I'm in the camp of MM doing at least 3 in a row if he wins this year. Vinaeles isn't Lorenzo or Rossi, Rossi is getting older and it's doubtful Lorenzo comes to grips with the Duc in the first season. Pedro isn't winning anything on the same machinery as MM. The Stars seem to be aligning for Marquez over the next 3 years and given his talent he doesn't need them to like they have to win anyway.
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I'm in the camp of MM doing at least 3 in a row if he wins this year. Vinaeles isn't Lorenzo or Rossi, Rossi is getting older and it's doubtful Lorenzo comes to grips with the Duc in the first season. Pedro isn't winning anything on the same machinery as MM. The Stars seem to be aligning for Marquez over the next 3 years and given his talent he doesn't need them to like they have to win anyway.
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0 wins for almost 6 years for Ducati.
Dovi isn't doing that good. Especially when you factor in he is into his 4th season on the bike, and has not been able to convert what should have been a winnable race at Qatar two years in a row.
It's easy to forget how he wiped the floor with everyone in 2014 and the 13 wins really could've been more if not for inexperienced mistakes like Aragon and his team making the bike almost unrideable at Brno(IIRC Rossi said when he was behind him that he couldn't believe he was still on the bike). Honda will have the bike sorted soon or next year and with the way everything is set up he likely wins 10+ races each season over the next few years barring an injury.
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If Dovi is getting podiums and at least sniffing wins... there's still some hope for Lorenzo. lol
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I can't see Honda not coming to grips with the ECU fully for 2017. Once that happens and they can get full power delivery out of the corners, MM is going to be near unbeatable. Hell...if they somehow square everything away even this year down the stretch, he's going to demolish the field.
I hope he stays healthy for his sake the next few years because I can actually see him bagging 3 or more in a row. He actually could tie Rossi's title record in 2020 at the earliest at 27 years old if things fall as they look posed to do. It will take a lot of work though to make that happen.
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I'm not superstitious by any means, but I think Ducati is cursed.
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Not cursed just outmatched. Take a look around your house. The only thing Italian you will find is your pasta and olive oil, while almost everything with smarts and technology is made in Japan.
You just cant match their ingenuity. Ducati has its niche, and its a fantastic niche, but they will never be good enought to surpass the japs
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Still next year will be a very interesting season..
Rossi/maverick at yamaha. I still think rossi will beat him. Will 2017 and 2018 be his biggest chance of getting that 10th title? With 2017 most likely being the biggest change and probably the last, due to all riders chances.
Torpedone at suzuki is gonna get interesting. Crazy rider on a slower and smoother bike. Will he crash more or less? And will he be in the top 5? Or no podiums?
Dovi/Lorenzo. Well well. Lorenzo on the roughest bike and the fastest on the straights. Lets see if he can beat dovi ,which have been with them since 2013 with no victories. Maybe dovi should have gone to honda instead?? He did better on the honda repsol than what he have done on the duc so far.
KTM is gonna be interesting
Pedro/Marc again together. Dani entering his 12th season next year with the same team but no titles. He have had 3 team mates, which all have won the title. He doesnt seem to have that killer instinct in him anymore. No dani you should have made the switch to yamaha or ducati for 2017.
Rossi/maverick at yamaha. I still think rossi will beat him. Will 2017 and 2018 be his biggest chance of getting that 10th title? With 2017 most likely being the biggest change and probably the last, due to all riders chances.
Torpedone at suzuki is gonna get interesting. Crazy rider on a slower and smoother bike. Will he crash more or less? And will he be in the top 5? Or no podiums?
Dovi/Lorenzo. Well well. Lorenzo on the roughest bike and the fastest on the straights. Lets see if he can beat dovi ,which have been with them since 2013 with no victories. Maybe dovi should have gone to honda instead?? He did better on the honda repsol than what he have done on the duc so far.
KTM is gonna be interesting
Pedro/Marc again together. Dani entering his 12th season next year with the same team but no titles. He have had 3 team mates, which all have won the title. He doesnt seem to have that killer instinct in him anymore. No dani you should have made the switch to yamaha or ducati for 2017.
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No Rossis biggest chance was last year with Marquez throwing down the road at every opportunity, Lorenzo having major issues in a few races and he still cracked. This year is going to be another missed opportunity the Honda was struggling Lorenzo is struggling and due to errors which have mostly been at home he is likely out of the title hunt.
Next year Marquez/Honda likely have their .... sorted from the start, Rossi will be again older and his errors could already be his age showing already(maybe a but of a reach but it's possible) I agree he likely beats Vinaeles though but we will see.
Next year Marquez/Honda likely have their .... sorted from the start, Rossi will be again older and his errors could already be his age showing already(maybe a but of a reach but it's possible) I agree he likely beats Vinaeles though but we will see.
