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michaelm · Jul 18, 2016

moto vudu said:
He just ran off track into the gravel at high speed. That could've resulted in a DNF. In Assen, he locked up the front in practice... that could've resulted in injury. Sure he's riding well, but some luck has been on his side.

If he wins the championship, he certainly deserves it. I'm just saying there is still a lot of points up for grabs and like Forrest Gump said... .... Happens.

He has looked like crashing in incidents such as those his whole premier class career, and shown a consistent ability to make saves. It was last year when he wouldn't accept any limitations his bike might impose on him and was not prepared to settle for a position other than first, which he is now, that he crashed out of multiple races.

JPSLotus · Jul 18, 2016

moto vudu said:
It's also likely we're about to find out Stoner will be racing at the Red Bull Ring.

He's not racing.

elptxjc · Jul 18, 2016

The difference with Marquez now is he learned NOT to ride over the limit, and that always riding for the win, taking excessive risks, is NOT smart either. And riding at the limit he knows, and learns quickly, with any tire, and any riding conditions. In addition, a crash doesn't spook him either, like the rest of the riders. And that requires master mind-control, and utter confidence in your riding abilities. And finally, he's also willing to crash during practices to find the limits, if needed. The only 2 things that could derail an otherwise deserved WC are mechanical issues and an injury. But he also seems to have become a master in crashing (yes, he's even confident in his crashings), so unless due to extremely bad luck (which can happen, of course), mechanical issues is what could derail his almost-likely WC this year. We'll see. I'd like Danny to win one WC, but don't see that happening.

Keshav · Jul 18, 2016

povol said:
Daniboy, i dont agree with you on much, but you are dead balls on about Brexit. What you have to understand is Kesh is what we call in this country a flaming liberal who wants nothing more than to be "taken care of " by some form of government. I just hope you guys see this damn thing through and re establish yourself as the formidable power financially and militarily the rest of the world can look up to. Then hopefully we will see the error in our ways and join you.

That is of course - an assumption on your part based on jingoistic two-dimensional, Fundamentalist Tea Party memes about stereotyped East Coast Democratic "Elites" (elites by hillbilly thinking, being anyone who went beyond 4th grade and actually acknowledges that the South lost the war) that are passed down from generation to generation - as opposed to anything I have actually said that would confirm this. Being Liberal or Progressive (as you would like to believe, in your naive, black and white mind-set) doesn't preclude being pragmatic or capitalistic. You really don't know me at all. Like I said, you wanna discuss politics - let's do it - but lets not pollute the racing thread.

Richy56 · Jul 18, 2016

moto vudu said:
He just ran off track into the gravel at high speed. That could've resulted in a DNF. In Assen, he locked up the front in practice... that could've resulted in injury. Sure he's riding well, but some luck has been on his side.

If he wins the championship, he certainly deserves it. I'm just saying there is still a lot of points up for grabs and like Forrest Gump said... .... Happens.

Agree, were only half way. The thing ain't done til it's done

imunderandoverit · Jul 18, 2016

BUT he only needs two bad races and rossi and lorenzo will be right up his ... again if they finish first and second or in the top 3. yeah who knows. 48 and 59 points sounds like a bit too much for lorenzo and rossi.. I think he has the wc locked up in his pocket. I dont think he'll crack under pressure.

JPSLotus · Jul 18, 2016

imunderandoverit said:
BUT he only needs two bad races and rossi and lorenzo will be right up his ... again if they finish first and second or in the top 3. yeah who knows. 48 and 59 points sounds like a bit too much for lorenzo and rossi.. I think he has the we lockup in his pocket. I dont think he'll crack under pressure.

Lorenzo may have done Marquez the biggest favor of his life by going to Ducati.

If he wins the title this year, he's going to have become a 5-time champion at the age of 23. Puts him 4 off of VR, and he'll have done it one year earlier than VR who won his 5th title at 24. MM is doing this against better competition than VR faced for his first 5 premier class titles.

He could very well have two bad races, but the odds of crashing decrease dramatically if you are not trying to constantly override the bike. Think about this, he's leading the title purely by picking his spots and not doing dumb .... like he did in 2015. The second half of the season has a slew of Honda circuits on tap. That's bad news for VR since strategy wise, he needed to bag a lot of points in the first half of the season to offset the upcoming Honda advantage, and he was not able to do so.

p4p1 · Jul 18, 2016

Rossi hasn't shown great form in the last part of the season, either last year or 2014 it would be surprising if that changed. Lorenzo has and could possibly close the gap, throw in Pedrosa for a couple wins or maybe some seconds and the last half of the season could get interesting.

imunderandoverit · Jul 18, 2016

Im not gonna say he has the title at 100% lockdown, but it seems like it and i dont think he will let that gap slip away. Who knows.. A1 ring is a whole new track, pedrosa will surely win a race or two or three. Dont count out the ducs and the two yamas may come back better than ever after the brake. 9 races to go and alot can happen.

Keshav · Jul 18, 2016

imunderandoverit said:
Im not gonna say he has the title at 100% lockdown, but it seems like it and i dont think he will let that gap slip away. Who knows.. A1 ring is a whole new track, pedrosa will surely win a race or two or three. Dont count out the ducs and the two yamas may come back better than ever after the brake. 9 races to go and alot can happen.

