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It’s a shame he wasted so many years being Rossi’s mule. That was a high point of wsbk and we were robbed of seeing Bayliss, Corser, and Edwards battle it out for a prolonged period
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It’s a shame he wasted so many years being Rossi’s mule. That was a high point of wsbk and we were robbed of seeing Bayliss, Corser, and Edwards battle it out for a prolonged period
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I just watched a documentary on him and his cult. The guy was a looney of the highest order. That thousands of people get in line to buy into his craziness and live their lives in accordance with his beliefs is enough to fill anyone with existential despair. Pretty much how I feel about religion these days. I just try not to think about it. I think that informs my attitude to boppers as well.
I don't even like his science fiction, and I am an avid science fiction fan as we have discussed, preferring A E Van Vogt and Cordwainer Smith as far as psychotic science fiction writers go.
People are absolutely entitled to their belief systems as far as I am concerned, but surely there must be better ones around than one invented pretty much overnight as far as I can tell by a science fiction writer.
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I read him as a teen. I recall it being the standard adventure fiction that was popular mid century. I doubt I would think very highly of it now.
I understand all this and it is exactly why I'm not a fan. I never liked showmen. The ideal kind of sportsman/rider I've always looked up to would be a guy like Ricky Carmichael or Ryan Dungey.
Humble, never flashy, going out there to get the job done.
I loved Casey because even with the obvious limits of his personality, he was always real, or raw if you'd like.
I love Dovi because he talks and looks like an underdog even when he is winning.
In a world where everyone thinks they're entitled to consider themsleves better than anyone else, being simple is a huge quality.
But these are just my 2 cents
I kind of agree with you that those tend to be more likable to me but if THEY want to make money, lots of money that is what you got to do and more so in today's 'internet/social media' world. Great athlete = $, Great athlete and flashy = $$$$$$$
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this depends. Not sure if you're into American motocross/Supercross but I'll try: take a guy like Ryan Dungey. Prolly as far as one can be from being a showman. Yet sponsors LOVED him just for that, he was the guy next door.
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How do you bring up Dungey and forget Villopoto. RV waxed Dungeys ... his whole career and had a similar persona, but slightly more emotional.
Dungey was like a whipped dog. It’s one of the reasons I never liked him very much. No matter how much he got beat, it never seemed to bother him.
I get why you liked him, he’s a class guy but he seemed like he was always going through the motions and resorted himself to second place. He reminds me a lot of Dovi
Amazing ride. I still think the emotional and physical toll of that ride affected him a lot subsequently.
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I liked Villopoto more than I liked Dungey. I mentioned Dungey in order to bring an example to help anyone reading getting a better idea of what I was saying
However since you mentioned it and since I like American motocross almost as much as I like MotoGP I'll be going OT and give you my opinion.
Talent, speed and technique wise there's no comparison. RV > RD and honestly that's not debatable IMHO.
I only reckon Dungey comes off as a more chilled dude, which brings us back to the example I made above about sponsors loving him. Dungey had that "I'm just a nice kid" appeal, nothing could touch him like you say.
RV wasn't more emotional, he was simply rawer. Kinda like Casey.
We are anyways talking about two amazing sportsmen, I'd like to underline that.
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Agreed, Horhay just seemed that bit too tentative in wet and especially mixed/changeable conditions after that.
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I liked Villopoto more than I liked Dungey. I mentioned Dungey in order to bring an example to help anyone reading getting a better idea of what I was saying
However since you mentioned it and since I like American motocross almost as much as I like MotoGP I'll be going OT and give you my opinion.
Talent, speed and technique wise there's no comparison. RV > RD and honestly that's not debatable IMHO.
I only reckon Dungey comes off as a more chilled dude, which brings us back to the example I made above about sponsors loving him. Dungey had that "I'm just a nice kid" appeal, nothing could touch him like you say.
RV wasn't more emotional, he was simply rawer. Kinda like Casey.
We are anyways talking about two amazing sportsmen, I'd like to underline that.
And as Johnny would be the first to admit ..... isnt RV Caseys buddy.
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And as Johnny would be the first to admit ..... isnt RV Caseys buddy.
