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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Aug 30 2009, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Nice win by El Capitan Americano. But the whole point of climbing the fence at indy is to grab the checkered flag. He looked more like spiderman to me. WTG Captain blueballs, he needs a new helmet painter.

And for the love of god why is there casey stoner ........ in this thread? Can one thread not be about that little pus.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pirkkalan GP @ Aug 30 2009, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It could easily have gone the other way had Brno been different
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And obviously Hayden should beat Krashio on bricks. Ice, now that would be another matter
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Yeah you know brother, they say woulda, shoulda, coulda . . . eh
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And remember
there was no home track advantage for Hayden. He and Kaliio have both been there
an equal number of times - with equal amounts of dry practice.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Aug 30 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am Glad that Jorge clawed back another 25pts. It will be a race down to the <u>weird</u> for the Championship. Good on Jorge. It is a shame about Pedrosa. I wanted to see him fight tooth and nail with Rossi or Lorenzo...

Fixed it for you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 31 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah you know brother, they say woulda, shoulda, coulda . . . eh
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And remember
there was no home track advantage for Hayden. He and Kaliio have both been there
an equal number of times - with equal amounts of dry practice.

Hayden still rode a Moto GP bike last year. Besides, I think his main point is that an ex-champion should beat a rookie at just about all tracks you know...

Not a big deal anyway.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Aug 31 2009, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no offence to hayden, not sure why the .... motogp.com has hayden on the front page like hes won something. rossi crashed, pedrosa crashed, and stoner didnt start. at best hayden could of gotten was a 7th. talk about token americansm.

If yah bin it - yah can't win it. Talk about anti-American sour grapes. And Hayden's
2nd row start wasn't a result of anyone's crashing. He qualified for it. So suck on
that for a while Pinky-Boy. And oh yeah . . . remind me, where were all the other
Ducati riders at the end of the race?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 31 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden still rode a Moto GP bike last year. Besides, I think his main point is that an ex-champion should beat a rookie at just about all tracks you know...

Not a big deal anyway.

No, the point was that some folks were saying that Kallio's pedigree from long-time experience
racing the 250s would automatically make him more competitive on the Ducati than hillbilly Hayden
who prior to coming to Europe- was a mere pedestrian superbike rider.
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You'd think after Good Ole Boys Roberts, Spencer, Lawson, Schwantz, Rainey and Roberts JR.
that Europeans would stop making this assumption - but some folks never learn.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 31 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, the point was that some folks were saying that Kallio's pedigree from long-time experience
racing the 250s would automatically make him more competitive on the Ducati than hillbilly Hayden
who prior to coming to Europe- was a mere pedestrian superbike rider.
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You'd think after Good Ole Boys Roberts, Spencer, Lawson, Schwantz, Rainey and Roberts JR.
that Europeans would stop making this assumption - but some folks never learn.
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Right. The point of Pirkkalan GP in hist post was what I said though.
 
It seems like Lorenzo got into Rossi's head after all. Should have taken it easy and finish second (no one was behind to take it from him). Championship more important then ego wars and Valle is the guy to know it more then anyone else. I like him being competative, but not at the cost of the championship.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Aug 31 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many races is Kallio going to collide with other riders and force them off track this year?
Kalio is one lonely ... dude at the races. He could give away his autograph. He was just walking around behind the pits like the rest of us non-racers. No one would even look at him, espargaro had more fans. Jumkie was forced by a "lovable Teddybear" to say good race to him
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. Thats after we heckled him a bit. I think he was just happy we were talking to him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Aug 31 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems like Lorenzo got into Rossi's head after all. Should have taken it easy and finish second (no one was behind to take it from him). Championship more important then ego wars and Valle is the guy to know it more then anyone else. I like him being competative, but not at the cost of the championship.

Probably it was his intention (Vale did not resist at all Lorenzo's pass, did he?) but ..... happens even (and sometimes even more) when you think you are going to take it easy
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Mel's crash in replay was pretty nasty. At first I couldn't understand why he just walked away from his bike, but on the replay I saw the whole rear tire come off the rim and went "holy crap!"..
 
I think Rossi lost concentration for a moment after going wide on the previous corner. That's really all there is to it. A bit too hard braking with the bike in the wrong angle. Or that's what it looked like to me.
 
'09 Red Bull Indy USGP Crowd: 146,680
by staff
Sunday, August 30, 2009

A crowd count was issued at Indy just as the MotoGP race began. The weekend total for spectators is 146,680.

Friday: 26,350 (under rain)
Saturday: 45,200
Sunday: 75,130

ENDS
-Superbikeplanet.com
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 31 2009, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden still rode a Moto GP bike last year. Besides, I think his main point is that an ex-champion should beat a rookie at just about all tracks you know...

You're mistaken. Pir was responding to my previous post refuting arrogant assertions
earlier in the season that Kallio's 250 experience would just naturally allow Kallio to fast-track to the top of the learning curve and leave Hayden in the dust re: developing and taming
the Ducati.

BTW - don't get the idea that I'm anti-Kallio. Read my posts over the last seasons
and you will see that I've always been a big supporter. The guy has tremendous
spirit. I just think he's a little lost just now.
 
I've never made any connection with Kallio riding a 250 and that giving him a superiority over Hayden - that's somebody elses issue so I wasn't responding to that part. Infact that idea has never even occured to me, as far as I'm aware, and I didn't notice it in your post.

My point was the numbers (is it 8-2 now?) give it very heavily to Hayden over the last two races, but it could have easily been different.

Wander, how would you translate "röykkyisellä radalla"?

On a "shambles" of a track? "heap"?

Hasn't Hayden ridden round Indy a number of times, albeit not on gp bikes? Kallio didn't have a race last year and was on 250. He's stated that every track is like a new track when you switch to motogp and you have to re-learn it.
 
Hayden was always counting on those hot laps on the '09 indian paying off with a glorious victory over Kallio. :roll:

(Yes, he rode a superbike around a bit as well)

In racing, things can pretty much always be quite different over the course of a couple of races. Hayden could always fall off or get run-off by an out of control rider, for example. Not sure what's the deal with your Brno obsession...even ignoring the ridiculous crash, Kallio was a couple spots behind Hayden and fading enough to get passed. It's not like he was looking like he was about to pick up a place or 2 at the end.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Aug 31 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably it was his intention (Vale did not resist at all Lorenzo's pass, did he?) but ..... happens even (and sometimes even more) when you think you are going to take it easy

Well I kind of thought that Rossi was daydreaming when he ran a bit wide, then the next turn he hits the dirt and the deck! Dam it! Daydream after the flag moron!

The hell with settling for second, sometimes riders take it easy and lose concentration, in fact all of us drivers do, imagine if bike riders like us were daydreaming on the way to work! ...., that happened to me already and of course I hit the deck!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 31 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi lost concentration for a moment after going wide on the previous corner. That's really all there is to it. A bit too hard braking with the bike in the wrong angle. Or that's what it looked like to me.

Totally agree!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Aug 31 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>eitherway, thats at best considered a midpack finish.

where is all the hoopla about deangelis' efforts???

Where is all your hoopla about how anyone on a factory ride losing to a satellite does not deserve the ride.
 

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