Jeremy Burgess Interview

A few big assumptions in this thread which I don't think are right.



"Stoner can't develop a bike everyone can ride". I don't believe that we have enough evidence to show this. Stoner rode around the issues to get the results he did, unfortunately this doesn't tell us anything about his feedback given to Ducati or whether or not the feedback was good enough so that Ducati could make the right decisions, or whether or not Ducati just did it on their own.



Rossi and team have not yet fixed the Ducati so until they do, no credit can be taken for that regardless of his history in that respect. If they do fix it firstly for Rossi and then for the other Ducati riders, then credit will absolutely be due. Development of a bike is a huge part of Motogp, and this can be more important than being the quickest rider for the reason that a quick rider on a bucket of poo will struggle to consistently win.



Rossi wasn't given the order to go out and break his neck trying to get the thing round the track as quick as the Hondas, he was given the mandate to change the bike, develop it and make it into a consistent competitor for more than one rider. This will take time and, given his injury recovery, one would expect it to take more time.



Barry - Stoner is not the first rider to swap manufacturers and then win so I'm not sure why this is so conclusive for you, especially given the Honda is arguably in far better shape than the bike he left so you would expect an improvement in his performance.

Stoner is copping .... for his lack of development of the Ducati.

Stoner made his own Duc as fast as possible for himeself, and to suit his own likes - why would he be concerned about trying to improve the Duc for the other Duc riders. Why should Stoner be judged by how well Melandri or Hayden have done, on the bike some are suggesting he developed (or didn't develop).

Last I looked, Stoner on the Ducati was still winning races and picking up podiums end of 2010, running competatively with the Yamahas and Hondas.

End of story !!

BHarvey said:

Rossi did well in 04 and 05, or two good years.



Followed by two bad years in 06/07.



Can you say, declining performance?

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No cos he beat Lorenzo and Stoner in 2008 and 2009, and never had a chance to beat a strong Lorenzo last year due to a broken leg.



Having said that, he still beat Stoner.



Can you say ......? Because that's exactly what you are .

Yep, I'm a tard and you are the only smart person here at PS.

It's funny how you cherry picked parts of my comment. I've never said Stoner want to see his team mates as good as him, I just said Stoner can't develop a bike for himself (and consequently for the others). And time will show it for you. Wait and see.

gui22a, you will have to forgive Nino the bopper.



He totally fails to see the great decline in Rossi's form in 06/07 compared to 01-05. Sure Rossi came back and won in 08/09, but that decline will be in the record books FOREVER.



10/11 will be the final decline.

Nino said:

No cos he beat Lorenzo and Stoner in 2008 and 2009, and never had a chance to beat a strong Lorenzo last year due to a broken leg.



Having said that, he still beat Stoner.

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Rossi 2004-2007 : 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.



Stoner 2007- 2010 : 1st, 2nd, 4th, 4th.



Both on a downward trend, but rossi less so than stoner. Of course what came after that showed rossi's decline was not permanent; stoner's decline may not be either, but he needs to win the next 2 championships to maintain some sort of parity with rossi. I think he has a chance, certainly for this year at least, but unlike you with regard to rossi's development of the ducati I make no assumption that he will.

woody996 said:

A few big assumptions in this thread which I don't think are right.



"Stoner can't develop a bike everyone can ride". I don't believe that we have enough evidence to show this. Stoner rode around the issues to get the results he did, unfortunately this doesn't tell us anything about his feedback given to Ducati or whether or not the feedback was good enough so that Ducati could make the right decisions, or whether or not Ducati just did it on their own.



Rossi and team have not yet fixed the Ducati so until they do, no credit can be taken for that regardless of his history in that respect. If they do fix it firstly for Rossi and then for the other Ducati riders, then credit will absolutely be due. Development of a bike is a huge part of Motogp, and this can be more important than being the quickest rider for the reason that a quick rider on a bucket of poo will struggle to consistently win.



Rossi wasn't given the order to go out and break his neck trying to get the thing round the track as quick as the Hondas, he was given the mandate to change the bike, develop it and make it into a consistent competitor for more than one rider. This will take time and, given his injury recovery, one would expect it to take more time.



Barry - Stoner is not the first rider to swap manufacturers and then win so I'm not sure why this is so conclusive for you, especially given the Honda is arguably in far better shape than the bike he left so you would expect an improvement in his performance.

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Okay I will bold the interesting part of the interview in my opinion. Seeing it's being glossed over.



