Is now the time to march Dani to the gallows?

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 5, 2013

Had to laugh at this...

<span style="color:rgb(204,204,204);font-family:Arimo, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(0,0,0);"Now Marc Marquez has arrived and made him look like a complete ....."

J4rn0 · Oct 5, 2013

Pedro is not just plagued by incredible bad luck; he's also too physically small for the big bikes (even if he can brilliantly make up for it most of the time). In the end it's a very physical sport, isn't it.

Jumkie · Oct 5, 2013

J4rn0

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Pedro is not just plagued by incredible bad luck; he's also too physically small for the big bikes (even if he can brilliantly make up for it most of the time). In the end it's a very physical sport, isn't it.

Sir, how much "bigger" are Marquez, Capirossi, Elias, Melandri?

I read recently, not sure if its been mention on PS, but Burgess recently attempted to reignite the "weight limits" debate in MotoGP. I do understand that a Redding wouldn't fair to well in Moto3, but in MotoGP the Rossi, Simonchelli, Reddings of the world should do fine (if a bike is not made with them in mind then that is a different story). There are reasonable arguments on both sides. Regarding your point above, I don't think its the physical size of Pedro that is the problem, but rather the size of his heart. Also, this supposed "bad luck" ideation must always be coupled with the fact that hes been HRC's number one guy for 8 years running. Not sure how this year's crash that broke his collar bone can be called bad luck. Not sure how his crash at Germans while leading (if I recall) is bad luck.

povol · Oct 5, 2013

Jumkie

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Sir, how much "bigger" are Marquez, Capirossi, Elias, Melandri?

I read recently, not sure if its been mention on PS, but Burgess recently attempted to reignite the "weight limits" debate in MotoGP. I do understand that a Redding wouldn't fair to well in Moto3, but in MotoGP the Rossi, Simonchelli, Reddings of the world should do fine (if a bike is not made with them in mind then that is a different story). There are reasonable arguments on both sides. Regarding your point above, I don't think its the physical size of Pedro that is the problem, but rather the size of his heart. Also, this supposed "bad luck" ideation must always be coupled with the fact that hes been HRC's number one guy for 8 years running. Not sure how this year's crash that broke his collar bone can be called bad luck. Not sure how his crash at Germans while leading (if I recall) is bad luck.

Jumkie

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Sir, how much "bigger" are Marquez, Capirossi, Elias, Melandri?

I read recently, not sure if its been mention on PS, but Burgess recently attempted to reignite the "weight limits" debate in MotoGP. I do understand that a Redding wouldn't fair to well in Moto3, but in MotoGP the Rossi, Simonchelli, Reddings of the world should do fine (if a bike is not made with them in mind then that is a different story). There are reasonable arguments on both sides. Regarding your point above, I don't think its the physical size of Pedro that is the problem, but rather the size of his heart. Also, this supposed "bad luck" ideation must always be coupled with the fact that hes been HRC's number one guy for 8 years running. Not sure how this year's crash that broke his collar bone can be called bad luck. Not sure how his crash at Germans while leading (if I recall) is bad luck.

The Rossi camp is grasping at straws. He won 2 championships on the 800's, why all of a sudden is his weight an issue on a bike that has 30 more hp.

J4rn0 · Oct 5, 2013

Jumkie

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Sir, how much "bigger" are Marquez, Capirossi, Elias, Melandri?

I read recently, not sure if its been mention on PS, but Burgess recently attempted to reignite the "weight limits" debate in MotoGP. I do understand that a Redding wouldn't fair to well in Moto3, but in MotoGP the Rossi, Simonchelli, Reddings of the world should do fine (if a bike is not made with them in mind then that is a different story). There are reasonable arguments on both sides. Regarding your point above, I don't think its the physical size of Pedro that is the problem, but rather the size of his heart. Also, this supposed "bad luck" ideation must always be coupled with the fact that hes been HRC's number one guy for 8 years running. Not sure how this year's crash that broke his collar bone can be called bad luck. Not sure how his crash at Germans while leading (if I recall) is bad luck.

He's the shortest and lightest rider in MotoGP. By a margin significant enough to start some questioning in the past about his "unfair advantage" in weight (more than offset by the disadvantages imo).

J4rn0 · Oct 5, 2013

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The Rossi camp is grasping at straws. He won 2 championships on the 800's, why all of a sudden is his weight an issue on a bike that has 30 more hp.

Fuel.

Talpa · Oct 5, 2013

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Fuel.

Exactly + Engine limit, have you got any word on the heated parc ferme discussion between VR and his team at Aragon j4no?

Kropo hasn't written his part 2 Aragon round up yet.......unusual?

Jumkie · Oct 6, 2013

Talpa

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Kropo hasn't written his part 2 Aragon round up yet.......unusual?

No worries, he emailed it to me, I'll post it here in its entirety:

Aragon Round Up Part 2

In part 1 of our round up, we established Honda were at fault for the incident, its time to talk about the rest of the race.

The win by Marc Marquez was astonishing. Everybody else should be ashamed of themselves.

marquezmatters.com

povol · Oct 6, 2013

J4rn0

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Fuel.

Depending on if Lorenzo has taken a .... that day, he ways 2-4 pounds less than Rossi. That works out to 4-7 seconds per pound per race. If it were me, i would just drop 2-3 pounds and start winning again.

