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ReddiWhip said:

Clearly, that was a joke. I even went as far as to put the smile face on there. I tried to point out that virtually no one on earth would turn their nose up at that money which was his assertion. That was his opinion, which is why I framed it around him. No offense intended to him or anyone else.

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Your "just joking"/on a plane superior to you obsessed Rossi haters shtick might be more successful if your every response to criticism of Rossi wasn't so deadly serious.

michaelm said:

Your "just joking"/on a plane superior to you obsessed Rossi haters shtick might be more successful if your every response to criticism of Rossi wasn't so deadly serious.

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I have a dry, dead pan approach to comedy, which clearly is not playing well in this theater. Seriously, I'm really light hearted. Sorry I'm on the wrong foot here.

And for the record, I don't believe I'm superior to anyone here.

michaelm said:

Your "just joking"/on a plane superior to you obsessed Rossi haters shtick might be more successful if your every response to criticism of Rossi wasn't so deadly serious.

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Are you seriously trying to suggest JPSLotus isn't a Rossi hater and he simply posts objective criticism of Valentino?

moto vudu said:

Are you seriously trying to suggest JPSLotus isn't a Rossi hater and he simply posts objective criticism of Valentino?

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I made no comment about JPS, and make no claims to being unbiased myself.

What I object to is actually what you are doing, considering others biased while ignoring your own bias.

moto vudu said:

Wait, you think Rossi & team decided to stick with intermediates so they could attempt passes on the damp areas off the racing line? I think Rossi is a talented rider, but holy .... bro!! When Rossi left the pits, everyone in front of him at least had a slick rear. Slicks on the dry line are at least 2 seconds a lap faster than intermediates. Your theory is Rossi planned on passing riders who were on slicks by using intermediates to pull off the racing line onto the wet sections of the track!

I really, really, needed that laugh.

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They didn't have time to change tires and set up to suit YOUR fantasy. Not all riders had slicks in front of him. Go back and watch the race again. Then, maybe you can get a grasp of the situation, rather than insulting me. Or is that just the pattern here when people talk out their behinds?

ReddiWhip said:

Ouch! Rossi hatred has made the board so serious these days. I thought that long diatribe was a literal joke, which is why I made a joke of it.

The championship last year was decided by ONE POSISITON. You make it sound as though Rossi is riding around circuits on training wheels. Your post clearly illustrates how clouded your judgment is on this topic. And as far as shelf life is concerned, it's only as long as the duration of the contract as far as the interest of the factory goes. That you wrote up the long post to try and discredit Rossi's very obvious worth both as a rider and a marketing force, in the face of common sense, proves beyond shadow of doubt that your view isnt grounded in reality, weather you're a Rossi fan or not. Lastly, 90% of the grid would suck .... on TV to get that contract which you put so little value in.

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Excellent post and bang on sir. Certainly no need to apologize.

michaelm said:

I made no comment about JPS, and make no claims to being unbiased myself.

What I object to is actually what you are doing, considering others biased while ignoring your own bias.

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We are all biased, I have never stated otherwise. However, you don't see me typing up 2,000 word dissertations pretending I'm simply offering objective criticism about Lorenzo when all I'm really saying is "Lorenzo sucks and Yamaha should can him immediately".

Several members here are not critical of Rossi, they simply hate him. That's fine and they have a right to dislike whoever they want. But they're not fooling anyone and don't call their hateful posts "criticism".

Iamapony said:

They didn't have time to change tires and set up to suit YOUR fantasy. Not all riders had slicks in front of him. Go back and watch the race again. Then, maybe you can get a grasp of the situation, rather than insulting me. Or is that just the pattern here when people talk out their behinds?

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I wasn't trying to insult you at all. Your post actually did make me laugh because I pictured Rossi pulling off the dry line onto the wet trying to execute passes. :giggle:

The main riders Rossi needed to keep up with for a podium were Dovi and Crutchlow. If I'm not mistaken, both of those riders had switched to slicks.

moto vudu said:

We are all biased, I have never stated otherwise. However, you don't see me typing up 2,000 word dissertations pretending I'm simply offering objective criticism about Lorenzo when all I'm really saying is "Lorenzo sucks and Yamaha should can him immediately".

Several members here are not critical of Rossi, they simply hate him. That's fine and they have to right to dislike whoever they want. But they're not fooling anyone and don't call their hateful posts "criticism".

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I certainly actively dislike Rossi now, but didn't prior to Sepang 2015 (I agree in advance this is not highly relevant, and nor is whether or not you choose to believe me), despite my allegiance being to other riders for at least a decade.