Steve Parish : It's always been said that the Ducati is a true prototype, does that change the way you go about putting it all together?

Jeremy Burgess : Well it certainly does, hopefully we are going to change that mentality. There is a lot of things on the bike I feel could be improved.

From that point we want to bring it back more in a direction we're more used to working on over the years and Valentino as well.

We have got the full backing from Filippo Preziosi & everbody at Ducati to do exactly that. We are just waiting on the right direction & the time to do it.





If that doesn't sound like they are preparing a red Yamaha I'm not sure what does.

So my question is this. Would Ducati have moved heaven & earth for Stoner, Hayden, Melandri, Capirossi, etc etc as they are now prepared to do for Valentino?

I think the answer is obvious. So then how can anyone be compared to Valentino as far as development on a bike goes, when he always has the resources to go much further than anyone else on the grid.

Ducati are changing their DNA for him it seems.



They are prepared to completely rebuild a bike for Vale but Stoner & Hayden even last year had virtually the same bike at the start of the year as the end.

Is that a level playing field for development skills? Not even close. I mean Vale hasn't even had to go to the shrink yet

Talpa said:

he put the bike down in 3 races that year in a row, which cost him the title, simple. Some say it was because of pressure, this is not uncommon.







Jbs a straight talker and as usual very sure of himself, his rider and his team. This is very positive for the series to have them up to speed by midseason, I'm betting they will be and many will have to eat their scathing hatred once again. You of course are not one of these. But you must agree that the Ducati is well off consistently competative after Stoners reign, my point is that both rider and manufactuer are to blame.....

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I don't think the laguna seca 2008 lose was due to front end instability, it was a low speed crash due to inattention/rider error, like rossi's in the last race of 2006. I would agree that this crash cost him his chance at the championship, but not so much the subsequent two.



It is fair comment to say stoner and ducati both may be involved in the foibles of the 2010 and hence the current ducati, but if rossi and jb decide ducati need a major re-design like losing the current chassis design and/or material or ditching the L4 for a V4 I don't think it will be fair to attach too much blame to stoner. Ducati did fairly clearly imo choose to develop away from stoner in 2010, but only succeeded in making the bike's performance potential less for a marginal benefit of making the bike a little more ridable for other riders but at a slower pace and at the cost of instability, again imo.

Frizzle said:

Okay I will bold the interesting part of the interview in my opinion. Seeing it's being glossed over.



Steve Parish : It's always been said that the Ducati is a true prototype, does that change the way you go about putting it all together?

Jeremy Burgess : Well it certainly does, hopefully we are going to change that mentality. There is a lot of things on the bike I feel could be improved.

From that point we want to bring it back more in a direction we're more used to working on over the years and Valentino as well.

We have got the full backing from Filippo Preziosi & everbody at Ducati to do exactly that. We are just waiting on the right direction & the time to do it.





If that doesn't sound like they are preparing a red Yamaha I'm not sure what does.

So my question is this. Would Ducati have moved heaven & earth for Stoner, Hayden, Melandri, Capirossi, etc etc as they are now prepared to do for Valentino?

I think the answer is obvious. So then how can anyone be compared to Valentino as far as development on a bike goes, when he always has the resources to go much further than anyone else on the grid.

Ducati are changing their DNA for him it seems.



They are prepared to completely rebuild a bike for Vale but Stoner & Hayden even last year had virtually the same bike at the start of the year as the end.

Is that a level playing field for development skills? Not even close.

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Yes I do see what you are saying. The reason why they are going to move heaven and earth for Rossi/JB is because they are proven in the sense that they have done it before consistently and they know what is required to get there.



I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone else at all. It's simply a bit like this - they don't know what they need to do, JB/Rossi bring expertise from the other side of the pond, the Asian manufacturers, and they have not had this before, at least not to the same level of expertise. I read somewhere earlier that Honda poached Yamaha staff and that assisted with their return to the front at the end of last year. Sometimes, the manufacturer just needs the right staff to get there to have the confidence that they can do the big projects.



The riders previously chewed up by Ducati - e.g. Melandri, Capirossi, Hayden etc, did not bring the same level of expertise as they did not bring with them, i.e. JB and team. Ducati put question marks over the feedback from these riders and somehow Hayden has stuck there be it through excellent work ethic, attitude or whatever. Ducati also started to realise that it wasn't the rider it was the bike.