Dani only won two late in the season last year and he ain't getting any younger, nor does he seem to be coming to grips with the current Honda. Also, last year, Marquez DNFd with alarming frequency. This year... not so much. Massive wheel spin and tiny rider not a good combo.

moto vudu · Jul 18, 2016

If Dani actually turned town an opportunity to switch to Yamaha, I don't see how he wont live to regret it. Even a M1 developed primarily for Rossi would be more manageable for him compared to a RCV developed for Marc. I think Yamaha would put forth a little more effort to make their bike easier for Dani than Honda will ever do as long as Marc is healthy.

povol · Jul 18, 2016

moto vudu said:
If Dani actually turned town an opportunity to switch to Yamaha, I don't see how he wont live to regret it. Even a M1 developed primarily for Rossi would be more manageable for him compared to a RCV developed for Marc. I think Yamaha would put forth a little more effort to make their bike easier for Dani than Honda will ever do as long as Marc is healthy.

I think i read there was never an actual offer from Yamaha to Pedrosa, but was being considered if Vinales went brain dead and turned down the best bike on the grid.

povol · Jul 18, 2016

Dr No said:
Iannone's gesticulating after his divebomb tyre change...What was that about? Slicks v Inters?

Did anyone notice Crutchlows animated kick out at Redding when he passed him on the last lap. Then there was Dovi and Crutchlow ....... with each other coming out of the pits during the bike exchange which looked playful.

povol · Jul 18, 2016

Gaz said:
And the whinging starts - https://twitter.com/KeithHuewen/status/754669763650027520

Keith Heuwen having a whinge because allegedly (have not seen enough to determine) the mechanic on Marquez's bike had the clutch in and gear engaged against the rules posted on 14/7/2016 (he has copied a communique)

Had heard it mentioned elsewhere but it would seem as though as with the rain light at Assen, RD have either ignored the issue or it was not reported to them.

Apparently Krop has reported that the data got checked.

Yes clutch was in but bike was not in gear so all good

Try again Heuwen

Myself, Peter McLaren and Neil Morrison from Crash.net all went to ask Race Director Mike Webb about the incident. Mike Webb told us they had seen the incident, and sent Technical Director Danny Aldridge down to the Repsol Honda garage to check the data from the second bike. That, Webb told us, showed clearly that first gear was engaged a fraction of a second before Márquez rode away. That could only have been done by Márquez.

So the eagle eyed RD was able to see and quickly investigate a clutch being pulled in on a 2 second bike swap, but totally missed Rossi's rain light out for half a race at Assen. Makes you wonder what they would have done if Honda wasnt able to show the bike was in neutral. Would it be guilty until proven innocent .

povol · Jul 18, 2016

JPSLotus said:
He who dares wins | Motor Sport Magazine -Oxley's write-up.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/07/18/2016_sachseningring_sunday_round_up_of.html - Kropo's write-up

Just shows the difference between Miller and Marquez getting heat into the slicks.When Marquez switched to slicks, his first hot lap was around a second faster than when Miller changed to slicks, the second hot lap was 2 seconds faster than Millers, and that was on a considerably dryer track than when Marquez pitted

Jumkie · Jul 18, 2016

"With the Michelin tires in these conditions, change a lot the feeling you had with the Bridgestone when it was raining. I could fight sometimes for the win, sometimes I could fight for the fifth place [with the Bridgestones]. But now with this bike and these tires and these conditions I still am much, much worse." Jlo

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

JPSLotus · Jul 18, 2016

povol said:
Just shows the difference between Miller and Marquez getting heat into the slicks.When Marquez switched to slicks, his first hot lap was around a second faster than when Miller changed to slicks, the second hot lap was 2 seconds faster than Millers, and that was on a considerably dryer track than when Marquez pitted

It really highlights how ...... Lorenzo is going to be at Ducati because unless he changes his entire riding style to be a heavy braker who switches to the slow in, fast out cornering, there is no way he is going to solve the tires on the Desmo. It's not like Michelin is going to change the tire selection to ever benefit him. Going to be nothing but hard carcasses from here thru 2018. MM is going to bag the next three titles.

imunderandoverit · Jul 18, 2016

Nah. 93 wont win 3 in a row. And we still havent seen lorenzo on it. Or maverick at yamaha. Who knows. maybe 17 and 18 will be danis year. Who knows. This season aint even over and we are talking about 17 and 18 and who is gonna win already. Rossi still has another 2 seasons on his contract. Then suzuki might end up winning next year or 18 from nowhere.

moto vudu · Jul 18, 2016

JPSLotus said:
It really highlights how ...... Lorenzo is going to be at Ducati because unless he changes his entire riding style to be a heavy braker who switches to the slow in, fast out cornering, there is no way he is going to solve the tires on the Desmo. It's not like Michelin is going to change the tire selection to ever benefit him. Going to be nothing but hard carcasses from here thru 2018. MM is going to bag the next three titles.

Dovi has a typical 250 rider style and he's doing reasonably well on the Duc. There's still a small glimmer of hope for Lorenzo depending on how quickly he can adapt to the differences.

JPSLotus · Jul 18, 2016

imunderandoverit said:
Nah. 93 wont win 3 in a row. And we still havent seen lorenzo on it. Or maverick at yamaha. Who knows. maybe 17 and 18 will be danis year. Who knows. This season aint even over and we are talking about 17 and 18 and who is gonna win already. Rossi still has another 2 seasons on his contract. Then suzuki might end up winning next year or 18 from nowhere.

I don't think you really understand how good Marc Marquez is, nor do half the people following GP. Well they get he is good, but they're not comprehending how good this kid really is. He is the only guy on the grid that can take a bike that's eh, and make it look like a true championship winning bike. If you put him on the GSX-RR, he would have won multiple races already. It's why Vinales isn't as good as people assume. Since he'll be on the Sherpa M1, the bike will make him look better than he actually is. I actually wish MM signed with Ducati as he is the perfect match for that bike.

MM is almost at the alien pantheon of riders. A title win this year will solidify it for me. Stoner was the last alien, and before him, I'd say Wayne Rainey. VR while very good in his prime, was never an alien rider.

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