Honda Team

Why does Hayden have trouble turning his Honda and Pedrosa does not appear to have problems? Last year Hayden had clutch problems but Pedrosa rose above it. Is is a setup problem, different bike chassis, or rider skills?

Rider style - last season condusive
of burning up the clutch. This year he's not so used to going quick
round corners (sbk background) - he'll get better or need a ducati.
I say race win at donny though i don't remember if he's any good
there so more realistically expect a win at assen or
laguna. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BruceLee @ Mar 26 2007, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why does Hayden have trouble turning his Honda and Pedrosa does not appear to have problems? Last year Hayden had clutch problems but Pedrosa rose above it. Is is a setup problem, different bike chassis, or rider skills?


thats the golden question mate.
no one other than the team will really no the answer all we can do is guess or give oppinions and probably bias opinions to.
my personal bias oppinion is that nicky is not good at translating the relevent information back to the engineers to get his perfect set up,i also think he is a rider who needs that perfect set up to be fast.

Dani did have clutch problems too, he almost fell of the bike in the start of GP at the beggining of last year. Though the first solution Honda came up with worked for him.

Dont know about this year,but last year's clutch problem had nothing to do with Hayden.They were testing new clutches up until the last 2 races on Haydens bike and not Pedrosa's.Not only were they trying different clutch's, they were not even in the same place.The crankshaft was even moved to try a developmental clutch assembly.Bottom line,Hayden's bike was the lab rat when it came to clutch testing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont know about this year,but last year's clutch problem had nothing to do with Hayden.They were testing new clutches up until the last 2 races on Haydens bike and not Pedrosa's.Not only were they trying different clutch's, they were not even in the same place.The crankshaft was even moved to try a developmental clutch assembly.Bottom line,Hayden's bike was the lab rat when it came to clutch testing.
THAT sounds very far fetched - or are you an industrial spy. not even good old arrogant hrc would do anything that crazy. it's more like haystack couldn't communicate his problems. what's the excuse this year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dont know about this year,but last year's clutch problem had nothing to do with Hayden.They were testing new clutches up until the last 2 races on Haydens bike and not Pedrosa's.Not only were they trying different clutch's, they were not even in the same place.The crankshaft was even moved to try a developmental clutch assembly.Bottom line,Hayden's bike was the lab rat when it came to clutch testing.
your posts are getting even funnier, move the crank ??

It is well known that Haydens bike last year was not the same as Pedrosa's. There were several things different (Crankshaft placement, swingarm, clutch location).

He started out the season with the same Clutch as Pedrosa but it was switched out after the 4th round. Ever since that point is when they had problems that didn't seem to get the attention needed until the end of the season.

His Excuse this year - He can't ride the new bike. Thats what it seems like to me. Hopefully he can figure out his problem and be competitive and not disappoint me like he has so far. Who know's it's a long season.

Roger,for someone who pretends to know alot about MotoGp,you really dont know squat.Would you like to be educated again?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger,for someone who pretends to know alot about MotoGp,you really dont know squat.Would you like to be educated again?
sure ,but i doubt you the one to do it,judging buy your previous posts.

RC212V
In 2006 Nicky Hayden of the Repsol Honda team won the championship on a 'Evo' version of the RC211V. Nicky's bike was significantly different than the other 4 RC211V's as it featured a revised, more compact frame, a more compact engine, a different swingarm, and a different clutch. HRC's goal with this machine was to develop concepts that could then be applied to the 800 cc RC212V.

Tell me when you have had enough,i can make you look more foolish than you allready do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>RC212V
In 2006 Nicky Hayden of the Repsol Honda team won the championship on a 'Evo' version of the RC211V. Nicky's bike was significantly different than the other 4 RC211V's as it featured a revised, more compact frame, a more compact engine, a different swingarm, and a different clutch. HRC's goal with this machine was to develop concepts that could then be applied to the 800 cc RC212V.

Tell me when you have had enough,i can make you look more foolish than you allready do.
ah so we have a new googleman,

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Not only were they trying different clutch's, they were not even in the same place.The crankshaft was even moved to try a developmental clutch assembly.

where does this mention about the crank being moved because of the clutch ? seeming you protest to no about hrc's development program and nickys clutch why dont you try and explain what was wrong with the clutch and how honda tryed to rectifie it by moving the crankshaft.

