Haydens potential right now combined with bike?

Hayden combined with the duc...

where do you see him on the grid right now!? he had a hard start always being 15th or sth. now he was 8th, then 5th...where do you see him realistic. at the moment?

personally i think is somewhere in 8th what is a great progress, but U have to admit that the rizla s. had both problems and dovizioso was out in laguna. so i think he has improved to a potential to get 7th or 8th in the races...

what do yout hink!?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PASSI @ Jul 7 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden combined with the duc...

where do you see him on the grid right now!? he had a hard start always being 15th or sth. now he was 8th, then 5th...where do you see him realistic. at the moment?

personally i think is somewhere in 8th what is a great progress, but U have to admit that the rizla s. had both problems and dovizioso was out in laguna. so i think he has improved to a potential to get 7th or 8th in the races...

what do yout hink!?
I think he's just raced two of his favorite circuits, and with Sachsenring there's another coming up, so he could well get another reasonable result there. At Donington, he'll struggle to make top ten again. He has got another home race to look forward to, and Phillip Island which he adores, plus Valencia, which he also likes, but I think it's still going to be hard for him - despite the recent headway that he's made.

The great thing about Nicky, is unlike Marco last year, he's not a quitter. Whether that's appreciated in Bologna remains to be seen.

Hayden's gonna be champ again, when they fix the instability of the bike, cuzz thats a mess now...

have you seen stoner on the duc in laguna?(ofc you did) im amazed that he stays on the thing.
last year the thing was twice as stable.

it only has 1 improvement: it sounds even better then last year @ assen. it put a smile on my face every time it came by.

so long as he comes in front of all of the sattelite teams, except for colin and sometimes beating the suzukis, he'll be happy and will be an acheivement.

With Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa on the grid, for anybody else making a podium is really difficult. You'd need a bad day for two of these, then fight your way to 3rd against Dovi, Colin, Capi, Verme and company. Not an easy task, so I would say that if Nicky manages to stay consistently 6th or 7th and occasionally a little better that would amount to a real achievement for him this year and a good promise for next year. Always with Ducati

it will be great if hayden can beat stoner or...................
it's already did coz hayden can make ducati riderable and stoner can't ride any other bike

If Nicky has found the next step on the Duc, he could very well be better than top 7 or 8 I'm thinking. Since the introduction of the 800cc bikes we've seen Nick struggle and sacrifice. He's dropped weight in order to stay competitive(he was fit to begin with) and that in itself says a lot about Nick's dedication to MotoGP. I for one hope he keeps taking steps in improving the Duc and gets the oppurtunity to ride for them next year being higher up in the pecking order for podiums. I also hope the rumors about 1000cc bikes coming back happens, that will obviously seperate the men from the jockey's in MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jul 7 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I also hope the rumors about 1000cc bikes coming back happens, that will obviously seperate the men from the jockey's in MotoGP.

Would b cool but its never gonna happen

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 7 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden's gonna be champ again, when they fix the instability of the bike, cuzz thats a mess now...




He may be AMA or even WSBK champ someday, but not MotoGP champ...

He is still at about 10th overall in talent the Ducati....

I also think he will struggle at Sachsenring in all sectors except the last one down the hill...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 7 2009, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he's just raced two of his favorite circuits, and with Sachsenring there's another coming up, so he could well get another reasonable result there. At Donington, he'll struggle to make top ten again. He has got another home race to look forward to, and Phillip Island which he adores, plus Valencia, which he also likes, but I think it's still going to be hard for him - despite the recent headway that he's made.

The great thing about Nicky, is unlike Marco last year, he's not a quitter. Whether that's appreciated in Bologna remains to be seen.
save me alot of typing... +1^^^

I've heard the 1000cc rumors as well and from what I read, it sounds as though someone within MotoGP has realized their mistake and want to correct it. Although it sounded like it would be a few years before it happened.

800cc MotoGP: Which way from here?

Now that I realize it was an article from 'Soup and not Kropotkin, I'm far less confident.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 7 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've heard the 1000cc rumors as well and from what I read, it sounds as though someone within MotoGP has realized their mistake and want to correct it. Although it sounded like it would be a few years before it happened.
lets hope it comes true..... time will tell.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 7 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden's gonna be champ again, when they fix the instability of the bike, cuzz thats a mess now...

have you seen stoner on the duc in laguna?(ofc you did) im amazed that he stays on the thing.
last year the thing was twice as stable.

it only has 1 improvement: it sounds even better then last year @ assen. it put a smile on my face every time it came by.
Ahh I think a big part of that was because bridgstone had the duel compounds last year and this year they were all single.