Ducati brought in JB/Rossi to turn the place upside down and get them back to being a contender. Stoner rode the wheels off it but the bike let him down. In a year when he was fully capable, Lorenzo absolutely thrashed him. I don't believe Lorenzo was that good, I believe the Ducati was that bad. I don't know whether Stoner was pointing them in the right direction, whether previously they were unwilling to turn the world upside down for Stoner knowing that his riding style is different to the other riders or what it was. When they hired Rossi, they did it with change in mind and with a view to changing the bike so that it was friendly to more riders. He is just part of the project. If they hadn't have hired Rossi and taken the big steps to try and fix the thing, I believe they would be floundering, without direction and it could even kill off their motogp bid. If they couldn't make a competitive bike and it was a career ender for anyone that went there, they would slowly die off.



Ducati must rebuild the thing, they can't with their previous staff or they don't have the confidence in the direction they would be heading. Rossi and JB are proven and therefore balance out the risk with the huge expenditure in fixing it. Honda would probably spend more than what Ducati is spending to fix the thing every year trying to keep at the front of Motogp. Pedrosa, Stoner, Dovizioso and co would have far more R&D going into their machines on an ongoing basis. Ducati are effectively mortgaging the house and throwing everything at it to get back into the game. It is do or die for them rather than an effort to provide Rossi with unfair benefits. He was just the right "tool" for the job.



Having said that, they obviously have a lot of work to do to get where they want to be.

Frizzle, its a pleasure to read ur posts.

woody996 said:

Yes I do see what you are saying. The reason why they are going to move heaven and earth for Rossi/JB is because they are proven in the sense that they have done it before consistently and they know what is required to get there.



I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone else at all. It's simply a bit like this - they don't know what they need to do, JB/Rossi bring expertise from the other side of the pond, the Asian manufacturers, and they have not had this before, at least not to the same level of expertise. I read somewhere earlier that Honda poached Yamaha staff and that assisted with their return to the front at the end of last year. Sometimes, the manufacturer just needs the right staff to get there to have the confidence that they can do the big projects.



The riders previously chewed up by Ducati - e.g. Melandri, Capirossi, Hayden etc, did not bring the same level of expertise as they did not bring with them, i.e. JB and team. Ducati put question marks over the feedback from these riders and somehow Hayden has stuck there be it through excellent work ethic, attitude or whatever. Ducati also started to realise that it wasn't the rider it was the bike.



Ducati brought in JB/Rossi to turn the place upside down and get them back to being a contender. Stoner rode the wheels off it but the bike let him down. In a year when he was fully capable, Lorenzo absolutely thrashed him. I don't believe Lorenzo was that good, I believe the Ducati was that bad. I don't know whether Stoner was pointing them in the right direction, whether previously they were unwilling to turn the world upside down for Stoner knowing that his riding style is different to the other riders or what it was. When they hired Rossi, they did it with change in mind and with a view to changing the bike so that it was friendly to more riders. He is just part of the project. If they hadn't have hired Rossi and taken the big steps to try and fix the thing, I believe they would be floundering, without direction and it could even kill off their motogp bid. If they couldn't make a competitive bike and it was a career ender for anyone that went there, they would slowly die off.



Ducati must rebuild the thing, they can't with their previous staff or they don't have the confidence in the direction they would be heading. Rossi and JB are proven and therefore balance out the risk with the huge expenditure in fixing it. Honda would probably spend more than what Ducati is spending to fix the thing every year trying to keep at the front of Motogp. Pedrosa, Stoner, Dovizioso and co would have far more R&D going into their machines on an ongoing basis. Ducati are effectively mortgaging the house and throwing everything at it to get back into the game. It is do or die for them rather than an effort to provide Rossi with unfair benefits. He was just the right "tool" for the job.



Having said that, they obviously have a lot of work to do to get where they want to be.

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Good posts Woody & fair points. But Ducati could just have done what Honda did & grab some tech guys from Yamaha and/or Honda at a far cheaper price to get that done.

My point still stands. I don't think any other rider on the grid would have got the benefit of Ducati completely overhauling their bike to make it more like the Japanese manufacturers bikes.

There still is no level playing field, so how can anyone judge any riders development skills when one season for the riders they say. This is your bike do your best until the end of the year. Then the next the team has a free reign to do whatever it takes to make the bike a winner? Do you think Stoner, Hayden Melandri & co would not have enjoyed that sort of team effort to fix the front end and get the bike turning better?

