Jerez predictions

I am surprised that most people don't expect Rossi to win where as going into Qatar pretty much everyone did!

As i predicted earlier:

1. Rossi
2. Capirossi
3. Pedrosa

Edwards in the midfield
Hayden improving on last time
Stoner in top 6 or to fall off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Mar 16 2007, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I went with my heart last time, this time I'm going with my head.

1. Capirossi
2. Stoner
3. Pedrosa
4. Rossi


Nah the Ducati's won't get a 1,2 I guarantee it. Jerez is a more twisty and turning circuit, the Dukes can't possibly run with the same rpm/speed as they did at Qatar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 16 2007, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nah the Ducati's won't get a 1,2 I guarantee it.
well there ya go........ u guy's who don't think the ducati's will be there are really in for a rude awakening.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 16 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well there ya go........ u guy's who don't think the ducati's will be there are really in for a rude awakening.


A Ducati may win but they will not finish 1st and 2nd - infact i would be surprised if they both finish the same race - for whatever reasons.

1st Pedrosa
2nd Elías
3rd Checa


I'm in a patriotic mood today.

tough call.. ill make up my mind next week.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 16 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Reluctant Head says:
1.Loris
2.Pedrobot
3.Rossi
4.Loris

Hate to rain on your parade jumkie but who's the other Loris? Is Mr Reggiani coming out of retirement on the 400cc Aprilia?

[quote name='Goatboy' date='Mar 17 2007, 03:12 AM' post='54869']
I went with my heart last time, this time I'm going with my head.

1. Capirossi
2. Stoner
3. Pedrosa
4. Rossi


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1. Stoner
2.Capirossi
3.Pedrosa
4.Vermeulen
5.Rossi
6.Hoppers

Jerez Race Win Stats:
Year - Race - Date - Rider - Manufacturer
2006 - 1 - 03/26/2006 - CAPIROSSI, Loris - DUCATI
2005 - 1 - 04/09/2005 - ROSSI, Valentino - YAMAHA
2004 - 2 - 05/01/2004 - GIBERNAU, Sete - HONDA
2003 - 3 - 05/11/2003 - ROSSI, Valentino - HONDA
2002 - 3 - 05/05/2002 - ROSSI, Valentino - HONDA
2001 - 3 - 05/06/2001 - ROSSI, Valentino - HONDA
2000 - 4 - 04/30/2000 - ROBERTS Jr, Kenny - SUZUKI

Four wins for Rossi, four wins for Honda… interesting. Plus Capirossi’s Duke in there. On my view the Extra Power of the Dukes really kicks in at the long straights, so this evens up a bit. Then I’ll have to say:

1. Rossi (Another BMW to collect, oh sorry that was in the Official Test).
2. Capirossi (He did win last year).
3. Hayden (I’ll give him a break, his life can’t be that bad).
4. Pedrosa (Could also be 3th, but then Hayden would be 7 or so).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 16 2007, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the "CHAMP" 6th.

That belongs to ‘I see Yamaha 1 & 2’ Eduards!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Mar 16 2007, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1st Pedrosa
2nd Elías
3rd Checa
I'm in a patriotic mood today.

1st Pedrosa crashes
2nd Elías crashes
3rd Checa crashes

Just a joke!

1. Pedrosa, 2. Rossi, 3. Stoner

I think a major factor is how much power Honda and Yamaha can tweak out of the electronics here.
We could very well see bikes running out of gas on the last lap.

The ducati power advantage does increase with longer straights but on the other hand, it pulled away imediatly and no one could stay in the draft. Another issue that might play a role is that both straights start with a slow second gear turn and I don't know how early they can get all the power to the ground. If this dealy the full power pull away better handling bikes may even be able to gain at the exit, somthing thet didn't do at Losail.
Capirossi won last year, and he did have the speed at quatar, just messed up the first lap, so he will be there. Rossi will be there, his all time favortie turn is on this track, and Pedrosa will be there unless we get some spring rain comming. I also think Stoner will be there. That's allready 4 guys fighting for 3 podium spots in addition there are 3-4 others that that will try to be there and one or two will get it right and be up there.

