Haydens potential right now combined with bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 7 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good call, i overlooked the tyre thing, but still wouldn't expect him to be better than Dovi in the same situation.

I think hed be in about 4th position! dont forget the development he made at the end of season 08! he had a LOT of bad luck! the injury and his 3rd place he lost because of the fuelproblem and...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not so sure someone else would want him and give him everything he asks for LIke Ducati.

While their relationship may not be a match made in heaven -
Having Hayden at Ducati with his great work ethic his
history of development with Honda - has to be -
if nothing else - the best possible scenario for Ducati -unless
Kallio really ups the ante in a big way. Ducati will want to keep
him around - as it has to be embarassing to them when all
these world-class riders throw their hands up in dismay
- only to be more competitive on satellite bikes in the next
season. They've got keep hammering at this bike until it
becomes more universally rideable. In WSBK Ducati is
what you want to ride and in GP it's the ....... widowmaker
career-wise.

And I can't see Hayden going to a satellite team. He's done
with Honda and all the reasons why he wouldn't go to any
of the alternatives have been discussed to death.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jul 7 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Nicky has found the next step on the Duc, he could very well be better than top 7 or 8 I'm thinking. Since the introduction of the 800cc bikes we've seen Nick struggle and sacrifice. He's dropped weight in order to stay competitive(he was fit to begin with) and that in itself says a lot about Nick's dedication to MotoGP. I for one hope he keeps taking steps in improving the Duc and gets the oppurtunity to ride for them next year being higher up in the pecking order for podiums. I also hope the rumors about 1000cc bikes coming back happens, that will obviously seperate the men from the jockey's in MotoGP.

"the men from the jockey's"........... What a great line!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 15 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>While their relationship may not be a match made in heaven -
Having Hayden at Ducati with his great work ethic his
history of development with Honda - has to be -
if nothing else - the best possible scenario for Ducati -unless
Kallio really ups the ante in a big way. Ducati will want to keep
him around - as it has to be embarassing to them when all
these world-class riders throw their hands up in dismay
- only to be more competitive on satellite bikes in the next
season. They've got keep hammering at this bike until it
becomes more universally rideable. In WSBK Ducati is
what you want to ride and in GP it's the ....... widowmaker
career-wise.

And I can't see Hayden going to a satellite team. He's done
with Honda and all the reasons why he wouldn't go to any
of the alternatives have been discussed to death.
Totally agree.
Ducati will give nicky every chance to get a grip of that bike. As much to save their own face as much as anything. Plus Nicky wont want to just quit. He'll ride that thing to death before he'd give up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 15 2009, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You done smoke yourself stupid. Nicky better than Dovizioso?? Really you should be asking yourself if Hayden is better than Canepa, which is a toss up.
Just Because Nicky Is not Japanese doesnt mean you have to hate on Him. Realisticly Dovi hasnt done ..... Lets see if he can finish sachsenring. I thought Dovi would be doing a lot better on the Honda before the season started im sure im not the only one

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 15 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just Because Nicky Is not Japanese doesnt mean you have to hate on Him. Realisticly Dovi hasnt done ..... Lets see if he can finish sachsenring. I thought Dovi would be doing a lot better on the Honda before the season started im sure im not the only one

Look, when you've got the first 3 positions occupied by Lorenzo, Rossi, and Stoner..... 4th is about the best you can get right now, and he's been doing just that with a handful of 4th places. The Honda looks like it's becoming more competitive, so I believe getting a podium is well within his reach this season, who knows..... perhaps even a win.

We won't know how Hayden would be doing since it's all speculation, but if you ask me I don't believe Hayden would be able to get even a 6th place... this is only my opinion of course. I just don't think Hayden is fast enough of a rider, just very average. I do like how he gives it his all everytime he goes out there on the racetrack, but that's about all he brings to the table.

just want to watch hayden kick stoner ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 16 2009, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just want to watch hayden kick stoner ...

I love you!!!

i think hayden has a similar speed like dovi or is slightly faster (not considering the bikes theyre on).
to say hayden is as fast as canepa is ridiculous.

keep in mind that hayden is the first guy who could IMPROVE on the ducati and do you think that improving within 8 races from about last to about 7th or 8th is easy in a field with those riders???

watch him! hes coming!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cygnus88 @ Jul 16 2009, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>just want to watch hayden kick stoner ...

he has to get passed a few riders yet before that!, including Rossi and Lorenzo!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 16 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he has to get passed a few riders yet before that!, including Rossi and Lorenzo!
well not since mugello and qatar anyway

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 16 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he has to get passed a few riders yet before that!, including Rossi and Lorenzo!

quit watching the season 2007 over and over again on your video!

dovi and hayden are mid pack racers. pedrosa is hated coz he makes his teammates look bad. end of story

you got 4 racers who are head and shoulders above the rest of the field with any of the 4 winning on thier given day. the rest pfffft no chance

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jul 16 2009, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just Because Nicky Is not Japanese doesnt mean you have to hate on Him. Realisticly Dovi hasnt done ..... Lets see if he can finish sachsenring. I thought Dovi would be doing a lot better on the Honda before the season started im sure im not the only one



Dovizioso beat Hayden as a rookie on a satellite honda...this tells me Dovi was the better rider of the two last year...and is proving it again this year.

