive tires.
All that said, what they say and what they want might be two different things. Running one bike with Stones sounds like a recipie for disaster to me. My guess is that they are hiding their agenda. What they try to achive might be a control tire, more pressure on Michelin, pressure FIM to modify the rules allowing more tires.
like it or not, it's all part of the show.
Babel, you amaze me. Do you really want to call me out in debate? Your point is that since I'm not a Rossi fan that Povol is mistaken about the inclinations of the Rossi horde because I'm for a control tire? Yes and no. Yes, you are right, I'm not part of the Rossi horde, but I'm for a control tire because of an entirely different reason that those who would be part of that horde that Povol speaks of--mainly the Rossi-tire apologist.
Not calling you out in debate at all Jumkie. Just pointing out to Povol that the world is a bit less black and white than he might think.
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Sure you may be against the control tire, and I suppose you have your well thought out reasons; however, you are the heavy weight champion of pointing at tires to explain (excuse) away the results when interestingly they don’t fall in your favor. I’m so sick of reading people who have made a forum career of blaming the tires every time Rossi lost to Stoner, or Stoner beat Rossi (just read through this last post-race thread); that I would love a control tire for people can shut up (or move on to blaming the engine power, etc). I’m for a control tire so that the teams like KR can have a chance in this ever increasing cost of tires. Yes, Burgess is right about his points. Amazingly, you must have glossed over the part that he says Rossi’s mistakes are part of the equation.
But did you ever see him or any other respected commentator even suggest that tires was not a part of the equation this year?
Please refer me to one because I've hardly seen any commentator that hasn't commented on the tires just as much as I've done.
It's not a question of what other misstakes was done, and I am not at all suggesting that Rossi would have won the championship if he was on stones if thats what you think.
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Now the prim Donas of the sport (you know who) are demanding Bstones, even if it means a control tire for everybody. And now the latest news is these prim Donas are taking it to the point that they demand the Bstones while their teammate stay on the Michelins. So if we are gonna go that route, then hell yeah, I’m in favor of a control tire, at least this way we won’t have a team with the “lesser” teammate on the perceived “lesser” tire. This is the ultimate slap on the face.
But sometimes I do think it might be a good idea to let them have their power-pouting way, only because there is that slim chance that Michelin would take it as a challenge and possibly make a better tire and then we could have Hayden and Lorentho beating their “superior” teammates. Oh, it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
Yeah, I see that it might look like Pedrosa and Rossi are trying to wrestle out a one bike deal for them selves, and I don't like it. It's bad for the team and it's bad for the future of Michelin in the sport, and as you said, chances are that Michelin might get their act together and actually produce competetive tires.
All that said, what they say and what they want might be two different things. Running one bike with Stones sounds like a recipie for disaster to me. My guess is that they are hiding their agenda. What they try to achive might be a control tire, more pressure on Michelin, pressure FIM to modify the rules allowing more tires.
like it or not, it's all part of the show.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 16 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]95598[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
my thoughts exactly! ala makoto tamada who did very well on bridgestones & demanded that he needed equal tires to take it to rossi! well he got them & that did'nt work out to well for him.
it would be worth it alone just to see them trying to crawl back to Michelin at the end of next year.
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[quote name='Babelfish' date='Oct 17 2007, 04:59 AM' post='95630']
Not calling you out in debate at all Jumkie. Just pointing out to Povol that the world is a bit less black and white than he might think.
But did you ever see him or any other respected commentator even suggest that tires was not a part of the equation this year?
Please refer me to one because I've hardly seen any commentator that hasn't commented on the tires just as much as I've done.
It's not a question of what other misstakes was done, and I am not at all suggesting that Rossi would have won the championship if he was on stones if thats what you think.
Yeah, I see that it might look like Pedrosa and Rossi are trying to wrestle out a one bike deal for them selves, and I don't like it. It's bad for the team and it's bad for the future of Michelin in the sport, and as you said, chances are that Michelin might get their act together and actually produce competetive tires.
All that said, what they say and what they want might be two different things. Running one bike with Stones sounds like a recipie for disaster to me. My guess is that they are hiding their agenda. What they try to achive might be a control tire, more pressure on Michelin, pressure FIM
to modify the rules allowing more tires.
I go out of my way to ensure that my world stays black and white.The grey areas are what is debatable and the debates rarely go anywhere. Black and White,Right and Wrong,Yes and No.Its really simpler than most people make it out to be.
Not calling you out in debate at all Jumkie. Just pointing out to Povol that the world is a bit less black and white than he might think.
But did you ever see him or any other respected commentator even suggest that tires was not a part of the equation this year?
Please refer me to one because I've hardly seen any commentator that hasn't commented on the tires just as much as I've done.
It's not a question of what other misstakes was done, and I am not at all suggesting that Rossi would have won the championship if he was on stones if thats what you think.
