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Is Ducati avoiding comparisons of next years 1000's

povol

povol

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What do they hope to accomplish by testing the 800 Monday at Brno. Its a lost season, why piss away valuable testing time on a 6-7th place bike that has 8 races left before its retired. Are they afraid they may be so off pace to Honda and Ymaha it would be embarrassing .
 
Ducati can't even decide on which version of this years bike is the best, let alone what next years version should be.



I think Ducati are beginning to loose the plot. It looks like Rossi will be riding the GP11.1.46 & Hayden will be on the GP11 this weekend. Surely they have enough data to say which shows the most promise & then get both riders on whatever they choose & start getting as much data as they can log. Two riders in the same team riding & developing completely different styles of bike is ridiculous in the extreem. For christ's sake, pick one & have the whole team moving in the one direction. If someone doesn't make a decision on which way they are going soon, they will completely lost & out of Moto GP.
 
It would be a waste of time to test the gp12 without any major updates, they already know it's slow so no need to roll it back out without a major change.
 
hawkdriver said:
It would be a waste of time to test the gp12 without any major updates, they already know it's slow so no need to roll it back out without a major change.
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Definitely, there is no point wasting the test, or facing further embarrassment as no doubt they already know how far behind they are (even the Honda 800) from Mugello. Unless they've revamped it completely,

which is obviously not the case
 
There must be some serious concern in the Ducati camp regarding funding for next season. If they can not retain the sponsors then they will not be able to continue to fund the rampant development they are have done so far. Considering no progress has been made despite the huge mount of money spent already the result of lost sponsors due to a failure of 2012 bike against other 2012 bikes would would be catastrophic and almost guaranteed.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
There must be some serious concern in the Ducati camp regarding funding for next season. If they can not retain the sponsors then they will not be able to continue to fund the rampant development they are have done so far. Considering no progress has been made despite the huge mount of money spent already the result of lost sponsors due to a failure of 2012 bike against other 2012 bikes would would be catastrophic and almost guaranteed.
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Why? Sponsors want exposure, and they are getting it in spades. Everything, close to every conversation is Rossi-Ducati. Just about everything written is still Rossi-Ducati. Most of the sites & mags write on Rossi-Ducati. I just finished reading a prominent magazine talking about Rossi-Ducati and the dire situation, and the very next page at the conclusion of the article was a full page ad using Rossi-Ducati as the image to advertise the Air Asia British GP. Gpone just tried to make the stats for season to season meaning something on Rossi-Ducati. Crash, not far behind on the Rossi-Ducati saga as much as any other GP dedicated site. Kropo just wrote a dissertation on Rossi-Ducati. Dorna's video feeds give ample air time to Rossi-Ducati.



Loris may have been understandably overlooked; however, Melandri and Hayden never got the volumes of written material on the woes and failures of Ducati (and you can throw Casey into that list). Notwithstanding, it was clearly an issue that some (apologists) ascertained and decerned way before Rossi through a leg over the bike (which says something about the "experts" ability or willingness to detect a story not associated with Rossi, and let us know its clearly not his fault while it was clearly ever other rider's fault.) While Melandri was a 'headcase', Nicky 'just not good enough', and Casey a freak but a 'weak-minded man lacking intestinal fortitude' was on the pens and mouths of every journalist and former racer, not to mention crew chiefs; NOW they all know its Ducati's fault and to a lessor degree, related to the single-tire suppler. Make no mistake, the sponsors are getting a grip of exposure, if anything, they are getting overexposed, if that is possible in terms of marketing leverage.
 
Jumkie said:
Why? Sponsors want exposure, and they are getting it in spades. Everything, close to every conversation is Rossi-Ducati. Just about everything written is still Rossi-Ducati. Most of the sites & mags write on Rossi-Ducati. I just finished reading a prominent magazine talking about Rossi-Ducati and the dire situation, and the very next page at the conclusion of the article was a full page ad using Rossi-Ducati as the image to advertise the Air Asia British GP. Gpone just tried to make the stats for season to season meaning something on Rossi-Ducati. Crash, not far behind on the Rossi-Ducati saga as much as any other GP dedicated site. Kropo just wrote a dissertation on Rossi-Ducati. Dorna's video feeds give ample air time to Rossi-Ducati.



Loris may have been understandably overlooked; however, Melandri and Hayden never got the volumes of written material on the woes and failures of Ducati (and you can throw Casey into that list). Notwithstanding, it was clearly an issue that some (apologists) ascertained and decerned way before Rossi through a leg over the bike (which says something about the "experts" ability or willingness to detect a story not associated with Rossi, and let us know its clearly not his fault while it was clearly ever other rider's fault.) While Melandri was a 'headcase', Nicky 'just not good enough', and Casey a freak but a 'weak-minded man lacking intestinal fortitude' was on the pens and mouths of every journalist and former racer, not to mention crew chiefs; NOW they all know its Ducati's fault and to a lessor degree, related to the single-tire suppler. Make no mistake, the sponsors are getting a grip of exposure, if anything, they are getting overexposed, if that is possible in terms of marketing leverage.
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2 Points:



Do the sponsors follow Rossi because he is a winner or because they are happy to back him as a mid pack grid filler? Brands align themselves with winners so the winner tag rubs off on them.



Will Rossi/Ducati continue to be front page news in their second season of mid pack grid filling? What about the third? When will everyone move on because the stories have been written and week in week out the performance is the same. What percentage of the Rossi Fans will drop off after the first couple of races in 2012 and Rossi/Ducati are still mid pack? Once upon a time the F1 News was all about Schumacher. Now, not so much.
 
At Mugello, Guareschi explained why Ducati would not be testing their 1000 at Brno. They have already used up 5 of their permitted 8 days of testing. They won't have enough new stuff to test at Brno to waste another 2 days of testing. They'll have Hayden and Rossi running round at Misano after the race there.
 
Kropotkin said:
At Mugello, Guareschi explained why Ducati would not be testing their 1000 at Brno. They have already used up 5 of their permitted 8 days of testing. They won't have enough new stuff to test at Brno to waste another 2 days of testing. They'll have Hayden and Rossi running round at Misano after the race there.
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That's a fair point.

Forgot they had already used up a lot of their test days.
 
Frizzle said:
That's a fair point.

Forgot they had already used up a lot of their test days.
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On developing the 2011 bike!
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Why waste another testing day on the GP11.1. Save it for later when you can roll out something different on the GP12, unless it has already been decided to scrap that project. It will be interesting to see the times of the new 1000's, reports have been that the Honda is up to speed and faster than the 800's but that has not been verified. Will Honda and Yamaha be faster on Monday than they were on Sunday, Make you predictions. I personally dont think they will.
 
Kropotkin said:
At Mugello, Guareschi explained why Ducati would not be testing their 1000 at Brno. They have already used up 5 of their permitted 8 days of testing. They won't have enough new stuff to test at Brno to waste another 2 days of testing. They'll have Hayden and Rossi running round at Misano after the race there.
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Oh sure, just bring facts into a great speculative debate with lots of fantasy yet to come. Thanks. Thanks a lot...
 
povol said:
Makes as much sense as wasting a test on the current bike
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What choice do they have? Not much you can do under the current restrictions, and they've used up plenty of hours already on what now seems to be another flawed uncompetitive machine.
 
Mackie said:
What choice do they have? Not much you can do under the current restrictions, and they've used up plenty of hours already on what now seems to be another flawed uncompetitive machine.
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So you reckon the GP12.1 is on the drawing board
 

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