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Absolute ......... That is the fabrication you and the Yellow Hordes have dreamed up out of thin air. Utterly no basis for it.

Marquez rode more cleanly than Iannone at Phillip Island just the previous race. Marquez rode cleaner than Rossi has on a plethora of occasions, I don't remember his fans claiming how dangerous he was, to the contrary, he was admired for bravery and brilliance. Jerez 05, punts Sete, Laguna 08 cuts the Corkscrew out of control, Stoner's evasion action saves a catastrophe (after dangerous moves out of turn 6) Catalunya 09, Motegi 10 makes repeated contact with Lorenzo, Jerez 11 torpedoes Stoner, etc.

Marquez made the type of overtaking that is common with GP's acceptable motorcycle racing the world over. In fact far less aggressive than we've seen Rossi pull. You're absolutely blinded by your worship of the man. You can look at Marc's overtaking at Sepang and not realize it was fair racing. Nobody held a gun to Rossi's helmet to overtake Marquez either. Sepang is thee epitome of Rossi's cowardice to race on the terms he popularized!

Right, and Rossi has rode cleaner than Marquez has on a plethora of occasions. MM's overtaking wasn't common because there's reason to believe his motives were revenge on Rossi for his comments instead of simply racing for position.
 
If anything, you've likely made this claim based solely on Mike Webb's assertions MM was doing something.

I wish, but I doubt it. Moto Vuvu has made his assertion entirely on what Rossi claimed. All his fans made up their mind Marquez was a evil cheating genius before the race, even before practice! They just knew Marquez was out to ruin Rossi after Thursday. Moto Vuvu suspected Marquez was a cheater after "helping" Lorenzo by beating him at Phillip Island--except they all kept it a secret from us!



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MM's overtaking wasn't common because there's reason to believe his motives were revenge on Rossi for his comments instead of simply racing for position.

There was motive--guilty!

Hahaha, oh lord. Tell me Vudu, who invented that "motive"?

Since your smoking gun is the motive, who invented that notion?



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That video I posted of MM v JL is more dangerous than any of the passes mentioned by Jums for sure!
 
There was motive--guilty!

Hahaha, oh lord. Tell me Vudu, who invented that "motive"?

Since your smoking gun is the motive, who invented that notion?



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Who invented it? Tension probably start to brew at Argentina 2015 when MM claimed he had done nothing wrong (implying it was Rossi who was dirty and caused his crash). Then more tension at Assen when again MM claimed he had done nothing wrong and it was Rossi who cheated by cutting the track regardless of the fact that MM had just torpedo'd him.

It's not serious to me, it's sporting drama and entertainment. They're both great riders and for me the petty off track accusations don't overshadow the brilliant on track performances each rider has had.
 
I remember Shearer kicking Neil Lennon in the head at Filbert Street - very clearly in fact, given that I was sitting several rows in front of the incident when it happened. (I mentioned this to Jum recently in respect of Vardy's two match ban given that Shearer successfully played the England card to the FA to escape a suspension). His excuse was, if you recall and are familiar with the incident, that Lennon had head butted his boot!!! Unbelievable - yet it was clear to see from being there and video evidence what happened. Reminds me of the posts on here defending Rossi who intentionally pushing Marc at a corner thereby interfering with his line then blaming Marquez for turning into him. So when I punch a Rossi fanatic very hard in the face for 'chatting ....' - the fact that they 'get banged' is entirely justifiable, because they collided with my fist? Seriously though, I'm a very passive person, but if at Silverstone this year I spot any of these fly by night fuckers cheering an accident I swear to God we will be having words.

didnt they really needed shearer for their international matches back then? if i remember correctly i think he said something to the extend of " his head was too low or something and my legs movement was natural...",
havent read the whole thread and dont really know which way the whole discussion is going but that actually is a good example of these things happening almost everywhere, its obvious they need Rossi and his fans and making a huge profit of it, those fans who are booing rider are the ones that will probably wont attend races or even follow the sport if rossi is not around, so its not a big shock there is no hard work being done to stop em.

all in all this is a business and i think its wrong to judge a rider or an athlete because of the system or even their fans for that matter.
 
I must have missed the bit where they slowed down a waited for him to catch up then kicked out at him ...... like rossi did.
You didn't miss it, you're just not using your imagination. Like all the imaginary provocations and motives Rossi accused Marquez of and apparently turned real by the Yellow Hordes.
 
I must have missed the bit where they slowed down a waited for him to catch up then kicked out at him ...... like rossi did.

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I must have missed the bit where they slowed down a waited for him to catch up then kicked out at him ...... like rossi did.

There was no kick. The video does show the use of another rider as a berm to make the corner however ! Much more dangerous, maybe even as much as me seeing as I'm 'a feeble minded dangerous ......' eh mate? Lol jk
 
There was no kick. The video does show the use of another rider as a berm to make the corner however ! Much more dangerous, maybe even as much as me seeing as I'm 'a feeble minded dangerous ......' eh mate? Lol jk ��

He didn't even use Marquez to make the corner, he'd already made the corner and was clean ahead if he'd accelerated as normal he would have probably stayed ahead, instead he chose to slow down.

Looking at the footage (thanks MotoGP account) his foot looks like it came off the peg after the contact. But there's no disputing the contact was a result of an irresponsible move.

I doubt he intended to knock Marquez off, probably a hot headed move borne of frustration, but when it comes down to it, it was a dangerous and stupid thing to do.
 
