They sure have learnt since Phillip Island
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They sure have learnt since Phillip Island
A very large component to any sport is the mental game right? Im more inclined to believe they simply folded up mentally when they knew Yamaha was eyeing a Rossi return. Some of the greatest Champions rise in the face of that challenge, determined to prove naysayers wrong. Spies and the gang did not. Just my opinion.
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I've complimented Rossi quite a few times on here.
See, yourself and infrequent visitors like Reddiwhip don't actually notice it because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion about me.
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So Spies was supposed to rise to the occasion when his swing arm broke at Laguna Seca? Get real dude. That was a component failure, and completely Yamaha's fault.
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Hmm, all this is hardly an answer and you know it. Are you turning into a kind political fundamentalist, replying according to "allegiance" rather than according to reason? Assuming I have that "allegiance", because I've been very critical of Valentino's own conspiracy theory. I understand Rossi's campaign against Lorenzo has made you sour, but why give up common sense because of that.
I didn't read the whole thread, but again: the very simple facts (some of them debatable, but that's secondary) that you listed, even if accepted in toto, can never support the mentioned conspiracy theory, which remains a completely arbitrary conclusion.
It's like saying that since you may like vanilla ice cream (fact) and the local ice cream parlour last week stopped selling vanilla (fact), then there is a conspiracy against you to prevent you from enjoying your favorite ice cream (ops... false!). It's a classic false syllogism, because the link drawn between the facts and the conclusion is arbitrary -- it's false in any language and in any logic system.
Someone called these "sylligisms". Why fall into that kind of pit.
Ah I see this is your attempt to refute Michelin have done 'nothing special' for Rossi. Afterall the tires are still black and round. Just like the Ducati was still red and white.
Btw your little ice-cream example does not conclude with ops false.........................
It ends in debate of the evidence. And people are free to make up there own minds.
Boppers are all the same it this respect, its the reason for the term bopper. They all fall apart at the debating stage and just cover their eyes and ears and scream false, false, false.
BTW all Michael has ever argued and that I agree with is riders should get a choice in tire, meaning we just want to see Lorenzo on his preferred soft tires compete against Rossi on his preferred hard. But that might not be what Ezzpeletta wants, he wants a show afterall. Cover your ears CONSPIRACY!
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Genius. Take off rain tires when its dry and put on dry tires.
I don't know where they came up with that idea
You have a clean slate with me. I honestly haven't thought about you long enough to conceive any notion of you, pre or post. However, the way i see it, because you may (though I haven't read one recently) occasionally compliment a rider, doesnt somehow add merit to a meritless claim about the same rider.
I just respond to what I read man. I don't think you're some bad person or something, not that you would care anyhow. We're just talking racing.
The brain trust at Yamaha went with the intermediates. Explain that one.
Absolutely that mentality and mental application is paramount and I do feel that his played a huge part in Spies problems throughout the season as none of his crew had jobs leading into 2013 and that will play on their minds.
But likewise I suspect that Yamaha were to busy ejaculating at the second coming to realise that they had a very talented rider now and totally overlooked him and his team such that the level of equipment left for Spies was beyond poor and in some cases perhaps bordered on unsafe (rear suspension linkage failure)
I will state here and now that if Rossi was not returning to Yamaha in 2013 then there is no way that Spies would have had the issues that he experienced, and none of that is VR's fault as all he did was sign to return to the team bringing his own crew with him.
In some ways 2012/2013 was or could be seen as a forerunner to the machinations of this season in the way in which some aspects have been handled, but thankfully to date JL has not suffered the mechanical and technical issues experienced by Spies.
And whilst I recognise that many dismiss Spies, the facts remain that from memory he is the only single race winner in Dry conditions since Troy Bayliss of 2006 which is not to be sneezed at.
IMO again but Spies was shafted, wrong place wrong time and whilst I did not see him as a potential World Champion (race winner, absolutely) he was treated far worse than many lesser performing riders
So yes, your implication is that Yamaha purposefully, knowingly, fractured the swing arm, causing it to break, thus sabotaging Spies. Yes, I will get real... dude.
Zeelenberg (on Lorenzos side of the garage) has stated (quoted in a Rossi article) that they had no confidence in the slick in terms of being able to get it heated up enough based on their Friday experiences (the same experiences that have seen others criticised) and thus chose the intermediate as their best option.
He also outright states that only Marquez on the Honda could have made the licks work in the conditions because of his very front focused style.
Will try to find the article but it is on crash.net - MotoGP News - MotoGP Germany: Valentino Rossi: I lost a good opportunity
May also have been posted earlier by MV
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Honda really blew my mind. I thought for sure they would put on ice tires or motorcross knobbies when I saw that dry line
Winning strategy, come in early, change to slicks. Losing strategy, come in late, switch to intermediates. Result was? Credit due where?
And the whinging starts - https://twitter.com/KeithHuewen/status/754669763650027520
Keith Heuwen having a whinge because allegedly (have not seen enough to determine) the mechanic on Marquez's bike had the clutch in and gear engaged against the rules posted on 14/7/2016 (he has copied a communique)
Had heard it mentioned elsewhere but it would seem as though as with the rain light at Assen, RD have either ignored the issue or it was not reported to them.
Apparently Krop has reported that the data got checked.
Yes clutch was in but bike was not in gear so all good
Try again Heuwen
Keith Heuwen having a whinge because allegedly (have not seen enough to determine) the mechanic on Marquez's bike had the clutch in and gear engaged against the rules posted on 14/7/2016 (he has copied a communique)
Had heard it mentioned elsewhere but it would seem as though as with the rain light at Assen, RD have either ignored the issue or it was not reported to them.
Apparently Krop has reported that the data got checked.
Yes clutch was in but bike was not in gear so all good
Try again Heuwen
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What implication?
I made no such implication with what I said.
I was refuting your claim that Spies and his side of the garage should have rose to the occasion, by pointing out the swingarm failure was Yamaha's fault.
You should know I don't imply things around here, I state what I think flatout. Ask anyone and they'll tell you I'm not going to beat around the bush like some of the fence sitters around here.
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My bad, I didnt realize, riding rain tires in the dry is a strategy
Actually, just came across this with regards to Spies as well - seems that Yamaha boss made him feel 'unwelcome' after a bout of food poisoning
What I do know is that Yamaha's Japanese boss came in and had a stern word with Spies, and that was what caused Spies to want to leave Yamaha. His tone was very harsh, after having had food poisoning.
What I do know is that Yamaha's Japanese boss came in and had a stern word with Spies, and that was what caused Spies to want to leave Yamaha. His tone was very harsh, after having had food poisoning.
It is a strategy ............. may not be a good one or successful or smart ............ but it is a strategy
Maybe they had bet on a positional finish?
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You got it that's the Rossi killer. The hard front that's very difficult to get heat is the Lorenzo vanilla icecream killer. His style is too buttery smooth particularly on the brakes to generate enough heat.
Rossi is much better at getting heat in a hard tire due to his heavy braking, but unfortunately in this regard Marquez is king. Marquez would struggle more on a softer front like last year with the numerous crashes where the front was folding under the strain. But of course on those spec tires Lorenzo won 4 races straight. Poor Rossi his precious 10th is still just out of reach.
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