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Why are:

Cuntslow
Dovi
Redding
Iannone
Pedrosa
and especially Miller

....... with Rossi's championship?


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
Hahaha, it's only Rossi to be blamed to put himself into this situation. His decision making in the wet race or flag to flag race is appalling after Silverstone.

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I don't even believe you thought all three were the next big thing.

No one saw Stoner coming outside of his dad when he negotiated the Ducati contract after a few riders passed on signing.
You could see all their talents in the 250 class, they were the ones winning week in week out, in all honesty I thought Pedrosa would be the most successful of them but it turned out to be Lorenzo followed by Stoner . For some reason Moto 2 doesn't seem to turn out the same kind of talent.
 
Remember Baz pitting early then promptly returning to the pits once he discovered his team have given him a slick rear. Turns out he should've stayed on that slick. Lol
 
You could see all their talents in the 250 class, they were the ones winning week in week out, in all honesty I thought Pedrosa would be the most successful of them but it turned out to be Lorenzo followed by Stoner . For some reason Moto 2 doesn't seem to turn out the same kind of talent.

It happens in sport all the time, an era of insane talent comes through then there's a bit of a lull before the next one.
 
I'm curious to know if MM's slicks were a team decision - or (I suspect) Marquez's preference.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw away Bridgestones.
 
And to add about this era of talent, more and more guys are beating the top 4 which could certainly point to the advantages the factory guys had being very significant in making them look head and shoulders above everyone else.
 
And to add about this era of talent, more and more guys are beating the top 4 which could certainly point to the advantages the factory guys had being very significant in making them look head and shoulders above everyone else.

It's only on days like this when the top 4 get beat, in a normal dry race they will win. If you swapped VR/JL for BS/PE and MM/DP for CC/JM the factory riders would just win by a lesser margin.
 
No, that is not good faith.

Everything about the way Yamaha handled things post-Sepang 2015 showed they were more concerned about appeasing Rossi than making Lorenzo feel welcome since he has won more races and titles for Yamaha since the start of the 2010 season. Rossi has done nothing of the sort. He's won races, but nowhere near the amount of Lorenzo. Normal sport contracts, or at least the smart ones pay out based on projected performance rather than past performance. Certainly past performance does get people paid, but it's also how you wind up with incredibly ill-advised deals.

The smart money the next few years was that Lorenzo would be in a better position to outperform Rossi over the long haul especially with age being a consideration. Instead, both were offered identical contracts. If you take both past and future predictors into account, Lorenzo beats Rossi in every aspect outside of fan appeal which doesn't mean a ....... thing for race results. And please, spare me the ........ of 'Rossi sells bikes'...I ran through some of Yamaha's total volume sales globally, and more specifically the supposed core markets that Rossi is supposed to help increase sales in such as Southeast Asia. In the wake of his departure to Ducati, while sales did drop, Yamaha Corporate's own literature attributed the drop in sales in that region due to flooding and economic slowdown. Economic slowdown was also blamed for a decrease in global sales. There was not one mention of Valentino Rossi's departure in the literature you would read as an investor. Which in short is to say that Rossi as a bike seller is total ........, and a fable created by Yamaha Racing and their marketing division to justify the racing division. Yamaha Racing is far different from HRC in that HRC tends to be engaging in engineering exercises, and are looking to learn from what they design and build for racing, whereas Yamaha Racing has become more of a glorified marketing campaign.

Simply offering a contract is not good faith when it diminishes what the person has done, and presumes their direct competitor, who has been demolished in the head-to-head stats since 2009 is somehow their equal. 2008 doesn't count due to the unequal tire situation in the team.

Dude, I don't know what you make a year, but if your company offers you Rossi-Money, and you take that gesture as a slap in the face, why the .... are you wasting your time on this message board? :D

Also, you have to admit, Yamaha's racing outcomes are pretty excellent for a marketing company.
 
I'm curious to know if MM's slicks were a team decision - or (I suspect) Marquez's preference.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw away Bridgestones.