Rossi slowing down and pulling MM off line when there wasn't another rider anywhere near the two of them was safer than the numerous hard passes they had just put on each other moments before. MM wasn't doing anything against the rules, but he wasn't riding like some sort of safety ambassador as some of you are implying. He was fired up and seeing some red mist himself. He was in full "Murder Mac" mode, it's just that Rossi struck first before MM could ready his torpedo.

I thought you were a fan of the sport. Watching the race I found it remarkable that MM employed such clean racing moves in the Sepang duel given his past history of recklessness. Rossi made equally hard moves, but "that's racing", and the essence of the sport. Rossi had the option of accepting he couldn't take the position as Lorenzo did at Motegi 2010, a race in which I had no problem with Rossi not conceding the position btw even though he was actually Lorenzo's team-mate.

As I said, MM has been reckless but not recently, and has never deliberately taken another rider out, and the argument that Rossi was justified because he was acting pre-emptively is the most ludicrous one I have heard thus far. Again, what he did was illegal, no moves of MM's were. The whole business of racing involves riders having the expectation that other riders will not make non-racing moves such as slowing from race pace, going off their own line and deliberately riding into them. I have never known MM to do that.

MM shouldn't have got away with the last corner pass in 2013 imo btw, but RD couldn't do anything because they had let Rossi get away with a similar but far more blatant move at Jerez 2005, the only incident which rivalled the Sepang 2015 incident as a WTF moment for me.
 
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I need to look at the 05 and 13 last corner passes side by side, I'm sure the 13 version is worse because it came from further back. I'll look tomorrow.
 
MM shouldn't have got away with the last corner pass in 2013 imo btw, but RD couldn't do anything because they had let Rossi get away with a similar but far more blatant move at Jerez 2005, the only incident which rivalled the Sepang 2015 incident as a WTF moment for me.



Exactly, it was straight out of Rossi's playbook.

 
Product of Dorna giving Rossi cart blanche wilst everyone else subjected to a different set of rules. Rossi's got away with it also because there's never been a racer willing to do the same to him, then verbally throw it back in his face.

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I need to look at the 05 and 13 last corner passes side by side, I'm sure the 13 version is worse because it came from further back. I'll look tomorrow.
I don't think either move is defensible, the problem for your side of the argument is that the 2005 move set a precedent for the 2013 move, or for getting away with it anyway.

The problem with both moves is that neither VR or MM was making the corner at the speed and trajectory elected on anything like a racing line without using the other rider as a "berm" as someone recently put it. Watching Jerez 2005 live with no horse in the race, and if anything an anti- Gibernau slant, my reaction was that Rossi just rode into him when he was negotiating the corner on a normal racing line and had in fact already turned in. Lorenzo at least was taking a very wide line as was his wont that year but he was in front and hence entitled to choose his line, MM must and should have known where he would end up, and as has been said couldn't have made the corner normally on the line and at the speed involved.
 
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It's always the same .... with people who defend Rossi, they create red herrings to sidetrack the conversation into the transgressions of others as a justification for what Rossi did, or has done.
 
I thought you were a fan of the sport. Watching the race I found it remarkable that MM employed such clean racing moves in the Sepang duel given his past history of recklessness. Rossi made equally hard moves, but "that's racing", and the essence of the sport. Rossi had the option of accepting he couldn't take the position as Lorenzo did at Motegi 2010, a race in which I had no problem with Rossi not conceding the position btw even though he was actually Lorenzo's team-mate.

As I said, MM has been reckless but not recently, and has never deliberately taken another rider out, and the argument that Rossi was justified because he was acting pre-emptively is the most ludicrous one I have heard thus far. Again, what he did was illegal, no moves of MM's were. The whole business of racing involves riders having the expectation that other riders will not make non-racing moves such as slowing from race pace, going off their own line and deliberately riding into them. I have never known MM to do that.

MM shouldn't have got away with the last corner pass in 2013 imo btw, but RD couldn't do anything because they had let Rossi get away with a similar but far more blatant move at Jerez 2005, the only incident which rivalled the Sepang 2015 incident as a WTF moment for me.

Rossi wasn't justified in his decision to run MM wide, that's why he was punished. I just don't buy the whole "MM is completely innocent and was only racing argument". MM has changed his riding style so far this year, but last year (until Valencia) he was still Murder Mac. To say he has never deliberately taken another rider out is a stretch. He had no issues putting his bike into situations where he knew contact would be highly likely. He was perfectly ok with taking that level of risk.

I said in another thread that some people would've been more accepting if when Rossi lost his cool he made it look like a racing incident. He could've made an extreme late braking move into turn 9 and used MM's bike as berm then claim it was an accident. Even though doing such a move would've been MORE dangerous than slowing and pulling MM off line. Marc wasn't put into a position where crashing was the only option.
 
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Rossi wasn't justified in his decision to run MM wide, that's why he was punished. I just don't buy the whole "MM is completely innocent and was only racing argument". MM has changed his riding style so far this year, but last year (until Valencia) he was still Murder Mac.

Sorry, you are so full of .....

He was a completely different rider in the 2nd half of 2015. To say he was Murder Mac until Valencia is to be ignorant of what really happened during the second half of the season.
 
Sorry, you are so full of .....

He was a completely different rider in the 2nd half of 2015. To say he was Murder Mac until Valencia is to be ignorant of what really happened during the second half of the season.

So you feel MM turned down his level of aggression for the 2nd half of 2015? Wow
 

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