Nicky will find a way to win. He isn't there to be a mid packer. We see the work this guy puts into the bike and how hard over the years he pushes himself to get the results. I think Ducati on the other hand has really understood they need to make the bike easier to ride since they need to get new talent in the near future. They don't want to have this stigma surrounding them and scaring away potential title contenders. I have confidence in them due to the fact they are very focused and want to win just a little bit more than the other teams. This is cause they are the smaller factory and just have that passion that the other teams and companies can't match. I know someone is going to rebutt this but come on they are Italian. No one is more passionate about cars and motorcycles than the Italians. Ducati will win the WC again.

I will tell you one thing, if Hayden doesn't start showing improvement on the Ducati, they will not be able to attract anyone in the future with promise to their team. This has been their main point with Hayden, to get him up to speed with a setup/development/style that is different then Stoners. To show everyone that the Stoner/Ducati combo is not the only one capable of success. Unlike Melandri who wanted to quit after the first practice session, Nicky has hung in there and kept a positive attitude. The addition of Juan Martinez as crew chief seems to have helped out a lot on the communication side of things and the steady progress they have shown is good. With some great tracks coming up for Hayden, he is in a good position to continue this good form.

I like Hayden, his hard work ethic and determination are very admirable qualities. I just don't think he is a top of the pack rider at this point. With the likes of Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Dovi (when not crashing), and Edwards, in front of him, any finish from 5th to 8th would be solid for him for the rest of the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lets hope it comes true..... time will tell.

+1

I think Kallio is the dark horse in this matter. If Kallio continues to make Hayden look bad then there needs to be some serious questioning going on for Hayden. Kallio has made some very dramatic improvements and looks to be a threat in the mid pack. Hayden is still questionable. These next three rounds will tell us a lot about where Hayden is. I really think they have found a direction that is working and need more time on the bike to tune it in. He still needs to find about a second on his lap time, but I think it's totally possible to do this in the next few rounds.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2009, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Kallio is the dark horse in this matter. If Kallio continues to make Hayden look bad then there needs to be some serious questioning going on for Hayden. Kallio has made some very dramatic improvements and looks to be a threat in the mid pack. Hayden is still questionable. These next three rounds will tell us a lot about where Hayden is. I really think they have found a direction that is working and need more time on the bike to tune it in. He still needs to find about a second on his lap time, but I think it's totally possible to do this in the next few rounds.
Hayden isn't going anywhere just yet. SOme of you may know but maybe not. Ducati just released a Hayden 848 model to look like the GP bike for the american market. He is huge for the Ducati market here. I wonder if Kallio would be such a juggernaut in the marketing department for his country? The largest market for Ducati is the US so I think at least one more year to milk this will be the case. We shall see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden isn't going anywhere just yet. SOme of you may know but maybe not. Ducati just released a Hayden 848 model to look like the GP bike for the american market. He is huge for the Ducati market here. I wonder if Kallio would be such a juggernaut in the marketing department for his country? The largest market for Ducati is the US so I think at least one more year to milk this will be the case. We shall see.

Yeah I meant for Hayden, would Hayden want to stay with Ducati?? If I were him I wouldn't sign on the dotted line just yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 7 2009, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Kallio is the dark horse in this matter. If Kallio continues to make Hayden look bad then there needs to be some serious questioning going on for Hayden. Kallio has made some very dramatic improvements and looks to be a threat in the mid pack. Hayden is still questionable. These next three rounds will tell us a lot about where Hayden is. I really think they have found a direction that is working and need more time on the bike to tune it in. He still needs to find about a second on his lap time, but I think it's totally possible to do this in the next few rounds.
I'm not really convinced that either has shown themselves to be a serious mid-pack threat. Kallio's "dramatic improvements" aren't much more than one nice post-race test and running well (but not really much better than Hayden. Yes, Hayden should be in front, but they were wheel to wheel until Nicky had his off-track excursion and handlebar incident, and obviously Hayden finished in front.) until crashing out at Assen. He also started the season a bit better than Hayden.

We could very well be overstating the degree to which both riders have "found something". Kallio's injury could slow him, although he has time to heal, or he might have just had a good track or 2. Hayden might be doing better largely because he likes Assen and Laguna, or he might be finding the bike some. Either way, some of his favored tracks are coming up. It could be an illusion like Melandri's China, too.

Either rider may or may not have some nice results coming up. I'm not sure that either has made really dramatic gains yet, but both have shown some signs of steady progress.