Last year Hayden had the development bike. Any new parts that Honda thought would improve the bike for 2006 and 2007 onwards were given to him to help him and Pedrosa as the other works rider. The bike did look slightly different. I think the main difference as already stated was the clutch as Nickys was probably built more for an 800cc engine that would be used in 07.

From what i heard Dani also spent quite a bit of time testing different clutches away from the races for his and hondas benefit.

Nicky's bike must have been good coz on the old rc211v he was no better than any of the other honda riders yet beat them all in the championship.

Your a wannabe Know It All Roger.I guess Crazyc Googled his knowledge also.Just because the Wizard of Gp didnt know the bikes were totally different,it's not a reality.You have been exposed.The funny part is,Googleing info is what you were accused of in the thread when it turned to a dicussion about NHRA that you admitted you knew nothing about but you somehow knew who supplied them with frames and engines.

Here is some more, tell me when to stop

Hayden's RC211V was modified to put the crankshaft higher, the clutch and gearbox lower, and to lengthen the swing arm; the goal was to centralize mass and improve stability.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your a wannabe Know It All Roger.I guess Crazyc Googled his knowledge also.Just because the Wizard of Gp didnt know the bikes were totally different,it's not a reality.You have been exposed.The funny part is,Googleing info is what you were accused of in the thread when it turned to a dicussion about NHRA that you admitted you knew nothing about but you somehow knew who supplied them with frames and engines.

Here is some more, tell me when to stop

Hayden's RC211V was modified to put the crankshaft higher, the clutch and gearbox lower, and to lengthen the swing arm; the goal was to centralize mass and improve stability.
actually i didnt google anything, i used to race 9.9 bikes i just wanted to see what you actully new which wasnt a lot.

you can through as many insults as you like at me but you still have not answered any of my questions, yes above you talking about the evo engine and i cant see why they would move the crankshaft higher because of a clutch problem, by doing this the stroke of the engine would be shorted and the diameter would be increased to maintain the cc, this is done to active a higher rev celing.

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your posts are getting even funnier, move the crank ??

Now that i prove it to you,you start babbling trying to cover your ....Just because YOU cant see why the crank was moved,it makes no sense.I guess the HRC engineers should have have cleared that with you before implementation.Oh, and 9.9 bikes,WOW,There are kids running faster than that on show room stock bike without even being lowered.

What a TOOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 26 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your posts are getting even funnier, move the crank ??

Now that i prove it to you,you start babbling trying to cover your ....Just because YOU cant see why the crank was moved,it makes no sense.I guess the HRC engineers should have have cleared that with you before implementation.Oh, and 9.9 bikes,WOW,There are kids running faster than that on show room stock bike without even being lowered.

What a TOOL
the difference is i speak from knolage and an engineering background you speak from schoolyard chit chat and a quick google search.

talking about 9.9 bikes ,i was building and racing 1970's bikes to run at that speed, but why would that impress you when you can just buy a new hi-tech bike out the create with you dollars.

your the tool.

For clarificastion, povol is right.
The clutch was in all different places and the 2006 bike hayden rode was a test bed all season long.

no1 had problems except hayden with the clutch.
they even fired the test rider in japan and got a new guy and apaprently the new guy figured out the problem and gave him a new clutch that was better for the last 2 rounds.

although it still worried him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Mar 26 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For clarificastion, povol is right.
The clutch was in all different places and the 2006 bike hayden rode was a test bed all season long.

no1 had problems except hayden with the clutch.
they even fired the test rider in japan and got a new guy and apaprently the new guy figured out the problem and gave him a new clutch that was better for the last 2 rounds.

although it still worried him.
yes we now that hector, what he said in an earler post which is what im disputing is they moved the crankshaft to sort out the clutch problems.

Maybe you should start hanging at the schoolyard and pick up some of that chit chat.It seems to be more informative than where you get your info.You speak with your dislike for a certain rider,I speak with verifiable fact.Just admit you were wrong,a man can do that.I made a statement,you called ........,i proved it to you,end of discussion.