Andy Roo · Oct 6, 2013

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I'd have to say that you could also interpret the mindsets as Pedrosa = desperate.

To make any suggestion that the title would not be as important to Marquez underestimates his enormous ability and ego. Marquez has just broken a record and wants a few more to his name.

Pedrosa has also just broken a record and that is Honda's longest supported factory rider no title. The pressures are many and varied and my cal on it is Pedrosa will snap by the end of the season and outride himself, break a bone or do something silly.

Andy Roo

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Perhaps he may being going to show us all?

Good ride today. He isn't going to fare well in a Marquez bulldozer incident. If he can charge off and manage the lead he will go perhaps a little better than I stated.

I still think he will be the whipping boy of MM at season end though.

I like my earlier quotes. A lot. I was right, he is a ..... and Marquez had it over him from day one.

Lets hang the little ...... or put him on a Ducati.

Dr No · Oct 6, 2013

povol

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Depending on if Lorenzo has taken a .... that day, he ways 2-4 pounds less than Rossi. That works out to 4-7 seconds per pound per race. If it were me, i would just drop 2-3 pounds and start winning again.

That was a mate's pre race routine. "Gotta drop weight, time for a piss, a .... and a ...."

J4rn0 · Oct 7, 2013

povol

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Depending on if Lorenzo has taken a .... that day, he ways 2-4 pounds less than Rossi. That works out to 4-7 seconds per pound per race. If it were me, i would just drop 2-3 pounds and start winning again.

Never said Rossi is not winning because of his weight... Weight doesn't help him (he is at the limit with fuel as it showed more than once this year) but there are more important reasons for his decline, that began in 2010 and was only masked by Ducati's difficulties in 2011 and 2012.

J4rn0 · Oct 7, 2013

Talpa

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Exactly + Engine limit, have you got any word on the heated parc ferme discussion between VR and his team at Aragon j4no?

.................

Tires. He chose the hard tires (only him and Pedro did that) but it didn't work out for him and he had actually a slower pace in the race than during practice.

michaelm · Oct 7, 2013

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Never said Rossi is not winning because of his weight... Weight doesn't help him (he is at the limit with fuel as it showed more than once this year) but there are more important reasons for his decline, that began in 2010 and was only masked by Ducati's difficulties in 2011 and 2012.

I am not so sure about 2010. I think he was still Rossi in 2010 after his injury, particularly when he beat Lorenzo in that race.

The two years with Ducati made him 2 years older I guess, but the impact of riding a bike that was so terrible by that time may have been more influential imo. I also gather that he and Marco Simoncelli were quite close, something else which may have affected how hard he wants to push things these days.

Talpa · Oct 7, 2013

Jumkie

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No worries, he emailed it to me, I'll post it here in its entirety:

Aragon Round Up Part 2

In part 1 of our round up, we established Honda were at fault for the incident, its time to talk about the rest of the race.
The win by Marc Marquez was astonishing. Everybody else should be ashamed of themselves.

marquezmatters.com

:lol:

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 7, 2013

povol

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Depending on if Lorenzo has taken a .... that day, he ways 2-4 pounds less than Rossi. That works out to 4-7 seconds per pound per race. If it were me, i would just drop 2-3 pounds and start winning again.

But Pov, he's only a few inches in height whereas in contrast you are 25 feet tall.

J4rn0 · Oct 7, 2013

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I am not so sure about 2010. I think he was still Rossi in 2010 after his injury, particularly when he beat Lorenzo in that race.

The two years with Ducati made him 2 years older I guess, but the impact of riding a bike that was so terrible by that time may have been more influential imo. I also gather that he and Marco Simoncelli were quite close, something else which may have affected how hard he wants to push things these days.

In duels Rossi is still Rossi (even on the Ducati, in the wet he was still able to beat Stoner last year) -- but his problem is matching the pace of the Spanish Trio from lap one. Already in 2010 he had trouble matching Lorenzo's speed and consistency, even before the accident. The two years at Ducati certainly didn't help, but whatever psychological fatigue was there it was quickly overcome at Qatar with that brilliant first podium. His problem now is the pace, and imo that's natural decline related to age (his and his team's). If he could stay with Marquez now, I'm sure we could still see some nice last lap dogfights between Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez.

povol · Oct 7, 2013

J4rn0

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Never said Rossi is not winning because of his weight... Weight doesn't help him (he is at the limit with fuel as it showed more than once this year) but there are more important reasons for his decline, that began in 2010 and was only masked by Ducati's difficulties in 2011 and 2012.

Then why in the hell did you say fuel as your response to my post.

povol · Oct 7, 2013

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But Pov, he's only a few inches in height whereas in contrast you are 25 feet tall.

Short people cant loose weight ? :lol: ., I will admit at my size, my weight can flucuate as much as 10 pounds in a day dependent on a good .... and the daily activities. :grin:

J4rn0 · Oct 7, 2013

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Then why in the hell did you say fuel as your response to my post.

To answer your question why weight can be an issue with the 1000cc. Not much use in having 30 more bhp if you have to cut 40 bhp in the last laps to finish the race.

Is now the time to march Dani to the gallows?

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