Jeremy Burgess Interview

michaelm · Mar 31, 2011

Nino said:
Yes, except Stoner was constantly moaning about the bile at Ducati, yet showed no ability to turn things around.

Instead he regressed. Who gives .... about development? I'm pretty sure the Ducati engineers weren't thrilled when their rider wasn't able to give them good feedback. Hence they weren't bothered about seeing him leave and targeted Lorenzo and Rossi.

Of course many people view that as s mistake, but what will people say if Rossi is able to make the bike more rideable, and be fast on it?

Actually, I already know what you will say - 'But, but Rossi had Ducati's ear!'

Actually he never moaned publicly about the bike while he was at ducati, nor did he moan about the lcr honda or its michelin tyres while he was contracted to them; traditionally known as being professional I believe.

If valentino fixes the current bike , great congratulations will be in order. If this requires a change in the engine configuration and a change in the chassis design for the next bike, but it is nevertheless a good bike, plaudits will still be his due but I don't see that much blame will attach to stoner.

I think they went after lorenzo because they thought stoner was flaky and that lorenzo would be better from the public relations/promotional point of view, although I am not sure the latter is necessarily true. This year will demonstrate whether lorenzo has bike development ability; I am not sure there is any more evidence that he can develop than there is evidence that stoner can thus far, although he obviously is pretty good at setting up bikes.

povol · Mar 31, 2011

Both riders on factory bikes

Stoner

1 Championship

24 wins

22 poles

1117 points

---------------------------------

Rossi

2 championships

21 wins

14 poles

1162 points

---------------------------

Lets revisit this at the end of the year

BarryMachine · Mar 31, 2011

Talpa said:
I was asked to give a comparison, that's what I did. At present while they've been competing against each other Rossi has it as well, well and truly

Points;

Rossi 1400

Stoner 1092

championships;

Rossi 2 wins, 2 thirds, 1 second

Stoner 1 win, 1 second, 1 eighth, 2 fouths

wins;

Rossi 26

Stoner 24

podiums;

Rossi 58

Stoner 43

Any more Stats you need? Stoner hasn't beaten Rossi in any of these stats since they have been competing against each other......makes a fair point for my answer...

Yeah there was one stat. needed.

Because we didn't know a lot about Stoner because he was a rookie in 06, then whooped them in 07 , and then was still obviously the fastest guy out there ...... folk started to suspect the Ducati. Especially when all other Duc. riders seemed atrocious.

The Boppers kept saying no the bike is amazing, but folk just thought it was poppycock. The stat.s, as you have them above dod not reflect what everyone saw each week ie. "Stoner is the best rider out there".

So Rossi has answered that ...... hows the stat.s on Rossi on the Ducati.

Wait a few months and its looking like many of your stat.s there will be already in Stoners favor as well

No wonder you guys hate him.

Even the boppers believe Stoner is the best, hell Lorenzo won in 2010 and are the boppers worried about him ?

No its the real nemesis for their idea of who is the GOAT that i really at risk ........ Stoner

Talpa · Mar 31, 2011

povol said:
Both riders on factory bikes

Stoner

1 Championship

24 wins

22 poles

1117 points

--------------------------------

Ross

2 championships

21 wins

14 poles

1162 points

---------------------------

Lets revisit this at the end of the year

are ok, so we can only compare them how you want to....I thought the comparison was based on the time they were competing against each other?

Isn't stoner a riding god? How could a little issue like a non factory bike be a problem, it was an rc211v, jeez krjr only had the engine and beat him....

Oh it's tyres then, must be.

Ok then let's compare them since they've been on the same tyres then shall we

Rossi

2 titles

17 wins

40 podiums

stoner

0 titles

13 wins

28 podiums

Factory bikes, same tyre supplier......

frizzle · Mar 31, 2011

Talpa said:
are ok, so we can only compare them how you want to....I thought the comparison was based on the time they were competing against each other?

Isn't stoner a riding god? How could a little issue like a non factory bike be a problem, it was an rc211v, jeez krjr only had the engine and beat him....

Oh it's tyres then, must be.

Ok then let's compare them since they've been on the same tyres then shall we

Rossi

2 titles

17 wins

40 podiums

stoner

0 titles

13 wins

28 podiums

Factory bikes, same tyre supplier......

They are both on factory bikes now too, but I'd say one is at a distinct disadvantage. Just like the other guy was when he was on a Ducati.

