How to make motorcycle racing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Jul 29 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]82156[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
wow 2 riders, thats really statistically significant


it would be cool if you could explain what you would consider statistically significant... i believe there's 25 riders in WSBK, 2 riders out of 25 losing a finger in half a season... extrapolate the trend across an entire season and you would have 4 out of 25 riders losing a finger... that's 15%-ish... so, you're saying, 15% of a racing grid losing a finger while running Traction Control is not signficant? ok.

i'm having trouble following your argument. you comment that getting rid of traction control would somehow mean riders would start losing fingers and toes. seemingly, this means that you are concerned for rider safety. then, after i pointed out that what's happened, you follow up by saying that having 2 riders lose a finger in half a season is no big deal, it's "statistically insignificant". make up your mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Jul 30 2007, 08:23 AM) [snapback]82194[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i agree with 1 of your points about loose the traction control but i belive the tyre rule and the 800's should stay.
you cant just drop the tyre rule its fair i feel as your a rossi fan that maybe swaying you for the rule change, im a rossi fan too but its not the rule its the quality of the tyre michelin need to pull there heads out of there rear and produce better rubber simple as that.
the 800's should stay as its shaken up all the riders its better to see other riders winning and not the usual suspects.

i also think the race time and laps should stay i dont want to see 24hr
le mans motogp.

i hope you dont find this offensive its just my opinion



the tire rule is "fair" in the sense that everybody has to abide by the same rules. it's just that michelin somehow got this season very wrong. however, we're not talking about whether the rule is fair or not, we're talking about making the racing more exciting. was the tire rule fair last year? yes, but b'stone only had half the tracks figure out. but i'm sure they were quite happy to supply the requisite 30+ tires in their quest to figure out how to make a good tire. they might not have liked michelin's ability to overnight tires while in europe, but, in all honesty, if they wanted to, they could have done the same thing, you can overnight anything if you spend the money.

i mean, what if the tire rule were chopped even more? say, you only had 10 fronts and 10 rears for the entire weekend? 2 fronts and rears for FP1, 2 for FP2, 2 for FP3, 2 for Q, and 2 for Race? would that be fair? yes, in the sense that everybody would have to abide by the same rules, but the racing would suck and potentially be way more dangerous.

also, a GP isn't about a set # of laps or time, it's about distance. it's 100km and they adjust lap count to get as close to 100km as possible. it's a technical point, but i keep seeing people refer to a GP by # of laps, etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drumfu @ Jul 30 2007, 08:51 PM) [snapback]82218[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
it would be cool if you could explain what you would consider statistically significant... i believe there's 25 riders in WSBK, 2 riders out of 25 losing a finger in half a season... extrapolate the trend across an entire season and you would have 4 out of 25 riders losing a finger... that's 15%-ish... so, you're saying, 15% of a racing grid losing a finger while running Traction Control is not signficant? ok.


Lies, dammned lies and finally the worst lie, statisitcs.

Shall we make a bet? I'll bet $100 that there won't be a 3rd and 4th finger missing in WSB this season. Wanna bet against that?

More races! Sunday without Motogp or even WSBK or BSB is just boring.

Control tire. Look what it's done in WSBK to make the racing exciting. There has been some serious edge of your seat racing there recently. I don't give a crap about who has the best tires, I give a crap about who is the most skilled rider and who has the most well-engineered bike!!

And thats from a non-Rossi fan!!

Fixing MotoGP is easy, all you need is to make machines that destroy tires.

Wet races are not so great to watch (b/c everyone is riding slow) but they are the most competitive races with lots of passes. Whoever rides best in the wet, wins. It doesn't matter what machine or what tires. The same is true of dry racing if everybike blisters its tires.

When it comes to racing prototypes fewer rules is better, imo. So banning TC or declaring 1 tire manufacturer is out of the question. However, increasing the amount of fuel onboard, refusing to reduce displacement again, slightly raising the minimum weight (instituting a minimum rider+machine weight is better so horse jockeys don't take over the sport), lengthening races slightly, are all good ways to melt tires and force riders to manage the race.

Good racing = lots of formation, jockeying for position, and recon followed by murderous tire shredding sprinting for the finish line.

Bad racing = great rider on a great bike, pinning it when the red lights go off and sprinting into the distance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 1 2007, 11:12 AM) [snapback]82444[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Fixing MotoGP is easy, all you need is to make machines that destroy tires.


If you want that then watch a round of WSBK Seriously stupid suggestion.. GP Proddies need the VERY best tyres in order to put their power to the ground, what you suggest is just completey dangerous and ridiculous.. Hayden/Yank logic