They said during the race that Michelin pretty much said if the track is dry enough for intermediates, you might as well just run a slick. For whatever reason, Honda was the only one that really listened to that advice.
 
Congrats to Marc. If he wins this title, it will be his doing.

Regarding his crew's decision to put slicks, that was a 'gamble' that paid off. I'm not gonna say it was genius, it could have just as easily been detrimental.

When Petrucci was leading, I would have bet my paycheck he was going to crash.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

This title is not over. It's tailor-made for Rossi to win. He's just doing a good job pissing away his obvious tire advantage.

Jum, you've always been one hell of a promoter. You're impressively skilled in the art of creating a narrative that'll keep people engaged. Inside however, you know this championship is freakin' over!
 
Dude, I don't know what you make a year, but if your company offers you Rossi-Money, and you take that gesture as a slap in the face, why the .... are you wasting your time on this message board? :D

Also, you have to admit, Yamaha's racing outcomes are pretty excellent for a marketing company.

Silly post.

This has nothing to do with me, so I don't see why you feel the need to pose a hypothetical about what I would do regarding those contracts, since what I would, or would not do, is not at all important to what is being discussed.

Again the larger point remains that when making a contract offer to both riders, you do not offer both an equal contract, especially when one has a much longer shelf-life, and has been consistently outperforming the other for the better part of seven seasons. Thinking Rossi should have gotten an equal contract to the man who just delivered another rider's championship to Yamaha --the third one, while the other hasn't done anything since the 800cc formula-- is to be so oblivious to reality. Any top rider would have taken that contract offering as a slap in the face, and rightfully so.
 
Just out of interest what sources are you reading/watching ?

One thing I've learned; leave long drawn out discussions of politics or religion out of racing threads. It's never appreciated. If you want to discuss this - start a new thread - but not in the racing part of the forum.
 
I thought this was a good explanation of Rossi/Yamaha's decision making. Because of the struggle they had Friday, they didn't think they would be able to get enough heat into a front slick. I suppose they still could have kept the intermediate front and switched to a rear slick, but maybe that would've made it more likely to lose the front.

Valentino Rossi saw a golden opportunity to pull back points on MotoGP title leader Marc Marquez slip away in the closing stages of Sunday's Sachsenring race.

While Marquez dropped to ninth after running off-track in the early wet stages of the grand prix, then down to 14th after pitting for his dry bike, Rossi was in the thick of a five-way victory battle.

But the intensity of the contest seemed to lull the frontrunners into waiting too long before pitting for their dry bikes, allowing the charging Marquez to complete an unlikely victory comeback.

Things went from bad to worse for Rossi, who emerged on intermediates and couldn't keep pace with the podium battle, leaving him in eighth place.

“It's a great shame because I think that we can be competitive in a dry race and also in a normal wet race I can fight for the victory,” Rossi said. “But unfortunately it stopped raining and became dry. So we lost a good opportunity to make good points.”

Rossi - like race leader Dovizioso, Cal Crutchlow and Hector Barbera - made his pit stop on lap 23 of 30. Given Marquez's speed on slicks, and Andrea Iannone's on intermediates, they undoubtedly stayed out longer than their teams wanted.

But Rossi's biggest issue was the lack of speed after his pit stop, the Yamaha star losing almost ten-seconds to eventual podium finishers Crutchlow (2nd) and Dovizioso (3rd) in the space of three laps.

“The biggest problem was that I was very slow in the second part of the race with the intermediate on the drying track,” The Doctor confirmed. “I had no feeling with the bike. I was very, very slow in the first lap, ten seconds, because I didn't feel the bike. I didn't feel the tyres.”

With Marquez in spectator form on slicks, some were quick to state that fitting intermediates to Rossi's bike had clearly been a mistake.

But while all the riders that finished in front of Rossi had at least a slick rear tyre, only the Hondas - renowned for working the front tyre - went for slicks front and rear.

Indeed, Jorge Lorenzo's team manager Wilco Zeelenberg believes only the combination of Marquez's hard-riding style and the Honda's tendency to (over) load the front allowed the Spaniard to get away with such an early change to slicks.