Dovi sits 6th in the points right now, behind Vale, Jorge, Casey, Dani, Colin. He did throw away points in the last two races...

I like Hayden, but don't see him winning another championship. He will never repeat '06...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Motrix450 @ Jul 16 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like Hayden, but don't see him winning another championship. He will never repeat '06...
...and there are lots of riders with huge corporations backing them that will never have an 06.
World Champ is World Champ, no matter how you spell it. If the larger displacement bikes make a comeback, I can see more riders in the mix for wins and championships.

It is amazing how much credit stoner fans give him because he won a championship two years ago. And how much .... hayden get from getting one three years ago. Casey is a good rider, but he won that championship on a bike that was way faster than everyone else's. Nicky earned his championship with consistency and despite a db for a teammate. Casey is the third best rider on the grid. Anyone who suggest he is better than rossi and maybe jorge are just drinking the casey cool aide, be careful we have reason to believe thats what gave him his tummy ache. He drank to much of his own cool aide.
As for Nicky, I think he would be 4th or 5th i points on a honda or yama. He would be fighting with pedders and dovi every race. With the amount of crashes those two have put down, he would easily be fourth in points. With the right bike he would be the 4th/5th best rider on the grid thats plain to see by anyone who isn't a hater.
Casey fans amaze me you guys are dreamers. Do you even watch the races? He is good but not great. If everything is working on the bike he will check out and win. But he never comes out on top when the race is close. He has no ability to battle or find some extra speed late in a race. He is at the top of mediocrity.
As for nicky fans. They are realist. We just want the best results he can get.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 16 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is amazing ...
I agree with what you said about Nicky, I disagree with your take about Stoner.

BTW, not sure if I've welcomed you to the forum, but welcome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 16 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is amazing how much credit stoner fans give him because he won a championship two years ago. And how much .... hayden get from getting one three years ago. Casey is a good rider, but he won that championship on a bike that was way faster than everyone else's. Nicky earned his championship with consistency and despite a db for a teammate. Casey is the third best rider on the grid. Anyone who suggest he is better than rossi and maybe jorge are just drinking the casey cool aide, be careful we have reason to believe thats what gave him his tummy ache. He drank to much of his own cool aide.
As for Nicky, I think he would be 4th or 5th i points on a honda or yama. He would be fighting with pedders and dovi every race. With the amount of crashes those two have put down, he would easily be fourth in points. With the right bike he would be the 4th/5th best rider on the grid thats plain to see by anyone who isn't a hater.
Casey fans amaze me you guys are dreamers. Do you even watch the races? He is good but not great. If everything is working on the bike he will check out and win. But he never comes out on top when the race is close. He has no ability to battle or find some extra speed late in a race. He is at the top of mediocrity.
As for nicky fans. They are realist. We just want the best results he can get.
Im not particularly a Stoner fan and was as critical as everyone was early on in the 07 season. Everybody put it down to the duc being a missile. But I dont believe he won the championship merley by going faster than anyone down the straights. Everyone thought he would suffer when he got to the tighter tracks like Sachsenring and Donington, but he didnt. It was Stoners year and everything was working, fair enough, but he still had to get on that animal of a bike and ride it round the twisty bits too. Stoner is the third best rider on the grid, agreed. At the moment anyway. Only time will tell if he's one of the greats. Would Stoner be as good on another bike, no I dont think he would. But its not like Nicky is riding the arse of that Duc at the moment either, although I do reckon he has got the potential to be more consistant on different bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 16 2009, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with what you said about Nicky, I disagree with your take about Stoner.

BTW, not sure if I've welcomed you to the forum, but welcome.
I think MdubSTYLIE make some good point's about casey and hayden. As Hayden would say "the numbers dont lie"

stoner fans dream about the glory year 07 but never ever mention 08

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 16 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think MdubSTYLIE make some good point's about casey and hayden. As Hayden would say "the numbers dont lie"

stoner fans dream about the glory year 07 but never ever mention 08

What a difference a liter of fuel makes!

The problem with the Ducati is that:
-the loss of Loris stopped balanced and widely applicable development
-the electronics rapidly evolved around Casey's enigmatic style
-it's too long

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 16 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think MdubSTYLIE make some good point's about casey and hayden. As Hayden would say "the numbers dont lie"

stoner fans dream about the glory year 07 but never ever mention 08 I really don't see where you're going with that. A season finishing second in the championship with a half-dozen race wins isn't exactly a poor performance.