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Has Hayden Smartened up or Pedrosa

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The return of Honda's pneumatic valve engine has been delayed yet again, with MotoGP World Championship leader Dani Pedrosa denying that the unit will be available for testing on Monday at Le Mans.

"No," smiled Dani, when asked if it would be present.

"For the moment the bike is going quite well," continued the Jerez winner, who has finished on the podium at all four rounds so far. "We have some weak points but nothing dramatic. But of course I would like [something new]."

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Honda originally intended to race the pneumatic valve engine from the start of this season, but problems during winter testing saw it return to Japan for further development.

The pneumatic valve unit was last seen on track, in the hands of Nicky Hayden, during testing at Phillip Island in late January, after which it was replaced by the conventional valve-spring design raced during 2007.

A redesigned chassis was subsequently introduced - the original '08 chassis having been made to house the pneumatic valve engine - but the intention was for the pneumatic engine to return, when ready, at some point during the season.

The post Estoril test was initially tipped to see its reappearance, potentially allowing Pedrosa and Hayden to use the engine - if successful - at the following Chinese Grand Prix, where engine performance is crucial along the huge 1.2km back straight.

But it didn't appear at that test, or at Shanghai - where Pedrosa nonetheless managed a second place finish - and, having apparently been ruled out of the Le Mans session, the next opportunity for its return will probably be at the post-Catalunya test on June 9.

Aside from Ducati, which uses its Desmodromic valve system, Honda is now the only MotoGP manufacturer not to use pneumatic valve actuation, although Repsol Honda team manager Kazuhiko Yamano recently defended the decision.
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Anyway, My thoughts or more like questions are: Has Hayden refused to be the test mule for Honda this year? Did Pedrosa mandate that he is secure with the current bike and he does not want to risk his championship with un vetted machinery?

Has it really taken Honda this long to get a viable pneumatic engine? Do they really expect us to believe that they cant get an engine ready this long?

Anyways... thoughts anyone?
 
I'll start with a quote from the Honda Team Manager during a recent interview:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Q:Can you tell us anything about the new (pneumatic valve) engine?

Kazuhiko Yamano:Our job is to provide a machine that is capable of winning. It doesn't matter what valves it uses, whether pneumatic or standard. We try to produce machines that win races, and continue to work on both options to meet this goal.

I don't think there is any Pedrosa/Hayden conspiracy. Pedrosa is able to make the spring valve engine work pretty well so far. I am sure Honda is developing the next generation engine. But, there appears no urgency to get it out on the track as yet as Pedrosa is leading in the points race.

Now to potentially add fuel to the fire..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Q:What is your opinion on your riders, Dani Pedrosa and Nicky Hayden?

Kazuhiko Yamano: Both riders are very strong mentally and are very talented, though with different characters, which we try to make the most of in both cases. I've learnt a lot from Dani, as he knows who to seize the chance in any particular situation. He's a very intelligent rider. Nicky is very aggressive, and thanks to his team's motivation and his own passion for the team, he also does some very valuable work.
 
Honda's new engine will be released when it is time for it to be released.

They last time they were allowed to release major engine updates errr............I mean they released them without having to ask permission from Dorna was at the end of bore-fest 2005. Nicky and Marco were happy. They worked absolutely perfectly right out of the box just like all cutting-edge bike developments do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda's new engine will be released when it is time for it to be released.

They last time they were allowed to release major engine updates errr............I mean they released them without having to ask permission from Dorna was at the end of bore-fest 2005. Nicky and Marco were happy. They worked absolutely perfectly right out of the box just like all cutting-edge bike developments do.
More conspiracy? Allowed to release engine updates... Permission from Dorna.... Tyres that are actually control tyres regardless of the names on the side....

So I guess you have your ready made excuses should Rossi, Lorenzo or Pedrosa win this year....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ May 15 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani Pedrosa denying that the unit will be available for testing on Monday at Le Mans.

"No," smiled Dani, when asked if it would be present.
Clearly this is all ........ and lies...(see highlighted part above).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 17 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Clearly this is all ........ and lies...(see highlighted part above).
Not so! I think I saw, even for just a moment the merest, briefest hint of a smile from Dani on the podium in Shanghai.
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We can only speculate as to why. Perhaps Dorna finally gave him permission, or perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Lorenzo was nowhere in sight...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ May 17 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda's new engine will be released when it is time for it to be released.

They last time they were allowed to release major engine updates errr............I mean they released them without having to ask permission from Dorna was at the end of bore-fest 2005. Nicky and Marco were happy. They worked absolutely perfectly right out of the box just like all cutting-edge bike developments do.
maybe dorna have had a secret meeting with honda and banned them from using the pneumatic valve engine because they want rossi to win
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 17 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe dorna have had a secret meeting with honda and banned them from using the pneumatic valve engine because they want rossi to win
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 17 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe dorna have had a secret meeting with honda and banned them from using the pneumatic valve engine because they want rossi to win
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what do you think lex ?

Apparently the pneumatic engined 2008 RC212v will arrive to race at Mugelo as a wildcard being riden by the Japanese HRC test rider (cant remember name)....this is according to Moody and Rider from Eurosport.......

However the conspiracy theories are better than the reality when it come to engines, HRC and Pedrosa/Hayden relationship...
 
My Point is that Hayden is not the test mule that he once was in 2006. I am hoping that he specified that He would not be the rolling developement mule while Pedrosa fought for the championship.

What I find strange is that Hayden has been relugate to all but the first in line of the customer bikes. The pneumatic article suggests that as long as Pedrosa was happy and making hay with the spring valve bike the spring valve bike would remain on the testing shelf.

I believe Hayden would want the engine earlier if it would bring him up to the sharpe end of things. No mention of what may be good for the guy who brought HRC the only championship so far after Rossi.

So..

Pedrosa for the championship or nothing at all for HRC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ May 17 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe Hayden would want the engine earlier if it would bring him up to the sharpe end of things. No mention of what may be good for the guy who brought HRC the only championship so far after Rossi.

So..

Pedrosa for the championship or nothing at all for HRC

Pedrosa is the HRC number 1 rider and future....Nicky is neither, so the past title counts for nothing to HRC or so it seems.
 

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