Is now the time to march Dani to the gallows?
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Talpa
I am not sure.
I think Valentino would beat Dani without the fuel rules, but he probably would beat him even with the current fuel rules if they swapped bikes. I don't know how much difference it would make against MM and Jorge, now that it seems likely he is no longer in his prime.
I am not sure.
I think Valentino would beat Dani without the fuel rules, but he probably would beat him even with the current fuel rules if they swapped bikes. I don't know how much difference it would make against MM and Jorge, now that it seems likely he is no longer in his prime.
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povol
As much as I dislike that clown Rossi....... in his prime, WhoreHey Lorentho would have a tough time beating him. Maybe in a few odd races but not consistently.
As much as I dislike that clown Rossi....... in his prime, WhoreHey Lorentho would have a tough time beating him. Maybe in a few odd races but not consistently.
povol
Rather simplistic look at it don't you think, unsurprising knowing your extreme bias.
At what point does the fuel management cut the power? And by how much? Is it the same for all riders? How does weight affect the loss of power, how does wind resistance and riding style affect the loss of power? How much does the rubber contribute to getting the right amount of power to the ground for the fuel management both in and out of the corner? And how much of this is dependent on weight and size? How does the fuel management for the current M1, built for Lorenzo and his unique style, adversely affect later, harder brakers such as Rossi and Cal, considering the high importance placed on engine braking and fuel consumption?
Rather simplistic look at it don't you think, unsurprising knowing your extreme bias.
At what point does the fuel management cut the power? And by how much? Is it the same for all riders? How does weight affect the loss of power, how does wind resistance and riding style affect the loss of power? How much does the rubber contribute to getting the right amount of power to the ground for the fuel management both in and out of the corner? And how much of this is dependent on weight and size? How does the fuel management for the current M1, built for Lorenzo and his unique style, adversely affect later, harder brakers such as Rossi and Cal, considering the high importance placed on engine braking and fuel consumption?
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Even Rossi is not suggesting that his weight is the major issue. His physical size might marginally add to his fuel economy issues (ie. an aero issue), but a few kg's is not going to make that much difference. If he was qualifying on pole and just losing out in the closing stages on an emptying tank, it would be a more believable theory.
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Talpa
Again, if that 3-4 pounds is the difference between running 15 seconds off the pace, lose 3-4 pounds. I noticed twice in your statement, you cryptically brought up Rossi's height now that the slight difference in weight doesnt fit the narrative any longer. Is that the next excuse. Dude, Rossi is no longer the dominant force in GP. Say it until it sinks in. He may win a race here and there, but those will be circumstantial, injury or crash to JL or MM, wet race, etc: etc: At no time will he beat those two on a dry track with both healthy
Again, if that 3-4 pounds is the difference between running 15 seconds off the pace, lose 3-4 pounds. I noticed twice in your statement, you cryptically brought up Rossi's height now that the slight difference in weight doesnt fit the narrative any longer. Is that the next excuse. Dude, Rossi is no longer the dominant force in GP. Say it until it sinks in. He may win a race here and there, but those will be circumstantial, injury or crash to JL or MM, wet race, etc: etc: At no time will he beat those two on a dry track with both healthy
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Wouldn't additional pounds help a rider to put more weight unto the tires, thus increasing grip? Just like with tires in itself, the slightest of pressure can mean alot of difference.
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Sloth_27
If you look at analysis, Rossi's lose of time is linear throughout the race. Its not like he he is 3-4 seconds behind after 2/3rds of the race, then suddenly drops 10 seconds in the last 1/3rd. That does not suggest fuel management shutting him down,that suggests he is constantly slower than the top 3 lap after lap.
If you look at analysis, Rossi's lose of time is linear throughout the race. Its not like he he is 3-4 seconds behind after 2/3rds of the race, then suddenly drops 10 seconds in the last 1/3rd. That does not suggest fuel management shutting him down,that suggests he is constantly slower than the top 3 lap after lap.
povol
So your saying you don't have a clue what your talking about then? Otherwise explain why his height and weight wouldn't be a disadvantage? Why is there a minimum weight reg in Moto2 and not Motogp?
When does the fuel managment kick in? Throughout the race or at the end? Why aren't their more manufacturers in the series? Why are there only 4 reasonably competative bikes, 2 of those are borderline. Either way the debate is not just about Rossi, moreso about what we are watching-which is far more predominantly an choked engineering display based on silly regulations-not true prototypes, in fact you could basically say these machines are the opposite. We know for fact, that the bikes are programmed to last the race and preserve the engine, the riders are not making these decisions, the ECU is, as well as how much power goes to the rear wheel at any given point around the whole circuit via GPS. Of course there are still many more factors involved for the riders to influence, but ultimately we all know they are strangled.
If this continues, I believe road racing will suffer immensely.
So your saying you don't have a clue what your talking about then? Otherwise explain why his height and weight wouldn't be a disadvantage? Why is there a minimum weight reg in Moto2 and not Motogp?
When does the fuel managment kick in? Throughout the race or at the end? Why aren't their more manufacturers in the series? Why are there only 4 reasonably competative bikes, 2 of those are borderline. Either way the debate is not just about Rossi, moreso about what we are watching-which is far more predominantly an choked engineering display based on silly regulations-not true prototypes, in fact you could basically say these machines are the opposite. We know for fact, that the bikes are programmed to last the race and preserve the engine, the riders are not making these decisions, the ECU is, as well as how much power goes to the rear wheel at any given point around the whole circuit via GPS. Of course there are still many more factors involved for the riders to influence, but ultimately we all know they are strangled.
