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Looks like the piddle-piss rain is likely to continue throughout Fp3 and Qual today.
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xx CURVE xx said:
theres always the arm pump excuse
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The 'excuse' that he's used... once before.



Some excuse. He could have said he burned up his tyres. Why leave it open for more pops at him and his 'frail' physique?



Maybe because it was true...
 
Perspective: Just finished watching last year's Jerez race. We really are worse off without Sic. Damn!
 
Jumkie said:
But its ok for JLo and Dani to "risk"? The lesson from Qatar is, they all are gonna need to fight for wins, in wet, dry, wind, etc. Again, I thought his resignation was odd for him being the fastest during testing and knowing his wet race credentials.
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You could look at it another way... he knows he's got the beating of Lorenzo everywhere but at Jerez and (barring arm pump) is a shoe-in for his third title
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hawkdriver said:
He's just being realistic based on his record at jerez...If he doesn't have a great race it isn't the end of the world,
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I agree. He has never gone well here. Everyone has a 'bogey' track, this is Stoner's.



If you add this poor one to his sliding through turn 3 at Philip Island we end up with two good races
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They cancel each other out...
 
Mr Squiggle said:
You honestly believe all riders look at a single race win as the defining moment in their championship aspirations? Sounds pretty daft to me....
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Exactly. I wonder which of Hayden's two wins did he see as the defining moment for 2006 - Assen or USA?
 
hawkdriver said:
In the rain there are no VSGs or whatever it is that Barry helped Ducati with. Forget the fact that you would never load a front tire in the wet like you would in the dry and that the Duc sucks at loading the front in the dry so it's probably just right in the wet.
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Really!!?? Where did they go?
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You really have no idea do you
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Read fella read.
 
Jerez is actually Stoners worst track for arm pump ........ well thats where the arm pump upset the boppers the most:



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BarryMachine said:
Really!!?? Where did they go?
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You really have no idea do you
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Read fella read.
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Did you honestly think I was being serious Barry? Just disproving your silly theory. So where do these mysterious vibrations go in the wet, why isn't the bike .... in the wet when there is even less grip. Don't say it has to do with revs because the problem as described by Rossi happens during corner entry when there is no throttle being applied. The truth is it has nothing to do with any VSGs.
 
hawkdriver said:
Did you honestly think I was being serious Barry? Just disproving your silly theory. So where do these mysterious vibrations go in the wet, why isn't the bike .... in the wet when there is even less grip. Don't say it has to do with revs because the problem as described by Rossi happens during corner entry when there is no throttle being applied. The truth is it has nothing to do with any VSGs.
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It is ".... in the wet" but then again so are all the others.



Why it may not matter specifically with the Duc, Possibly when Wet it has a likely hood of letting loose at the rear end which biases grip to the front the moment it lets loose at the rear. Which kinda backs why Stoner could ride it like that in the dry as well. Neither Rossi, nor many other riders are willing to take it to that level of grip balance/unbalance in the dry.



With any gyroscope is you try to turn it on its axis it resists, if you push it sideways .... it does not.



Turning it on its axis is like tracking around a corner, like Rossi does. Slipping the back out, like Stoner does, is like pushing the gyro sideways/laterally to get round the corner.



I'd even venture to propose that the Duc may even have an advantage in the wet because of the VSG.
 
Jumkie said:
Ah, so maybe you should drop a FB post to VR, since he said they don't know why the Duc behaves like this in the rain in contrast to the dry. You solved the mystery buddy. Rossi said that last year's bike (800) was also competitive in wet conditions (though I could barely detect this "competitiveness" from my cold and wet vantage point at Silverstone last year), and he was pleased to confirm it once again, though he was at a loss to explain why the bike doesn't perform as well in the dry. (See post practice interview)



Nicky offered an explanation:



“We tried to understand why in real rain we had a bike that was fast,” said Hayden. “We used to think with the carbon chassis that in the dry we were too stiff and our theory was that the stiffness actually helps to heat the tyre more, because in the rain you don't always want something real soft.



“Even with suspension you think you need to soften it up, but when you do that the wet tyres don't push into the ground and they don't push through the puddles and you don't generate the heat and work the tyres.”



Nicky's under the impression it has something to do with putting heat into the tires. Being that they are using aluminum now, it seems the new bike continues to does this same thing well provided its in wet conditions.





On a related note, Nicky also mentioned he didn't want to tear up too many tires since they were limited. So then, the question I have is, will Bridgestone ever provide an intermediates for these patchy (non-rain/non-dry) conditions? Will Dorna or the riders ever push for it? Wtf.
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Do you really think nobody at Ducati has a clue? Really? Maybe Nicky believes that. And you...
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Valentino is speaking tongue in cheek. At Ducati it is a political taboo mentioning the engine's powerful and peaky character as a problem, because that is Preziosi's baby. So Rossi emphasizes "nobody knows why".

Preziosi never accepted to make a milder engine. So far...
 
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If tomorrows race is like today then we are in for a treat. Feel a bit sorry for Ped though, everytime he puts in a best lap, Loz puts in one better.
 
Really exciting qualifying. Nobody knew if it was going to bucket down at any time.

I admit there was one stage I was hoping Cal had done enough & the rain would come but wasn't to be.

Mega session from Nicky. Really impressive. Pedrosa & Lorenzo trading fast laps was pretty bloody good too.

Randy in 10th in dry conditions - Wow.

Vale is going to need it wet for sure. Probably same for Stoner here.

But whatever the conditions we should have a cracker tomorrow. If it rains Nicky could win
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Well done Hayden On P3, that's his will power.



Nice job by Crutchlow as well!



A difficult session, everybody had some shaky moments.
 
Is there a lot of bumps or wet patches on turn 1 or something? I saw Stoner, Rossi, Nicky & Pedrosa all nearly lose the front there.
 
Crazy to see Hayden up in 3rd at the final lap. And Rossi back behind a CRT bike. I suspect Rossi is deliberately turning the wick down to make Ducati look worse in hopes of motivating Ducati to do a better job and get the latest iteration done quickly. In the meantime Nicky is making him look like a lazy old man. Go Nicky!



And please Mr. Spies - get yer .... together. I'm hatin' seeing you not up front.





Seems like it was a record session in terms of saved/near-crashes.
 

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