To put it more bluntly, what I take issue with is the high dudgeon induced in those such as you by criticism of Rossi by a few posters on here, when surely the issue in the wider world is criticism which has bordered on persecution of several of his rivals, and in which on the evidence of last year Rossi is complicit.

michaelm said:

I certainly actively dislike Rossi now, but didn't prior to Sepang 2015 (I agree in advance this is not highly highly relevant, and nor is whether or not you choose to believe me), despite my allegiance being to other riders for at least a decade.

To put it more bluntly, what I take issue with is the high dudgeon induced in those such as you by criticism of Rossi by a few posters on here, when surely the issue in the wider world is criticism which has bordered on persecution of several of his rivals, and in which on the evidence of last year Rossi is complicit.

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I don't care who likes Rossi or who doesn't. Just keep it real and be honest with your opinions. Don't think anyone's fooled by fake criticism when all you're really saying is you hate him.

JPSLotus said:

Yamaha made no such good faith attempt to resign Lorenzo.

They did everything short of not offering him a contract to drive him out of the team starting with their decision to not celebrate his 3rd world title for the team.

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They offered him a take it or leave it contract saying this is all we can do, knowing the mood at the moment would more than likely would persuade Lorenzo to consider the Ducati offering. It was a calculated move hoping Lorenzo would leave without them looking like the fools they are. Basically Lorenzo was forced out.

moto vudu said:

I don't care who likes Rossi or who doesn't. Just keep it real and be honest with your opinions. Don't think anyone's fooled by fake criticism when all you're really saying is you hate him.

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Here we go again.

You make my point; what you imply is that criticism of Rossi can only be based on hatred, the very attitude with which I take issue.

Several on here who make no bones about disliking Rossi, including the very knowledgeable Povol, have no problem acknowledging his talent and achievements, but criticise him for reasons which we are happy to propound, to which your only answer seems to be to call the posters concerned "haters"; you certainly don't seem to be able to do much in the way of debunking/refuting said criticism.

Daniboy said:

Just out of interest what sources are you reading/watching ?

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Daniboy, i dont agree with you on much, but you are dead balls on about Brexit. What you have to understand is Kesh is what we call in this country a flaming liberal who wants nothing more than to be "taken care of " by some form of government. I just hope you guys see this damn thing through and re establish yourself as the formidable power financially and militarily the rest of the world can look up to. Then hopefully we will see the error in our ways and join you.

moto vudu said:

Are you seriously trying to suggest JPSLotus isn't a Rossi hater and he simply posts objective criticism of Valentino?

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I've never claimed to be unbiased. However I have made objective criticism of Rossi one way or another whether you want to believe that. For example, I have criticized more than Rossi for towing.

michaelm said:

Here we go again.

You make my point; what you imply is that criticism of Rossi can only be based on hatred, the very attitude with which I take issue.

Several on here who make no bones about disliking Rossi, including the very knowledgeable Povol, have no problem acknowledging his talent and achievements, but criticise him for reasons which we are happy to propound, to which your only answer seems to be to call the posters concerned "haters"; you certainly don't seem to be able to do much in the way of debunking/refuting said criticism.

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No, what I'm saying is that most of us can easily spot the difference between criticism and hatred.

A. I'm not sure Lorenzo has given 100% effort in the last two races. I believe he is much more capable in the wet than what he has shown.

B. Lorenzo is wasting Yamaha's money by purposely riding around near last place. He is terrible and what he is doing is disgraceful. Why is Yamaha even paying that fool? He needs special edge-grip treated tires in order to be fast, maybe he's the one in cahoot with tire manufacturers. Dorna and their damn bias toward Spanish riders.

^-- Easy to spot which is criticism and which is BS hate speech.

JPSLotus said:

I've never claimed to be unbiased. However I have made objective criticism of Rossi one way or another whether you want to believe that. For example, I have criticized more than Rossi for towing.

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True, you have made it clear you hate towing regardless who's doing it. But, when discussing Rossi your dislike for him rarely allows you to objectively criticize him.