If this continues, I believe road racing will suffer immensely.
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Talpa.... you are by far the biggest and most delusional Rossi fan in Powerslide, which only makes Rossi's FAIL this year all the sweeter.
But then again you'll always have an excuse, just like Rossi..... like how Rossi purposely broke his leg to have an excuse to lose out to Lorenzo on his championship run. AND how he will from now on always have the excuse of "he's past his prime". Fuccin' Rossi. Annoying as hell.
But then again you'll always have an excuse, just like Rossi..... like how Rossi purposely broke his leg to have an excuse to lose out to Lorenzo on his championship run. AND how he will from now on always have the excuse of "he's past his prime". Fuccin' Rossi. Annoying as hell.
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Fuel regs began in 2004......The current 21L Fuel Regulations were introduced in 2007 and have remained static to this day.....
http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Basics/fuel
Didnt prevent Rossi winning titles in 2008/2009 so why is it any different now? Well OBVIOUSLY it isnt....this is just another lame excuse by the most devoted Rossi-centric zealot to ever grace a bike racing internet forum. And the purpose of said excuse? To denigrate ALL the other worthy title wiiners who won within that timeframe.
Must try harder Talpa....Rossi himself has come out with more and better excuses in the last three years as to why he isnt competitive than even you. Looking back at the headlines from just ONE PUBLICATION over the past few months its obvious he is blaming everyone but himself....
Valentino Rossi needs faster starts to strengthen podium bid
Valentino Rossi bemoans early speed at Silverstone
New chassis joins Rossi and Lorenzo’s Yamaha wish list
Valentino Rossi urges Yamaha to upgrade M1
Valentino Rossi seeks improved corner entry
No qualifying joy again for Valentino Rossi
Valentino Rossi rues blowing podium chance in France
Valentino Rossi still not comfortable on YZR-M1
New chassis joins Rossi and Lorenzo’s Yamaha wish list
Valentino Rossi rejects new Yamaha chassis
Valentino Rossi worried by Honda form
Rossi eager for Yamaha gearbox upgrade
etc etc etc.....
If I wanted to look back at seasons 2011/2012 - well we heard every excuse imaginable during that period as to why he wasnt competitive and I would need 10 pages to list them all.
Bottom line - he has won 2 races in the past 4 seasons and both of those were due to circumstance (2010 - JLO not wanting to risk a title, 2013 JLO + DP out with busted collarbones). His alien license was revoked November 9th 2010 and he has yet to have it re-issued. Deal with it!
http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Basics/fuel
Didnt prevent Rossi winning titles in 2008/2009 so why is it any different now? Well OBVIOUSLY it isnt....this is just another lame excuse by the most devoted Rossi-centric zealot to ever grace a bike racing internet forum. And the purpose of said excuse? To denigrate ALL the other worthy title wiiners who won within that timeframe.
Must try harder Talpa....Rossi himself has come out with more and better excuses in the last three years as to why he isnt competitive than even you. Looking back at the headlines from just ONE PUBLICATION over the past few months its obvious he is blaming everyone but himself....
Valentino Rossi needs faster starts to strengthen podium bid
Valentino Rossi bemoans early speed at Silverstone
New chassis joins Rossi and Lorenzo’s Yamaha wish list
Valentino Rossi urges Yamaha to upgrade M1
Valentino Rossi seeks improved corner entry
No qualifying joy again for Valentino Rossi
Valentino Rossi rues blowing podium chance in France
Valentino Rossi still not comfortable on YZR-M1
New chassis joins Rossi and Lorenzo’s Yamaha wish list
Valentino Rossi rejects new Yamaha chassis
Valentino Rossi worried by Honda form
Rossi eager for Yamaha gearbox upgrade
etc etc etc.....
If I wanted to look back at seasons 2011/2012 - well we heard every excuse imaginable during that period as to why he wasnt competitive and I would need 10 pages to list them all.
Bottom line - he has won 2 races in the past 4 seasons and both of those were due to circumstance (2010 - JLO not wanting to risk a title, 2013 JLO + DP out with busted collarbones). His alien license was revoked November 9th 2010 and he has yet to have it re-issued. Deal with it!
Mr Squiggle
Wow, come out of the closet just for me eh?
And we've gone to the engine reg, the sole tyre supplier, back to 1000cc......since 2007, no affect on fuel consumption genius? And the 24litre limit in 2004 is a pointless argument.
Anything technical to add to support your rant?
And would you like me to find Jorge, Dani's or Stoners list of excuses? What you've never heard a rider explain why they weren't competitive?
Wow, come out of the closet just for me eh?
And we've gone to the engine reg, the sole tyre supplier, back to 1000cc......since 2007, no affect on fuel consumption genius? And the 24litre limit in 2004 is a pointless argument.
Anything technical to add to support your rant?
And would you like me to find Jorge, Dani's or Stoners list of excuses? What you've never heard a rider explain why they weren't competitive?
Talpa
No, I am not to busy, its just not worth writing to much, Rossi is older and past his best, this is a fact of life that comes to every one, I just think it is really sad that you are so blinded by your idolisation of Rossi, that you try your hardest to make excuses for him.
No, I am not to busy, its just not worth writing to much, Rossi is older and past his best, this is a fact of life that comes to every one, I just think it is really sad that you are so blinded by your idolisation of Rossi, that you try your hardest to make excuses for him.