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I read reports and the forum sporadically, often missing threads and individual posts on crapatalk app (plus been on road lately) , but can anyone give me the cliff notes on why there was no equipment flag shown for busted rain tail light? I mean if RD is so worried about "safety" so as to ban winglets, surely they would have thrown a flag to get a rider (despite their championship standings) in to repair an unsafe piece of equipment. I haven't read an explanation. Anyone?
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That would be a question for Mike Webb, I don't think anyone has found a definitive answer.
I don't think they would black flag a rider if the light simply malfunctioned. I believe it was at Argentina when someone hit the back of Marc's bike and knocked his light (or maybe it was the rear camera) loose. Do you think if it was a wet race, they'd have Black flagged him to pit and fix the light even though it was knocked loose? I could be wrong, but I doubt it's an automatic Black flag regardless of the circumstances that caused the light to be inop.
In Rossi's case, I'd like to know when RD was aware his light wasn't on. If it wasn't brought to their attention until several laps in, they may have wanted to investigate to determine if the light was on at the start and became inop due to a short or some other malfunction. Because of the race restart, the first race was null & void. If Rossi didn't crash out the 2nd race, we don't know if RD would have imposed a penalty if they determined his light wasn't on simply due to negligence.
Like the case with people being petty and trying to bring attention to whether Marc's 2nd bike was in gear. RD wouldn't automatically issue a penalty for that without conducting an investigation.
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You'd have to argue that with Mike Webb. During the argument also ask why Marc could run into the back of Wilairot damn near killing him and the penalty was simply 1 minute added to his qualifying time so he'd start from the back of the grid.
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So RD makes inconsistent calls when it comes to penalties. I don't think that surprises any of us.
Rossi actually got 3 penalty points for running Marc wide resulting in a crash, but Mike Webb claimed it was RD's opinion that there was fault on both sides. Many members here call BS on that, but that's the reason he gave for why Rossi got 3 penalty points.
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So you still not gonna man up acknowledge that was a biased call in favor of Rossi because he is the most popular rider as Marc was seen as the new golden boy instead sugarcoat with inconsistent call. You yellow brigade sure are unique bunch.
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You compared PI 2013 with Sepang 2015. For PI 2013, there was nothing more to investigate after Marc did an extra lap. At Sepang, RD said they didn't want to impose a penalty until they had a chance to review the incident.
I know you don't like that answer, but that is why Marc got a Black flag and Rossi didn't.
I think MM should have been given a multi-race suspension for the attempted murder-suicide that was the Willairot incident.
I also think MM was actually the most golden rider in Dorna's eyes at the time of the PI 2013 black flag, and think if there was an ulterior motive it was to keep the championship undecided going into the last round, which was likely also a consideration with the Sepang 2015 incident imo.
You have hit on it that it is indeed true that there has been inconsistency in RD's decisions which is perhaps part of the reason for suspicions they are not always entirely independent of Dorna or uninfluenced by rider identity.
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Jums I have been trying to find something on this and it is indeed interesting just how much silence is around regarding the 'light off' situation.
That said, I should also say that on one of the videos I saw it did indeed look as though VR was not alone with no light as Redding (I think it was Redding) seemed to have his light off as well.
The question for me is why was it not bought to their attention (assuming that it was not) and I suspect that it has a lot to do with who noticed what.
In saying that, the MM incident from the weekend happened in the pits and thus was open for a number of teams to see it and 'report' it to RD for investigation however the 'light off' occurred on the track with bucketing rain when few people would have been at pit wall in the first place, and then those that were would have returned out of the rain once their rider was past. Essentially, it is easier to 'sticky beak' when things happen in front of you, but when the race is on you are concentrating on YOUR rider thus I suspect that nobody noticed it and thus did not raise it to RD (this does not mean that something could not have been done retroactively such as a fine).
FWIW but the light was off at the start and so the inoperative aspect is mute but why trackside marshals and start line officials did not report it should be asked.
RD showed on the weekend that if advised they will investigate and/or react but it is also a fair question to ask as to why.
As for the rule, I have found it but there seems to be no defined penalty as it falls within the section where 'penalties will be at the discretion of' which to me reads as they may or may not give a penalty. That said however, it is also a technical rule and as Pov and others said at the time, technically it should have been a meatball flag, but again that is technically.
You get three laps after a black flag and thus to me, you have had plenty of warning so if you ignore it then a DQ is a fair result.
Not going into the MM/Willarott incident but Webb was not the be all and end all of the officials at the time and they were under a different set of penalty rules (am not sure to who Marquez would have had to answer - Race Director or steward etc)
From memory only here but there was also conjecture as to whether MM should have even been allowed on the track as the chequered was shown at start/finish as he left the pits
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