“After the problems we had [getting temperature into] the front tyre on Friday we decided to put the intermediates,” Rossi explained. “We make the decision together with the team, because on Friday for us the soft front slick was too hard.

“I don't know if it was a wrong choice and it would be interesting to try the slick if we can go back in time. But on paper the slick can also be more difficult because in the first lap I had no feeling even with the intermediate tyres and I was very slow.

“I think in these conditions first of all I'm not very strong, but also our bike is very difficult to ride because it doesn't give enough feeling to push from the beginning, and at the end I finish just eighth and I lost a good opportunity to make points.

“It's a great shame because in the normal conditions, dry or wet, we can arrive on the podium. But it's like this, and we try next time.”

Team-mate Lorenzo struggled even more than Rossi, finishing in just 15th place.

Rossi has closed to eleven points behind the reigning world champion, but is now 59 points from Marquez as MotoGP heads for its mid-season break.

“It's very difficult,” Rossi said of the championship situation. “In these first nine races I don't take the amount of points that I can take, because I did some mistakes. So the distance with Marquez, to the top, is very hard.

“But anyway, we have another half of the championship. Nine races is very long. We need to work well, try to be competitive, make the maximum and after we will see.”

Rossi will be back on track alongside most of his rivals during this week's private test in Austria.
Read more at MotoGP News - MotoGP Germany: Valentino Rossi: I lost a good opportunity
 
Silly post.

This has nothing to do with me, so I don't see why you feel the need to pose a hypothetical about what I would do regarding those contracts, since what I would, or would not do, is not at all important to what is being discussed.

Again the larger point remains that when making a contract offer to both riders, you do not offer both an equal contract, especially when one has a much longer shelf-life, and has been consistently outperforming the other for the better part of seven seasons. Thinking Rossi should have gotten an equal contract to the man who just delivered another rider's championship to Yamaha --the third one, while the other hasn't done anything since the 800cc formula-- is to be so oblivious to reality. Any top rider would have taken that contract offering as a slap in the face, and rightfully so.

Ouch! Rossi hatred has made the board so serious these days. I thought that long diatribe was a literal joke, which is why I made a joke of it.

The championship last year was decided by ONE POSISITON. You make it sound as though Rossi is riding around circuits on training wheels. Your post clearly illustrates how clouded your judgment is on this topic. And as far as shelf life is concerned, it's only as long as the duration of the contract as far as the interest of the factory goes. That you wrote up the long post to try and discredit Rossi's very obvious worth both as a rider and a marketing force, in the face of common sense, proves beyond shadow of doubt that your view isnt grounded in reality, weather you're a Rossi fan or not. Lastly, 90% of the grid would suck .... on TV to get that contract which you put so little value in.
 
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Cal is hilarious. He has finished 5 of 9 races and finally gets on the podium and starts talking .....

Cal Crutchlow: “I was fast even in the dry, I told everyone I was the fourth fastest guy and I was correct. For those that were watching from home and not believing me I proved that. 13th on the grid I knew it had to be a long race so I went for the harder option front tyre. I don’t think many others had the balls to do it because in the first laps it wasn’t dangerous, but was tough to manage with the Honda. I knew I would get quicker and as in Assen it was about keeping your head focused. I pitted way too late, I didn’t look at my board for one lap.

“I followed the guys in front and I caught Vale, I caught Dovi who was leading and I didn’t think anybody could beat us even if we stayed out so I took the gamble. I probably should have stayed out, even if I stayed out I would have been in a good position but thanks to my team. The team have done a great job, I’m disappointed not to have my wife here, it’s the second race in nine years she’s not been to. Disappointing not to have her here but she’s at home keeping our little baby warm in the belly and it’s coming out soon, looking forward to that!”
 
One thing I've learned; leave long drawn out discussions of politics or religion out of racing threads. It's never appreciated. If you want to discuss this - start a new thread - but not in the racing part of the forum.

There is an existing thread, I'll post in that.
 

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