My best guess right now is
1. Capirex
2. Rossi
3. Pedrosa

No at all sure about the number but out of those I think Pedrosa si the most uncertain. Stoner might come in there or with optimum conditions Ducati could take the double here.

And Tom, I hope it will pour down on all three days

1.Rossi
2.Pedrosa
3. Capirossi
4. Stoner
5. Melandri
6. Hopper
7. Edwards
8. Hayden

I do think the Ducatis will run pretty close together, so 3rd-4th could swap.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 17 2007, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think a major factor is how much power Honda and Yamaha can tweak out of the electronics here.
We could very well see bikes running out of gas on the last lap.Problem is fish, up the horsepower slightly, and the chassis won't behave just the same. Bolt on an extra 10mph, not so simple. A small amount of extra bhp or a slighly different power delivery could make the front run slightly wide out of turns or balance too much weight on the rear and destroy a tyre during a race. Add to that the tyre regs and the difficulty in getting the tyre/chassis setting just right, and things get interesting. That's why I'm fascinated to see how Yamaha and Honda approach this one and why I think Ducati will be strong. I think we'll see engine failures this year as well as guys running out of fuel.

Well I'm not proud, I can handle being wrong

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Mar 17 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Problem is fish, up the horsepower slightly, and the chassis won't behave just the same. Bolt on an extra 10mph, not so simple. A small amount of extra bhp or a slighly different power delivery could make the front run slightly wide out of turns or balance too much weight on the rear and destroy a tyre during a race. Add to that the tyre regs and the difficulty in getting the tyre/chassis setting just right, and things get interesting. That's why I'm fascinated to see how Yamaha and Honda approach this one and why I think Ducati will be strong. I think we'll see engine failures this year as well as guys running out of fuel.

I'm not saying you are wrong but doesn't the traction control or throttle control take lot of that out of the equation? I mean, most of the time they have more power than they can use. Adding more would would not change the required output in the turns. I agree that it may influence how controllable the power is, and that can disturb the balance.
One option could be to make a deliberate step up at some throttle position/rpm combination, making sure they are out of any traction related situation before they reach that point. In other words, the engine behaves just like before on in the turns but get some extra tweaks when full power are needed. Right now I doubt they have much more than the electronics to play with. With new engine parts that will change and the whole traction control and power mapping must be redone to get the same contolled poweroutput.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 17 2007, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying you are wrong but doesn't the traction control or throttle control take lot of that out of the equation? I mean, most of the time they have more power than they can use. Adding more would would not change the required output in the turns. I agree that it may influence how controllable the power is, and that can disturb the balance.
One option could be to make a deliberate step up at some throttle position/rpm combination, making sure they are out of any traction related situation before they reach that point. In other words, the engine behaves just like before on in the turns but get some extra tweaks when full power are needed. Right now I doubt they have much more than the electronics to play with. With new engine parts that will change and the whole traction control and power mapping must be redone to get the same contolled poweroutput.Good point Fish. That is definitely one possible solution but I really don't think it's that simple. One of the advantages of the duke is it revs higher, allegedly 2000rpm higher than the Honda or Yamaha meaning more horsepower. Electronics aren't the only part of achieving that. You'd have to change the cams and cam gear as well and that' where I see the problem getting more complicated and the solution more elusive. To get the bike to drive and behave in a similar way from the same rpm as before, and make the most out of the extra rpm, would require a cam with a very long duration, too long to be of any use on a racebike. Yamaha and Honda face a hugely difficult job in finding a fairly sizeable bhp gain and retain the chassis/engine charecteristics they've worked on so hard and as far as they thought until Qatar, so well over the winter. Never mind the risk of engines shitting bolts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Mar 16 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A Ducati may win but they will not finish 1st and 2nd - infact i would be surprised if they both finish the same race - for whatever reasons.
The next circuit most probably won't suit their raw speed as it isn't as straight as Qatar. This is why I am stating this.

Hopper on the box...nothing else matters.

Valentino will win...enough said.

IF Yamaha can find some top end speed:

1: Rossi
2: Pedrosa (close until 4 laps to go)
3: Elias/Stoner

Jerez has a couple long straights and if Yamaha can't find the speed it'll be a long day so:

1: Stoner
2: Pedrosa
3: Rossi

SS