I bet they would have been over the moon but it will never happen in their lifetime because they aren't Valentino Rossi. How much pressure do you think Ducati are under right now from their fans & Vale's fans to get that bike sorted? They had bugger all pressure in years gone by, now it's coming out their ears. Hell people were even saying their bike was the best on the grid & they looked like geniuses. Preziosi was often desribed as the genius behind the desmo. Now people even on this forum are calling the bike a POS. They are also going to throw a truck load of money into a bike that will be obsolete by years end with the new spec bikes. Crazy decision I would have thought. Especially if the title may have been out of the question by middle of the season. I would have thought all their R&D would have gone into next years bike to get that bike competitive from day 1. It shows what kind of presure Ducati are under in my opinion.

Jumkie said:

Frizzle, its a pleasure to read ur posts.

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Suprise, suprise...

Frizzle said:

Good posts Woody & fair points. But Ducati could just have done what Honda did & grab some tech guys from Yamaha and/or Honda at a far cheaper price to get that done.

My point still stands. I don't think any other rider on the grid would have got the benefit of Ducati completely overhauling their bike to make it more like the Japanese manufacturers bikes.

There still is no level playing field, so how can anyone judge any riders development skills when one season for the riders they say. This is your bike do your best until the end of the year. Then the next the team has a free reign to do whatever it takes to make the bike a winner? Do you think Stoner, Hayden Melandri & co would not have enjoyed that sort of team effort to fix the front end and get the bike turning better?

I bet they would have been over the moon but it will never happen in their lifetime because they aren't Valentino Rossi. How much pressure do you think Ducati are under right now from their fans & Vale's fans to get that bike sorted? They had bugger all pressure in years gone by, now it's coming out their ears. Hell people were even saying their bike was the best on the grid & they looked like geniuses. Preziosi was often desribed as the genius behind the desmo. Now people even on this forum are calling the bike a POS. They are also going to throw a truck load of money into a bike that will be obsolete by years end with the new spec bikes. Crazy decision I would have thought. Especially if the title may have been out of the question by middle of the season. I would have thought all their R&D would have gone into next years bike to get that bike competitive from day 1. It shows what kind of presure Ducati are under in my opinion.

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I still think that Ducati were acting in desparation when they took this road. They lost Stoner last year, they couldn't get Lorenzo and Rossi was the only one available. I think they needed one of those three on their team to have a chance at the championship in the near future. They didn't turn the bike upside down for Stoner - inexplicably I guess. Maybe it took time for it to sink in that it was rubbish and by the time they got to the point that they knew they had to make big changes, Stoner was gone. Maybe the decision to turn the bike upside down was taken because Stoner had left knowing that they were f'd if they left it as it was.

Rossi went to Ducati at an opportune time. Do you think this would have been different if he went there back in 2004 when the manufacturer believed the bike was all that and more?



Yes it would be cheaper to pinch a few tech guys from Yamaha/Honda however I think they needed to do this plus have one of the proven top level riders when basing their whole development project around their feedback.



Now, level playing field? I don't think it is from the perspective that some riders manage to get more resources than others within the same team. However, there is an art in getting that treatment or those benefits so this should be taken into account as well. It does seem that Spanish/Italian riders have more ability to secure this than American/Australian riders though.



The question still remains comparatively whether or not the investment by Ducati in rectifying the POS is more or less than Honda/Yamaha spend each year. If it is comparable or less, Rossi is not gaining an advantage over riders with those manufacturers, in fact, the spend will be an attempt to level the field rather than leave Ducati languishing. We don't know the level of spending by each manufacturer. We do know however that the Ducati lagged behind on this side of things in the past. Is Ducati not just levelling the playing field for Rossi back to Stoner/Lorenzo and co? If Ducati were spending $5m each year and Honda Yamaha were spending $15m each, Ducati throwing another $10m at their frontline bike just levels the playing field to Honda/Yamaha.

BHarvey said:

gui22a, you will have to forgive Nino the bopper.



He totally fails to see the great decline in Rossi's form in 06/07 compared to 01-05. Sure Rossi came back and won in 08/09, but that decline will be in the record books FOREVER.



10/11 will be the final decline.

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let's just sweep that under the carpet.



Rossi was fractions away from the title in 2006. Stoner wasn't even that close in 2008.

woody996 said:

Yes I do see what you are saying. The reason why they are going to move heaven and earth for Rossi/JB is because they are proven in the sense that they have done it before consistently and they know what is required to get there.