I don't know why we keep throwing up these stats. Both sides can just manipulate them anyway they want.

Is anyone at all looking at either stats and going wow? I don't think so. The only thing you can say is that it's been close overall.

cliche guevara · Mar 31, 2011

i'd like to hear nino justify why rossi always chooses the softest and slowest engine,given that even the softer,slower big bang that has been used in preperation to make the bike easier is apparently to much for him.

i think its what i already suspected in another thread

not that i think a couple of horsepower make much of a difference ,especially if you can't make use of them, but a possible advantage or at least step forward can be found by changing back to screamer.

i'd pay good money to see rossi with an additional 20hp,if he upped his pace to match stoners he'd benefit from a faster engine

notabikerther4useless · Apr 1, 2011

All you haters slagging off Rossi are going to look QUITE THE FOOLS when the man gets in the groove.

Rossi is STILL an above average rider and I firmly believe there's every chance that guys like Aoyama and Crutchlow are going to find that out soon enough.

cliche guevara · Apr 1, 2011

notabikerther4useless said:
All you haters slagging off Rossi are going to look QUITE THE FOOLS when the man gets in the groove.

Rossi is STILL an above average rider and I firmly believe there's every chance that guys like Aoyama and Crutchlow are going to find that out soon enough.

so now the goal has been lowered to outrace crutchlow and aoyama?

I see him in 5th place at the end of the year

notabikerther4useless · Apr 1, 2011

cliché guevara said:
so now the goal has been lowered to outrace crutchlow and aoyama?

I see him in 5th place at the end of the year

Aoyama is quite good and his back injury is almost healed. Probably. And Crutch might even be better than Toseland one day.

cliche guevara · Apr 1, 2011

notabikerther4useless said:
Aoyama is quite good and his back injury is almost healed. Probably. And Crutch might even be better than Toseland one day.

sure , i think aoyama and crutchlow are good!i'm very happy aoyama took the last 250 titles away from sic...

but concerning 2011 just beating the likes of aoyama and especially crutchlow (non factory machine) can't be the target for a 9 time world champion!

if he can't match stoners results he needs to be at least close to them rather before he gets a new bike,there's a reputation at stake

Mick D · Apr 1, 2011

Keshav said:
Folks who have been around PS a while have noted that the people with the least brains and integrity

are the ones who most frequently resort to juvenile name calling lieu of any capacity for

intelligent debate. Not, I believe, coincidentally, they are always the ones that are

perpetually angry and incapable of making any friends. Does that ring a bell?

Classic Kesh.

Nino said:
says random guy on the internet

Uh oh...

Keshav said:
Says all of us here who have been around for multiple years - to some

new face on the forum. Do you really even understand the meaning

of random?

Yes he's not really aware of the fact that meet-ups are legendary and bonds formed here are genuine... Random seems to have replaced the word "other" in the urban vernacular...

Keshav said:
That's like saying Rossi was faster in the past than Stoner is in the present.

The only thing that really matters (if you're comparing the two) is what they've accomplished while competing

against each other.

Rossi is older and has a glorious past. Stoner is younger and has an incredibly promising future.

To say definitively that Rossi is the faster rider - makes no sense as the evidence of Stoner's victories

over Rossi clearly says otherwise. What you can say definitively is Rossi who is 7 years Stoner's senior

has more titles.

Ahhh Kesh. The whole Rossi/Casey so-.......-called debate is so deeply mired in this .... that its become massively boring... Good post, 'nuff said.

Nino · Apr 1, 2011

BHarvey said:
Well, Rossi was whining about his shoulder at the end of 2010, and at the beginning of 2011 he is still whining about it, which means EVEN IF he was still at Yamaha, he would STILL be whining about the shoulder and saying it was costing him.

Well he had his shoulder operation in November.

Nino · Apr 1, 2011

Frizzle said:
As I said money talks, not development skills. The rest of your post is your opinion because you want it to be. None of it is based on anything other than that.

I'll stick with Stoner & Haydens statements instead if it's all the same to you?

I couldn't care less what you do, the reality is that Stoner sulks a lot and he got progressively worse at Ducati.

You can cry all you like - doesn't stop it being true.