Yeah, I see that it might look like Pedrosa and Rossi are trying to wrestle out a one bike deal for them selves, and I don't like it. It's bad for the team and it's bad for the future of Michelin in the sport, and as you said, chances are that Michelin might get their act together and actually produce competetive tires.
All that said, what they say and what they want might be two different things. Running one bike with Stones sounds like a recipie for disaster to me. My guess is that they are hiding their agenda. What they try to achive might be a control tire, more pressure on Michelin, pressure FIM
to modify the rules allowing more tires.
I go out of my way to ensure that my world stays black and white.The grey areas are what is debatable and the debates rarely go anywhere. Black and White,Right and Wrong,Yes and No.Its really simpler than most people make it out to be.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 17 2007, 01:59 AM) [snapback]95630[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
All that said....
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
All that said....
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 17 2007, 04:16 PM) [snapback]95680[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
it's not what you no but who you no !
altho im not convinced the powers that be jump when rossi snaps his fingers. mabe some of the other riders would be taken more seriously on matters like this if they put themselves out and went to meetings. rossi always attends which is why his voice is heard. its not because of his popularity its because of his hard work.
take the saftey meetings for instance, who turned up ?
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
it's not what you no but who you no !
altho im not convinced the powers that be jump when rossi snaps his fingers. mabe some of the other riders would be taken more seriously on matters like this if they put themselves out and went to meetings. rossi always attends which is why his voice is heard. its not because of his popularity its because of his hard work.
take the saftey meetings for instance, who turned up ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 17 2007, 05:16 PM) [snapback]95680[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
That seems to be the case, or not.
Popularity, connections, nationality, factories, markets... they all play a role, but just as in life it goes only that far. Merits goes a long way and will allways be in the equation. While skill and merits are allways there the not so noble factors are ever so often put aside.
It seems we are closer on the issue than we seem to be; actually I agree with most everything you said. The ultimate decision of course is out of our hands, but this tire issue has got me thinking of several concerns regarding the underpinnings of this sport, which have made me more cynical than I already was. I guess we will know soon enough what is to be, but one thing that has definitely come to light, is that sport continues to mimic life in that there will always be a class system based on popularity and connections, rather than merit and equality.
That seems to be the case, or not.
Popularity, connections, nationality, factories, markets... they all play a role, but just as in life it goes only that far. Merits goes a long way and will allways be in the equation. While skill and merits are allways there the not so noble factors are ever so often put aside.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 17 2007, 08:28 AM) [snapback]95681[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it's not what you no but who you no !
Yeah, and on top of that (it may tickle you for me to admit) he (Rossi) does deserve a bit more of the ear than most other rides because he has been at the top of the heap for so many years with all those championships. As well as, as you say, he's been very involved in the meets, while others have claimed, "they weren’t invited". Haha. So I agree with you, but I'm not to keen on him getting, if its even true (though Capirossi seems to think it is) that he get his new choice in tires while his teammate doesn't.
it's not what you no but who you no !
Yeah, and on top of that (it may tickle you for me to admit) he (Rossi) does deserve a bit more of the ear than most other rides because he has been at the top of the heap for so many years with all those championships. As well as, as you say, he's been very involved in the meets, while others have claimed, "they weren’t invited". Haha. So I agree with you, but I'm not to keen on him getting, if its even true (though Capirossi seems to think it is) that he get his new choice in tires while his teammate doesn't.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 17 2007, 05:13 PM) [snapback]95686[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, and on top of that (it may tickle you for me to admit) he (Rossi) does deserve a bit more of the ear than most other rides because he has been at the top of the heap for so many years with all those championships. As well as, as you say, he's been very involved in the meets, while others have claimed, "they weren’t invited". Haha. So I agree with you, but I'm not to keen on him getting, if its even true (though Capirossi seems to think it is) that he get his new choice in tires while his teammate doesn't.
it's all about keeping a foot in the door. when your at the top of your game and with the amounts of money involved you have to go with what you think is best but try not to close doors behind you.
the more this saga continues the more sense your control tyre makes but dont get to excited just yet as my vote is still no for at least 1 more season.
i think having one team use both makes will be interesting but i hope this option will be available for other teams also.
Yeah, and on top of that (it may tickle you for me to admit) he (Rossi) does deserve a bit more of the ear than most other rides because he has been at the top of the heap for so many years with all those championships. As well as, as you say, he's been very involved in the meets, while others have claimed, "they weren’t invited". Haha. So I agree with you, but I'm not to keen on him getting, if its even true (though Capirossi seems to think it is) that he get his new choice in tires while his teammate doesn't.
it's all about keeping a foot in the door. when your at the top of your game and with the amounts of money involved you have to go with what you think is best but try not to close doors behind you.
the more this saga continues the more sense your control tyre makes but dont get to excited just yet as my vote is still no for at least 1 more season.
i think having one team use both makes will be interesting but i hope this option will be available for other teams also.