I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone else at all. It's simply a bit like this - they don't know what they need to do, JB/Rossi bring expertise from the other side of the pond, the Asian manufacturers, and they have not had this before, at least not to the same level of expertise. I read somewhere earlier that Honda poached Yamaha staff and that assisted with their return to the front at the end of last year. Sometimes, the manufacturer just needs the right staff to get there to have the confidence that they can do the big projects.



The riders previously chewed up by Ducati - e.g. Melandri, Capirossi, Hayden etc, did not bring the same level of expertise as they did not bring with them, i.e. JB and team. Ducati put question marks over the feedback from these riders and somehow Hayden has stuck there be it through excellent work ethic, attitude or whatever. Ducati also started to realise that it wasn't the rider it was the bike.



Ducati brought in JB/Rossi to turn the place upside down and get them back to being a contender. Stoner rode the wheels off it but the bike let him down. In a year when he was fully capable, Lorenzo absolutely thrashed him. I don't believe Lorenzo was that good, I believe the Ducati was that bad. I don't know whether Stoner was pointing them in the right direction, whether previously they were unwilling to turn the world upside down for Stoner knowing that his riding style is different to the other riders or what it was. When they hired Rossi, they did it with change in mind and with a view to changing the bike so that it was friendly to more riders. He is just part of the project. If they hadn't have hired Rossi and taken the big steps to try and fix the thing, I believe they would be floundering, without direction and it could even kill off their motogp bid. If they couldn't make a competitive bike and it was a career ender for anyone that went there, they would slowly die off.



Ducati must rebuild the thing, they can't with their previous staff or they don't have the confidence in the direction they would be heading. Rossi and JB are proven and therefore balance out the risk with the huge expenditure in fixing it. Honda would probably spend more than what Ducati is spending to fix the thing every year trying to keep at the front of Motogp. Pedrosa, Stoner, Dovizioso and co would have far more R&D going into their machines on an ongoing basis. Ducati are effectively mortgaging the house and throwing everything at it to get back into the game. It is do or die for them rather than an effort to provide Rossi with unfair benefits. He was just the right "tool" for the job.



Having said that, they obviously have a lot of work to do to get where they want to be.

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How can it be described as unfair when Honda have been throwing the kitchen sink at their bike for years?

Frizzle said:

Okay I will bold the interesting part of the interview in my opinion. Seeing it's being glossed over.



Steve Parish : It's always been said that the Ducati is a true prototype, does that change the way you go about putting it all together?

Jeremy Burgess : Well it certainly does, hopefully we are going to change that mentality. There is a lot of things on the bike I feel could be improved.

From that point we want to bring it back more in a direction we're more used to working on over the years and Valentino as well.

We have got the full backing from Filippo Preziosi & everbody at Ducati to do exactly that. We are just waiting on the right direction & the time to do it.





If that doesn't sound like they are preparing a red Yamaha I'm not sure what does.

So my question is this. Would Ducati have moved heaven & earth for Stoner, Hayden, Melandri, Capirossi, etc etc as they are now prepared to do for Valentino?

I think the answer is obvious. So then how can anyone be compared to Valentino as far as development on a bike goes, when he always has the resources to go much further than anyone else on the grid.

Ducati are changing their DNA for him it seems.



They are prepared to completely rebuild a bike for Vale but Stoner & Hayden even last year had virtually the same bike at the start of the year as the end.

Is that a level playing field for development skills? Not even close. I mean Vale hasn't even had to go to the shrink yet

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http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-rossi-mistake-to-copy-yamaha/P1

"We need to concentrate on the good things of the Ducati and try to fix the bad things. To have a bike that is easier is a great idea especially for the race and we are working in this direction."



Rossi is a fan of the Ducati's engine performance and rear traction, a weakness of the M1, and likes the braking stability but he is still struggling to have the bike turning as he would like.

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See that. Rossi and Burgess are concentrating on the bikes strong points. They're not going to radically overhaul it. All these excuses for Stoner's lack of development in four years at Ducati, and his overall decline in performance are lame.

woody996 said:

Yes I do see what you are saying. The reason why they are going to move heaven and earth for Rossi/JB is because they are proven in the sense that they have done it before consistently and they know what is required to get there.



