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Is the reason HRC are putting so much development effort into this Production Racer because beyond 2015  - this will be the premier class and the current prototypes will be gone? Because that is the way I see this developing and HRC may be using this bike as a head start for the time when we have the spec ECU as the only option.

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We'll see how this goes for you, the only thing you have to go on is fuel or at least it's the only thing you're going on about. Honda doesn't get the rules changed because it isn't ready.


When I said two valve systems I was referring to conventional vs pneumatic, and if you look at dyno graphs for a living you must know that higher revs are not the only advantages to pneumatic valves. I'll be right here for the post season test and watching in anticipation at the production racer that is competitive with full factory prototypes, and I'll be here all season waiting on Nicky to get his 29th podium finish thanks to the production racer. 

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I just now got around to reading this thread.  Sorry, was busy debunking every excuse, rationalization, and apology imagined and or fabricated to exonerate Marc and his team's royal .... up.  Nice to see Kropo enter the pit, I bet he was also busy consulting with the best minds in the art of spin and lawyering this weekend (oh, come Krapo, you know you deserve a bit of wrist slapping lately). Speaking of slapping, I'm thoroughly enjoying Hawkdumber getting totally ..... slapped repeatedly.  Its so easy to poke holes in an argument when you cherry-pick then attempt to base your entire rebut on it, nonetheless its not very effective, that hasn’t stop Povol from conducting a forum career on the tactic though.  Insider, I wasn’t around to join in on the “welcoming posse”, I’m laughing though at  la-pirata accusing me of giving newboots a hard time.  Jesus man, they would make the NY SUV biker mob proud, they  had you on the ropes.  You did manage to threaten to leave more times than the previous record set by theDeal, though I suspect he returned with an alias and is among us once again. I was tipped to read this thread by my esteemed friend Austin, and I’m glad I finally made the time.
 
Insider, first of all, you made three outstanding posts on this thread, I’m sure you know which ones they are, well done sir.  I’m also going to throw my hat in the “hope” bucket and say ‘I hope you are correct about the new CBR1V.  
 
Your Marc takes were still .... though.

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I wonder why his times on the factory bike weren't posted? Casey is an incredibly talented rider, but I seriously doubt he can match the times that Pedrosa and Mark could put up on the current RCV.

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That's good stuff. There's no conspiracy as to why Honda didn't reveal the times. Honda didn't reveal the times because they don't want their competition to know what they're doing or how well they're doing it—that's not remotely uncommon in this paddock or racing on this sort of level.


 


And to assume Casey wouldn't be able to match Pedrosa is laughable. Marquez would be a challenge, no doubt, but Casey Stoner is perhaps the most talented man to ride a motorcycle in the past 20 years. I wouldn't doubt him for a moment.

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I wonder why his times on the factory bike weren't posted? Casey is an incredibly talented rider, but I seriously doubt he can match the times that Pedrosa and Mark could put up on the current RCV.

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That's good stuff. There's no conspiracy as to why Honda didn't reveal the times. Honda didn't reveal the times because they don't want their competition to know what they're doing or how well they're doing it—that's not remotely uncommon in this paddock or racing on this sort of level.


 


And to assume Casey wouldn't be able to match Pedrosa is laughable. Marquez would be a challenge, no doubt, but Casey Stoner is perhaps the most talented man to ride a motorcycle in the past 20 years. I wouldn't doubt him for a moment.

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Apologies. I'm now realizing you may have meant that Casey couldn't put up times on the RCV1000R that could match Dani or Marc on the RC213V. If that was what you were trying to convey, I would agree. Casey is other-worldly, but it would take a Herculean effort to make up the half-second gap that appears between the two bikes. If that gap shrinks, as The Insider says it will, then perhaps it's possible. But we won't be able to gauge that gap until Valencia, or if HRC ever send Casey out on the production bike at a public test.

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well, while I admittedly consider Stoner to be much faster than both Pedrosa and Marquez, I doubt that a rider who has been away from riding those highly complex tech beasts contemporary MotoGP bikes are can be ahaed of two riders who were using these very machines over the whole season. outright speed is one thing, familiarity with the object at hand is just another. so the discussion whether he was a few tenths slower or faster than Pedrosa and MM on the current fac bike is irrelevant to me. but if he is able to post quick lap times on the customer bike and consider this bike 'decent' than this should say enough about the quality of this bike.

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Ooost, you like Willski are far too nice for this world.  We all know what Hawk meant.  Turns out some people still think Casey was posting GP results with smoke and mirrors.


 


 


 


Spot on!  Why give the guy an out with this...


 


 


Hahaha, damn dude.  Of course nobody in their right mind would think the new "production racer" would match their own's "prototype racer".  Hawk may be arrogant and dumb, but not this dumb. 


 


 


Wait, one exception.  Ducati's "production racer" could actually be better than their "prototype racer".  

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Ooost, you like Willski are far too nice for this world.  We all know what Hawk meant.  Turns out some people still think Casey was posting GP results with smoke and mirrors.  For fake-god's sake, the guy is wondering why HRC wouldn't post their lap times? Really?  He's probably still wondering why they close the garage doors  to the public too.  


 


 


 


Spot on!  Why give the guy an out with this...


 


 


Hahaha, damn dude.  Of course nobody in their right mind would think the new "production racer" would match their own's "prototype racer".  Hawk may be arrogant and dumb, but not this dumb. 


 


 


Wait, one exception.  Ducati's "production racer" could actually be better than their "prototype racer".  

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You don't think the production racer will be competitive next year?

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You don't think the production racer will be competitive next year?

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But we won't be able to gauge that gap until Valencia, or if HRC ever send Casey out on the production bike at a public test.

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well, while I admittedly consider Stoner to be much faster than both Pedrosa and Marquez, I doubt that a rider who has been away from riding those highly complex tech beasts contemporary MotoGP bikes are can be ahaed of two riders who were using these very machines over the whole season. outright speed is one thing, familiarity with the object at hand is just another. so the discussion whether he was a few tenths slower or faster than Pedrosa and MM on the current fac bike is irrelevant to me. but if he is able to post quick lap times on the customer bike and consider this bike 'decent' than this should say enough about the quality of this bike.

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I don't <u>know</u>.  You seem to think so, and like others, I'm hoping you are right.  I said "match", that is different than "be competitive"...I think.  What I'm saying is that the two Repsol RCV Hondas when lined up next to the two Aspar Honda Production Racers will not be equal.  I think the Repsol Honda RCV will have a performance advantage.  It sounds like you are saying the performance advantage/disparity will not be major.  No offense, but I don't know you from Adam, so at this point all I can do is filter your claim with hope.  Given Nicky and Redding will be on the thing, you have no idea how much I hope you are right.

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