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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Austin
Better to sell bikes that can win, than spend zillions to do the same thing.
Showa have been paying Gresini to use their suspension to create data and build a product to rival Ohlins, and they are almost there, rumour is Showa will support teams who buy the production racer and keep their suspension, Ohlins will only take your money.
KYB are looking long and hard at this, its a relatively cheap way of building a product to rival the best.
Better to sell bikes that can win, than spend zillions to do the same thing.
Showa have been paying Gresini to use their suspension to create data and build a product to rival Ohlins, and they are almost there, rumour is Showa will support teams who buy the production racer and keep their suspension, Ohlins will only take your money.
KYB are looking long and hard at this, its a relatively cheap way of building a product to rival the best.
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You have no idea how funny that is, Herve is a very nice guy though. good post.
You have no idea how funny that is, Herve is a very nice guy though. good post.
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Showa was essentially forced on Gresini by Honda, no? It would seem to me Honda has been paying Gresini to develop and gather data for the Showa package in preparation for this bike.
Anther question I meant to ask earlier: If Suzuki and Kawasaki are considering a jointly developed competitor, what would be the basis? I find it odd that Suzuki would spend two years and who knows how much money developing their 1000cc for next year only to eat that cost and allow Kawasaki to use all that engineering work. I assume there would be a price to pay for Kawasaki, but curious nevertheless. Unless there's belief that there is enough potential in working off the ZX-10R, which, based on what we've seen from Aprilia, is plausible but I'd have my doubts.
Showa was essentially forced on Gresini by Honda, no? It would seem to me Honda has been paying Gresini to develop and gather data for the Showa package in preparation for this bike.
Anther question I meant to ask earlier: If Suzuki and Kawasaki are considering a jointly developed competitor, what would be the basis? I find it odd that Suzuki would spend two years and who knows how much money developing their 1000cc for next year only to eat that cost and allow Kawasaki to use all that engineering work. I assume there would be a price to pay for Kawasaki, but curious nevertheless. Unless there's belief that there is enough potential in working off the ZX-10R, which, based on what we've seen from Aprilia, is plausible but I'd have my doubts.
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Makes perfect sense and not surprising when you consider Showa is owned by Honda,and Ohlins by Yamaha.
Makes perfect sense and not surprising when you consider Showa is owned by Honda,and Ohlins by Yamaha.
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On the first part, that is exactly what has been happening.
During the 80s Honda dominated MX buy doing what they are doing in Moto gp, in 1990 KHI seriously had a go, they bought David Thorpe and chucked a massive amount of money at winning the 500 world title, big time fail. KHI and Suzuki are tiny in comparison to Honda, so they have talked about doing a data share like they did in MX to spread not only the cost but share the skill base, when you are trying to fight Honda you are in trouble.
On the first part, that is exactly what has been happening.
During the 80s Honda dominated MX buy doing what they are doing in Moto gp, in 1990 KHI seriously had a go, they bought David Thorpe and chucked a massive amount of money at winning the 500 world title, big time fail. KHI and Suzuki are tiny in comparison to Honda, so they have talked about doing a data share like they did in MX to spread not only the cost but share the skill base, when you are trying to fight Honda you are in trouble.
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Sure, I get the appeal of joint development, but where do you start when the potential partners aren't on the same level? Suzuki presumably has poured considerable money into its MotoGP program ahead of their expected return; to my knowledge' that hasn't happened at Kawasaki. Just seems like an awful lot of R&D to hand over to an eventual rival unless Kawasaki has been doing some behind-closed-doors development.
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I hope you are enjoying your gang beat-in. Your info seems legit, but the x-factor is the spec-software on the open-class (huh?) ECU. If the GPC want to hobble the open-class 24L bikes, it is as easy as telling the crank sensor not to let the engine exceed a certain speed. Yes?
I hope you are enjoying your gang beat-in. Your info seems legit, but the x-factor is the spec-software on the open-class (huh?) ECU. If the GPC want to hobble the open-class 24L bikes, it is as easy as telling the crank sensor not to let the engine exceed a certain speed. Yes?
the-insider
You may be able to clear something up - HRC have stated they are making five bikes. So that is to equip two riders and a spare for wildcards? If that's the case, then Aspar are going to be the only team with a bike, or are they only doling out one per rider?
You may be able to clear something up - HRC have stated they are making five bikes. So that is to equip two riders and a spare for wildcards? If that's the case, then Aspar are going to be the only team with a bike, or are they only doling out one per rider?
hawkdriver
Did you read it?
Not at all like the charge you made. So a customer bike has a little less power than the full-house HRC factory bike and because of different ECU software and no fancy gearbox, has a different feeling in engine braking.
If I were you, I would have concentrated on "high average speeds worthy of the RC213V" and "within a few tenths of his time on the factory bike".
Did you read it?
Not at all like the charge you made. So a customer bike has a little less power than the full-house HRC factory bike and because of different ECU software and no fancy gearbox, has a different feeling in engine braking.
If I were you, I would have concentrated on "high average speeds worthy of the RC213V" and "within a few tenths of his time on the factory bike".
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I'm pretty sure it's not 5 bikes total, but 5 packages, since Redding will be on one, so will Abraham, and Aspar (I believe) has two--leaving one left unsold.
I'm pretty sure it's not 5 bikes total, but 5 packages, since Redding will be on one, so will Abraham, and Aspar (I believe) has two--leaving one left unsold.
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Bautista mentioned in a PI preview interview that although it was hard to develop suspension/brakes because he was the only rider using them, he liked the potential that the Honda/Showa package could be an advantage that nobody else has at some tracks and as the development continues.
Remember that HRC only started using Ohlins a few seasons ago, they would prefer to still be using their own tech I think.
Ohlins was owned by Yamaha for a while, but the family bought the company back a few years ago.
Remember that HRC only started using Ohlins a few seasons ago, they would prefer to still be using their own tech I think.
Ohlins was owned by Yamaha for a while, but the family bought the company back a few years ago.