I'm not saying this to beat down on anyone else at all. It's simply a bit like this - they don't know what they need to do, JB/Rossi bring expertise from the other side of the pond, the Asian manufacturers, and they have not had this before, at least not to the same level of expertise. I read somewhere earlier that Honda poached Yamaha staff and that assisted with their return to the front at the end of last year. Sometimes, the manufacturer just needs the right staff to get there to have the confidence that they can do the big projects.



The riders previously chewed up by Ducati - e.g. Melandri, Capirossi, Hayden etc, did not bring the same level of expertise as they did not bring with them, i.e. JB and team. Ducati put question marks over the feedback from these riders and somehow Hayden has stuck there be it through excellent work ethic, attitude or whatever. Ducati also started to realise that it wasn't the rider it was the bike.



Ducati brought in JB/Rossi to turn the place upside down and get them back to being a contender. Stoner rode the wheels off it but the bike let him down. In a year when he was fully capable, Lorenzo absolutely thrashed him. I don't believe Lorenzo was that good, I believe the Ducati was that bad. I don't know whether Stoner was pointing them in the right direction, whether previously they were unwilling to turn the world upside down for Stoner knowing that his riding style is different to the other riders or what it was. When they hired Rossi, they did it with change in mind and with a view to changing the bike so that it was friendly to more riders. He is just part of the project. If they hadn't have hired Rossi and taken the big steps to try and fix the thing, I believe they would be floundering, without direction and it could even kill off their motogp bid. If they couldn't make a competitive bike and it was a career ender for anyone that went there, they would slowly die off.



Ducati must rebuild the thing, they can't with their previous staff or they don't have the confidence in the direction they would be heading. Rossi and JB are proven and therefore balance out the risk with the huge expenditure in fixing it. Honda would probably spend more than what Ducati is spending to fix the thing every year trying to keep at the front of Motogp. Pedrosa, Stoner, Dovizioso and co would have far more R&D going into their machines on an ongoing basis. Ducati are effectively mortgaging the house and throwing everything at it to get back into the game. It is do or die for them rather than an effort to provide Rossi with unfair benefits. He was just the right "tool" for the job.



Having said that, they obviously have a lot of work to do to get where they want to be.

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Phuleeez. They brought Rossi in because having the most beloved Italian rider in 30 years is the marketing coup of the century.



It's not a question of "confidence". Ducati's going against the grain, idiosyncratic design philosophy has been their predominant

marketing identity since day one. They have made "interesting" bikes aimed at customers who required something exotic and

eye-catching, regardless of poor performance since as long as I can remember. I just finished reading an interview in RRW with

Preziosi and he said that when he was a kid nobody in Europe wanted a Ducati because the performance, suspension, brakes, etc.

were such a joke.



What has prevented Ducati from building a better MGP bike - has been their prideful, arrogant, stubborn insistence on not copying

tried and true engineering techniques mastered by the Japanese.



Having spent the big bucks to hire "The GOAT" and knowing they don't want spend the next few decades with egg on their faces

as a result of losing multiple championships with Ro$$i on board - has forced Ducati to swallow their pride and do the needful.

Keshav said:

Phuleeez. They brought Rossi in because having the most beloved Italian rider in 30 years is the marketing coup of the century.



It's not a question of "confidence". Ducati's going against the

grain, idiosyncratic design philosophy has been their

predominant

marketing identity since day one. They have made "interesting"

bikes aimed at customers who required something exotic and

eye-catching, regardless of poor performance since as long as I

can remember. I just finished reading an interview in RRW with

Preziosi and he said that when he was a kid nobody in Europe

wanted a Ducati because the performance, suspension, brakes,

etc.

were such a joke.



What has prevented Ducati from building a better MGP bike -

has been their prideful, arrogant, stubborn insistence on not

copying

tried and true engineering techniques mastered by the

Japanese.



Having spent the big bucks to hire "The GOAT" and knowing

they don't want spend the next few decades with egg on their

faces

as a result of losing multiple championships with Ro$$i on board

- has forced Ducati to swallow their pride and do the needful.

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you don't happen to think that the fact that their no 1 and only successful 800cc pilot also threw it away a lot last season making the bike uncompetative for all, was also a good reason to promote change......

Talpa said:

you don't happen to think that the fact that their no 1 and only successful 800cc pilot also threw it away a lot last season making the bike uncompetative for all, was also a good reason to promote change......

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Not really, if Rossi would hav done at least as good as Stoner, tweeking would hav been the order, not revamping.



Btw, Nino & Rob make u sound decent.