As far the race, i couldnt be happier as a Marquez fan. I see all these boppers around the net whining that the championship is over, that all they really want is a tight championship. ........, all they want is Rossi to win and they threaten to go away when he isnt.You never heard them threaten to stop watching when Rossi was 70 points ahead at the break. I personally love runaway championships, when its my guy running away with it, but sure as hell dont stop watching when my guy is sucking hind teat. I have been hard on Marquez's crew, so i will give them a big ole slap on the back for the call today, it won the race.The riders who stayed out 3 and 4 laps after their crew told them box, you got what you deserved and handed Marquez the win. Happy for Crutchlow and happy Dovi got around Redding, didnt want to hear him for the next month tell us how he knew he had it in him blah blah blah. Do something in the dry and get back to us.

michaelm said:

Here we go again.

You make my point; what you imply is that criticism of Rossi can only be based on hatred, the very attitude with which I take issue.

Several on here who make no bones about disliking Rossi, including the very knowledgeable Povol, have no problem acknowledging his talent and achievements, but criticise him for reasons which we are happy to propound, to which your only answer seems to be to call the posters concerned "haters"; you certainly don't seem to be able to do much in the way of debunking/refuting said criticism.

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I could be wrong, but I believe he's strictly referring to extreme examples of the point which you are both making. Sometimes it becomes redundant, and the conclusion obvious.

Like the other week when there were monsoon conditions, and the argument was made that the race was flagged only because it would benefit a certain rider. One could say a logical conclusion was that the race was flaged because multiple riders had already crashed and conditions were worsening. Others would say that it really was because inferred rider was overtaken.

Making the argument that the latter is true because it can't be disproved (debunked) is an appeal to ignorance, a fallacious argument.

Everyone has a bias, no doubt. Some do a better job of "attempting" objectivity than others. That is in no way a statement of innocence on my behalf, or a indictment of anyone else. Merely a statement of fact. I cheer for Yamaha, and any rider on the team.

povol said:

As far the race, i couldnt be happier as a Marquez fan. I see all these boppers around the net whining that the championship is over, that all they really want is a tight championship. ........, all they want is Rossi to win and they threaten to go away when he isnt.You never heard them threaten to stop watching when Rossi was 70 points ahead at the break. I personally love runaway championships, when its my guy running away with it, but sure as hell dont stop watching when my guy is sucking hind teat. I have been hard on Marquez's crew, so i will give them a big ole slap on the back for the call today, it won the race.The riders who stayed out 3 and 4 laps after their crew told them box, you got what you deserved and handed Marquez the win. Happy for Crutchlow and happy Dovi got around Redding, didnt want to hear him for the next month tell us how he knew he had it in him blah blah blah. Do something in the dry and get back to us.

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Their strategy today was a stroke of pure genius. HOnda and MM deserved the win.

ReddiWhip said:

Yeah, throwing out silly labels really proves your point. Once you resort to name calling, you've lost.

I read what you wrote, i just disagree with all of your premises. Also it's rather obvious that business tactics, press releases, and contract negotiations are not your areas of strength. Further, since most of your posts are nonsensical anti-Rossi bashings, i think it's fair to say you're not very objective on the topic. Case in point, your hinting that Spies was sabotaged for Rossi's benefit. Good one!

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JPS is not the only one who has made mention of the suspicion in this regard as I for one do firmly believe (and stated elsewhere) that once it was announced that VR was returning, Spies side of the garage became very second level in Yamaha's eyes as their focus immediately shifted to the second coming and how to best to manage it.

IMO here but Spies team made way to many mistakes (technical/setup/component etc) to believe that he was not on the receiving end of the whacking stick to beat him to submission.

Did VR play a part actively - no, but his return changed the focus of Yamaha and the team as Spies team were all to be effectively unemployed at years end.

Sabotage, .... no but a definite dropping of the ball, or as some may say, a totally defeatist attitude by the team that (again IMO here) unfairly punished Spies and has continued to punish Spies.

povol said:

They offered him a take it or leave it contract saying this is all we can do, knowing the mood at the moment would more than likely would persuade Lorenzo to consider the Ducati offering. It was a calculated move hoping Lorenzo would leave without them looking like the fools they are. Basically Lorenzo was forced out.

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Said it at the time Pov ............. it smacked of a business managing out an employee and I will stand by it.

Yamaha's offer was likely lip service as by Lorenzo choosing to go elsewhere they (Yamaha) can maintain a high road

moto vudu said:

True, you have made it clear you hate towing regardless who's doing it. But, when discussing Rossi your dislike for him rarely allows you to objectively criticize him.

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JPS has also been extremely complimentary of Rossi when the situation has called for it.

Hatred generally does not allow one to be complimentary s begrudging respect comes across in two dimensional as much as it does three dimensional.

He may not worship at the altar but then, there are so few spots left where would he fit