Yup. They even go fishing together from time to time even tho I know RV is more keen on hunting.
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Yuichi Ui.
I think Forcada said as much at some point.
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There have been many great performances in GP, Nicky in 145 degree heat at LS in 06, Toni Elias Estoril 06 (granted not the GOATR), Rossi Catalunya 09, Stoner Philip Island 20XX, Lorenzo Valencia 2015 (granted not the GOATR), Marquez COTA 20XX, we could put several performances by Rainey, Lawson, King Roberts, Spencer, etc.; but for me I'd have to say Nicky Hayden Laguna Seca 2005 was one of the greatest performances all around, it was so good, they even made a movie just about this race: The Doctor, The Tornado, & The Kentucky Kid. This was the return of GP back to Laguna Seca. Think of the pressure. Home GP for the Americans, and a high expectation for them to perform, meant the pressure was massive. Riders coming though the back isn't the only measure of a great performance, but a dominant performance is as noteworthy as any, especially considering Nicky topped all four practices and pole position, and won the race from pole, against a field and package that was nearing the height of its development cycle (which I think was capped in 06, as the greatest parity in GP ever). So I think it was an exceptionally fantastic performance.
Edit to add: Something extremely rare happened in this race, which I'd like to point out, Collin Edwards passed Rossi. A real rare moment.
"Every dog has a day, and it just all clicked for me today." NH
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4 posts into the thread and you tried to derail it. Oh well, so much for the “ignore” button, perhaps it doesn’t work properly.
Good to see you haven’t left us Pye. After the above post I scrolled through a few pages expecting to find another torpedoed thread, I’m glad it wasn’t derailed 5 posts in, hope burns eternal, but it looks like this thread has stayed fairly on point. Kudos to Synn for not reacting to Kesh’s trolling attempt (who said he had put Synn on “ignore” btw). Maybe in this way we can have most of the threads moving along smoothly. There is a race this weekend. Fingers crossed.
Hey Pye, maybe as a peace offering to the universal race gods for not letting this thread CRASH, we could include one of Cuntslows race wins on this thread?
Nah, forget it, I’m not that hopeful about the future of this forum.
,Maybe, but at least Synn didn’t react, perhaps as Pye says, a start to a better way? Baby steps, you never know, it may all go to .... just as fast. .... and fast, that reminds me of Brno 2014.
Yeah, but Dubs was right in pointing out the trolling attempts, light helps make things clear, and kudos to synn for not biting.
Speaking of fast, its easy to talk about CS at PI, but I’d like to remember his 2011 performance at Brno. Its memorable to me also because Marco Simonchelli podiumed there, and I felt that it was a moment where he started to reconsider his approach to racing. Nothing like a little success to make you re-think what works and what doesn’t. The performance was significant because the Hondas were working there, and Stoner was the best of the Honda riders. This actually reminds me of a great performance by Pedrosa too, it was a two way battle (can’t remember year at the moment) but I do remember Pedros ending Marc’s win streak at Brno in 2014. Stoner came out on top that day, and considering it was on his way to his title winning season, it has to rank up there as one of the great performances.
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You actually might consider this a trolling post, but Dani Pedrosa's performance at Brno in 2012 is one of the best. Granted, he will never ever been considered in a conversation of Greatest Riders of All Time, but I'm going to give him props for his performance in this race. (Before Arrabi calls me on it, at the time, i was reluctant to give Pedro credit).
Check out this last lap!
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Dude, chill out man. Rossi's PI performance is actually cited as one of his best races.
Ok, just as a point of record, they were called Saturday 'Night' Specials (not Scotty Beamed Specials) because they were normally made Saturday after data was collected from Friday and Saturday, then that evening thrown into the back of a truck and 'driven' over-night to a Euro venue. The fly-away rounds were not subject to SNS because of this thing called an ocean. Haha, nah man, I'm just messing with you, but really, it doesn't apply. Now I will say this thought, Michelin did have a tier system, and if anything you could argue VR had the top tier tires, though other top tier riders would have access to these as well (Michelin would be insane to just make enough for VR and then ship them off to Asia).
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