Nino · Apr 1, 2011

cliché guevara said:
i'd like to hear nino justify why rossi always chooses the softest and slowest engine,given that even the softer,slower big bang that has been used in preperation to make the bike easier is apparently to much for him.

i think its what i already suspected in another thread

not that i think a couple of horsepower make much of a difference ,especially if you can't make use of them, but a possible advantage or at least step forward can be found by changing back to screamer.

i'd pay good money to see rossi with an additional 20hp,if he upped his pace to match stoners he'd benefit from a faster engine

He wants smoother power delivery. Burgess has said they'll starting using a heavier crankshaft to reduce understeer on the bike.

Stoner is a thrasher, Rossi has a smoother riding style, and it's served him very well when you consider his multiple championships.

frizzle · Apr 1, 2011

Nino said:
I couldn't care less what you do, the reality is that Stoner sulks a lot and he got progressively worse at Ducati.

You can cry all you like - doesn't stop it being true.

Crying? I don't think so. I bet you've come here straight from crashnet right?

It's just I prefer quotes from people on the inside rather than your yellow fantasy.

So go ahead & waffle on all you like. No one buys it anyway.

Keshav · Apr 1, 2011

Talpa said:
Fair Enough, though its a long time since 2007 and some of those gripes were justified back then, 7th place first time out on a very inconsistent machine, just beaten by the man who took his spot on the factory Yamaha, considering current 'H' seriously revitalized technical competition, also with injury might be far better than you think.....Stoner is Brilliant yes, and so are the others. Jorge rode a far more impressive race at Qatar in fact. Stoners capacity to consistently ride that bike successfully had gone after 2008.

Hayden may have been denigrated wrongly yes, but its fair to say that he hasn't even come close to repeating his 2006 efforts, and I'm a fan!

You are seriously mis-reading the dialogue, Rossi fans have been slagged yes, but much more so Rossi has been. Two wrongs don't make a right......you are now slagging like the slaggers for exactly the same thing that they were being slagged for slagging on.....

Except far more petty and imaginary as the Rider being slagged has a record leagues ahead of the others....

???

That makes you a hypocrite and a slagger!

Lessons still haven't been learnt after 2006-07. It would be far more intelligent to keep your .... in your trousers and wait and see as Michm is doing before slagging, for if it turns, as it well could, the current slaggers will be, rightly so, slagged into oblivion!

Regarding Hayden - nobody is arguing this point. Hayden fans have acquired an exalted Shia-like demeanor post 2006.

At least we don't parade yearly in the streets flogging ourselves to morn the passing of his career.

But then again

neither do Schwantz fans and he too only won a single championship.

Look around and see if you can find any posts by me bad-mouthing Rossi.

Edit: actually I think about 4 years ago I believe I said he had a face like

a wizened monkey. But I never discounted his skill as a racer.

Nino · Apr 1, 2011

Frizzle said:
Crying? I don't think so. I bet you've come here straight from crashnet right?

It's just I prefer quotes from people on the inside rather than your yellow fantasy.

So go ahead & waffle on all you like. No one buys it anyway.

If it's waffle, why are you replying to me?

Ignore me by all means, just stop crying.

cliche guevara · Apr 1, 2011

Nino said:
He wants smoother power delivery. Burgess has said they'll starting using a heavier crankshaft to reduce understeer on the bike.

Stoner is a thrasher, Rossi has a smoother riding style, and it's served him very well when you consider his multiple championships.

i'm just asking because you were insisting that a big part of the reason why rossi is slower on the duc than stoner was (especially in 07) was because he didn't have the straight horsepower advantage stoner had but now its proven that there would be no way he'd benefit from a more powerful engine when even the current,much more tame and smooth version is a bit too much.

i thought it was interesting to see rossi sliding it on the inside curbs a lot , stoner was the only other rider to do that from what i've seen.

maybe rossi needs just a little more time to learn stoners tricks before they proceed in castrating the duc............

dwoodhouse · Apr 1, 2011

Keshav said:
Regarding Hayden - nobody is arguing this point. Hayden fans have acquired an exalted Shia-like demeanor post 2006.

At least we don't parade yearly in the streets flogging ourselves to morn the passing of his career.

But then again

neither do Schwantz fans and he too only won a single championship.

Look around and see if you can find any posts by me bad-mouthing Rossi.

Edit: actually I think about 4 years ago I believe I said he had a face like

a wizened monkey. But I never discounted his skill as a racer.

As much of a fan of Rossi I am, I have always thought he loooks like a monkey... as does my wife.

povol · Apr 1, 2011

woody996 said:
As much of a fan of Rossi I am, I have always thought he loooks like a monkey... as does my wife.

Your wife will be glad to know that you think she looks like a monkey

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