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theres always the arm pump excuse



Stoner has found the cure for his arm pump ( aka "the Spinacher Effect"
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That slide from Hernandez was crazy.

Was just looking at that. Reminded me of Melandri PI. Can anybody post on youtube?



BTW, looks like that yacht training helped Pedro, give the man a license, clearly he can navigate in water.
 
If power delivery in the dry is an issue for Duc, shouldnt it be worse in the rain?
Not necessarily, peak power would be significantly restricted in wet trim, therefore power delivery issue fades.
 
Not necessarily, peak power would be significantly restricted in wet trim, therefore power delivery issue fades.



Exactly. The very fact that the bike is good only on the wet, indicates that the origin of many problems on the dry is probably power delivery.
 
Was just looking at that. Reminded me of Melandri PI. Can anybody post on youtube?



BTW, looks like that yacht training helped Pedro, give the man a license, clearly he can navigate in water.



"The mate was a mighty sailing man...!"



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Exactly. The very fact that the bike is good only on the wet, indicates that the origin of many problems on the dry is probably power delivery.



Ah, so maybe you should drop a FB post to VR, since he said they don't know why the Duc behaves like this in the rain in contrast to the dry. You solved the mystery buddy. Rossi said that last year's bike (800) was also competitive in wet conditions (though I could barely detect this "competitiveness" from my cold and wet vantage point at Silverstone last year), and he was pleased to confirm it once again, though he was at a loss to explain why the bike doesn't perform as well in the dry. (See post practice interview)



Nicky offered an explanation:



“We tried to understand why in real rain we had a bike that was fast,” said Hayden. “We used to think with the carbon chassis that in the dry we were too stiff and our theory was that the stiffness actually helps to heat the tyre more, because in the rain you don't always want something real soft.



“Even with suspension you think you need to soften it up, but when you do that the wet tyres don't push into the ground and they don't push through the puddles and you don't generate the heat and work the tyres.”



Nicky's under the impression it has something to do with putting heat into the tires. Being that they are using aluminum now, it seems the new bike continues to does this same thing well provided its in wet conditions.





On a related note, Nicky also mentioned he didn't want to tear up too many tires since they were limited. So then, the question I have is, will Bridgestone ever provide an intermediates for these patchy (non-rain/non-dry) conditions? Will Dorna or the riders ever push for it? Wtf.
 
Rossi will not have a great qualifying run, but he will win the race.
 

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Ah, so maybe you should drop a FB post to VR, since he said they don't know why the Duc behaves like this in the rain in contrast to the dry. You solved the mystery buddy. Rossi said that last year's bike (800) was also competitive in wet conditions (though I could barely detect this &quot;competitiveness&quot; from my cold and wet vantage point at Silverstone last year), and he was pleased to confirm it once again, though he was at a loss to explain why the bike doesn't perform as well in the dry. (See post practice interview)



Nicky offered an explanation:



“We tried to understand why in real rain we had a bike that was fast,” said Hayden. “We used to think with the carbon chassis that in the dry we were too stiff and our theory was that the stiffness actually helps to heat the tyre more, because in the rain you don't always want something real soft.



“Even with suspension you think you need to soften it up, but when you do that the wet tyres don't push into the ground and they don't push through the puddles and you don't generate the heat and work the tyres.”



Nicky's under the impression it has something to do with putting heat into the tires. Being that they are using aluminum now, it seems the new bike continues to does this same thing well provided its in wet conditions.





On a related note, Nicky also mentioned he didn't want to tear up too many tires since they were limited. So then, the question I have is, will Bridgestone ever provide an intermediates for these patchy (non-rain/non-dry) conditions? Will Dorna or the riders ever push for it? Wtf.



That's exactly what I've been thinking! It must be frustrating sitting in the pits with a multimillion dollar motorcycle that you can't ride because there are three or four puddles on the track.



In addition to this..... GOOOO VALENTINO!
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That's exactly what I've been thinking! It must be frustrating sitting in the pits with a multimillion dollar motorcycle that you can't ride because there are three or four puddles on the track.



In addition to this..... GOOOO VALENTINO!
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couldn't agree more.

And think of the fans, they probs don't realise its not dry or wet enough for their hero's to go out so they suffer the rain for nothing,

at least an intermediate would let the teams get some data if nothing else.
 
Rain is a good leveler, and the difference between Silverstone and Jerez 2011 IMO was experience, Rossi had only ridden a Road going superbike around there prior to that race weekend which was predominantly miserable, Nicky did ok in the race there. Also the Jerez conditions were more intermediate, as they are now.



The Ducati certainly is an Enigma.........once again its behavior is similar to last season despite the changes-only thing that remains-that engine. Only the other two Sat efforts are nearly 4secs back! No tow for Hector? I thought he was the young up and comer who was going to show Rossi and Nicky how to ride the duck?



Stoner won't be happy being 1.4secs off the pace of his teammate at present, biggest surprise for me are Spies and Cal, 2.5secs seconds off the pace!! Hopefully these are just seriously skewed times due to the unusual conditions, it looks as though its going to continue like this weather wise though.......
 
If power delivery in the dry is an issue for Duc, shouldnt it be worse in the rain?

In the rain there are no VSGs or whatever it is that Barry helped Ducati with. Forget the fact that you would never load a front tire in the wet like you would in the dry and that the Duc sucks at loading the front in the dry so it's probably just right in the wet.
 
I thought Stoners comments saying theres no need to win at Jerez were odd.
 
I thought Stoners comments saying theres no need to win at Jerez were odd.



I assume you are referring to his statement that the championship would not be decided by winning the Jerez race this weekend. If so in what way is that "odd"?
 
I assume you are referring to his statement that the championship would not be decided by winning the Jerez race this weekend. If so in what way is that "odd"?

No sense risking it at his bogey track or running at the front with guys who are going to be taking huge risk if it's wet.
 

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