Burgess is a wolf in sheep's clothing, with a wolf's costume on top. He talks mean and everyone thinks, "what a wise old sage", but in reality he is a killer and a technical genius.
I happen to agree with him that the tire advantage is largely a myth. The Bridgestones only work best at most resurfaced circuits, the Michelins work much better in the heat. It hasn't been very hot, many tracks have been resurfaced.
The idea that Burgess wants competition is about as preposterous as Bridestone saying they want it. Want they want is to win. Burgess thinks Michelin is the best way to win, Rossi thinks Bridgestone is the best way to win.
Burgess does have some bias, he has already expressed some frustration at Motogp as a whole for using a litany of washed up old men to test these miserable new 800's. I think he believes they way forward is with new talent and new ideas--bravo.
Even though I agree with him--I can't in good conscience side with him. MotoGP has been nearly ruined by new technology and new rules. The luster of racing prototypes has begun to wane as technology seeks to take the human element out of the sport. The sport is more boring AND more expensive thanks to the new rules.
Burgess comes from the old school. I agree with everything he believes in but he's got to face the music. Rossi sucks this year b/c his bike is complete crap. The 80/20 formula has been flushed down the toilet. Teams can't keep throwing mountains of money at their machines, they should be throwing mountains of money at the team directors and the riders to get the thing set up properly (the way Yamaha won in 2004 and 2005).
The rules created this mess, sadly they are going to have to bail everyone out. There are just too many incentives in place for teams to blow loads of money looking for an extra tenth out of the machine or the rubber. A control tire is a good step in the right direction, since they can't go back to the 990s.
I happen to agree with him that the tire advantage is largely a myth. The Bridgestones only work best at most resurfaced circuits, the Michelins work much better in the heat. It hasn't been very hot, many tracks have been resurfaced.
The idea that Burgess wants competition is about as preposterous as Bridestone saying they want it. Want they want is to win. Burgess thinks Michelin is the best way to win, Rossi thinks Bridgestone is the best way to win.
Burgess does have some bias, he has already expressed some frustration at Motogp as a whole for using a litany of washed up old men to test these miserable new 800's. I think he believes they way forward is with new talent and new ideas--bravo.
Even though I agree with him--I can't in good conscience side with him. MotoGP has been nearly ruined by new technology and new rules. The luster of racing prototypes has begun to wane as technology seeks to take the human element out of the sport. The sport is more boring AND more expensive thanks to the new rules.
Burgess comes from the old school. I agree with everything he believes in but he's got to face the music. Rossi sucks this year b/c his bike is complete crap. The 80/20 formula has been flushed down the toilet. Teams can't keep throwing mountains of money at their machines, they should be throwing mountains of money at the team directors and the riders to get the thing set up properly (the way Yamaha won in 2004 and 2005).
The rules created this mess, sadly they are going to have to bail everyone out. There are just too many incentives in place for teams to blow loads of money looking for an extra tenth out of the machine or the rubber. A control tire is a good step in the right direction, since they can't go back to the 990s.
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Even though I agree with him--I can't in good conscience side with him. MotoGP has been nearly ruined by new technology and new rules. The luster of racing prototypes has begun to wane as technology seeks to take the human element out of the sport. The sport is more boring AND more expensive thanks to the new rules.
Just like in F1. They always say they have to change the rules because the bikes/cars are too fast and too expensive. Such is human ingenuity, they just about always find a way to make the new models go just as fast if not faster, and always find a way to spend even more money.
Even though I agree with him--I can't in good conscience side with him. MotoGP has been nearly ruined by new technology and new rules. The luster of racing prototypes has begun to wane as technology seeks to take the human element out of the sport. The sport is more boring AND more expensive thanks to the new rules.
Just like in F1. They always say they have to change the rules because the bikes/cars are too fast and too expensive. Such is human ingenuity, they just about always find a way to make the new models go just as fast if not faster, and always find a way to spend even more money.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 21 2007, 11:40 AM) [snapback]96349[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just like in F1. They always say they have to change the rules because the bikes/cars are too fast and too expensive. Such is human ingenuity, they just about always find a way to make the new models go just as fast if not faster, and always find a way to spend even more money.
Yea, these guys are very well paid for what they do there needs to be a certain amount of vulnerbility of some danger. The best riders show no fear and the weaklings don't count.
Just like in F1. They always say they have to change the rules because the bikes/cars are too fast and too expensive. Such is human ingenuity, they just about always find a way to make the new models go just as fast if not faster, and always find a way to spend even more money.
Yea, these guys are very well paid for what they do there needs to be a certain amount of vulnerbility of some danger. The best riders show no fear and the weaklings don't count.
