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I think Jarvis said it best, "Trust me, it's not easy to run with two top dogs in the same team".

For Yamaha, maybe the busines sense was the revenues that traditionally come with Rossi.

true. they either have to be fast,have a very bright future or bring in marketing value, rossi has two of those attributes, as far as business goes i would never call hiring rossi a bad decision.

as long as he is around, he will be hired and probably be highest paid rider out there too.
 
If they made an offer with $, that was the good faith. They did make an offer. Ducati bested the offer, which is only logical, and coupled with the fractured vr relationship, explains the split.

No, that is not good faith.

Everything about the way Yamaha handled things post-Sepang 2015 showed they were more concerned about appeasing Rossi than making Lorenzo feel welcome since he has won more races and titles for Yamaha since the start of the 2010 season. Rossi has done nothing of the sort. He's won races, but nowhere near the amount of Lorenzo. Normal sport contracts, or at least the smart ones pay out based on projected performance rather than past performance. Certainly past performance does get people paid, but it's also how you wind up with incredibly ill-advised deals.

The smart money the next few years was that Lorenzo would be in a better position to outperform Rossi over the long haul especially with age being a consideration. Instead, both were offered identical contracts. If you take both past and future predictors into account, Lorenzo beats Rossi in every aspect outside of fan appeal which doesn't mean a ....... thing for race results. And please, spare me the ........ of 'Rossi sells bikes'...I ran through some of Yamaha's total volume sales globally, and more specifically the supposed core markets that Rossi is supposed to help increase sales in such as Southeast Asia. In the wake of his departure to Ducati, while sales did drop, Yamaha Corporate's own literature attributed the drop in sales in that region due to flooding and economic slowdown. Economic slowdown was also blamed for a decrease in global sales. There was not one mention of Valentino Rossi's departure in the literature you would read as an investor. Which in short is to say that Rossi as a bike seller is total ........, and a fable created by Yamaha Racing and their marketing division to justify the racing division. Yamaha Racing is far different from HRC in that HRC tends to be engaging in engineering exercises, and are looking to learn from what they design and build for racing, whereas Yamaha Racing has become more of a glorified marketing campaign.

Simply offering a contract is not good faith when it diminishes what the person has done, and presumes their direct competitor, who has been demolished in the head-to-head stats since 2009 is somehow their equal. 2008 doesn't count due to the unequal tire situation in the team.
 
Unknown quantity would infer Vinales never raced in GP before, which is not true.

He hasn't given me much hope of being the next big thing which is something Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa did.
 
He hasn't given me much hope of being the next big thing which is something Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa did.

I don't even believe you thought all three were the next big thing.

No one saw Stoner coming outside of his dad when he negotiated the Ducati contract after a few riders passed on signing.
 
Congrats to Marc. If he wins this title, it will be his doing.

Regarding his crew's decision to put slicks, that was a 'gamble' that paid off. I'm not gonna say it was genius, it could have just as easily been detrimental.

When Petrucci was leading, I would have bet my paycheck he was going to crash.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

This title is not over. It's tailor-made for Rossi to win. He's just doing a good job pissing away his obvious tire advantage.
 
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I think we can safely now call the rain interruption or flag to flag race helps only Honda or MM. After Silverstone, only Honda has won the next five flag to flag races. Only advantage Rossi gains is his relative position difference with his fellow Yamaha rider JLo.

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Why are:

Cuntslow
Dovi
Redding
Iannone
Pedrosa
and especially Miller

....... with Rossi's championship?


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
Great race
Marquez and Honda made a great call, and their apparent theory about intermediates being pretty useless seems to be true so far. His save in the gravel was fantastic as well.

Rossi lost on his arrogance or lack of faith in his team either way it's a bad sign.

Loved seeing Miller up there again seems to be paying back the faith Honda showed in him and I think if he continues this form he deserves a factory ride soon.

Lorenzo just no confidence in mixed conditions, he was one of the first Marquez passed and should've seen the advantages of coming back in.

Vinaeles was unimpressive again and I think Yamaha are in trouble having Rossi and him as their riders for the next 2 years.
 
So where is moto vudu?
Bet he is trying to come up with some reasons of logic to explain rossi epic FAIL..........

I woke up early to watch the race live, then went back to sleep.

There was a lot of risky decisions and gambling going on which is the norm for races with changing conditions. As fans, we were getting more information than the riders out on track. So to call some riders dumb for not pitting is ridiculous. The lead riders knew Marquez pitted, but they would not have known he was on slicks, how fast he was, or that he wouldn't end up in the gravel for taking such a risk. It's all a gamble, they gambled on staying out longer and lost. Marc gambled on pitting and it turned out to be the right move.

Even if Rossi pitted one lap after Marc, his team had intermediates on his 2nd bike... so hindsight tells us he still wouldn't have been able to match Marc's pace.. but he should have been able to at least get on the podium.

I enjoyed the race, there was a lot of riders riding extremely well in the tricky conditions it was awesome to watch. Congrats to Marc, he deserved the win.
 
Surely you can agree that it's only severe arrogance on Rossis part which stopped him from pitting and learning from last year though?
 
Surely you can agree that it's only severe arrogance on Rossis part which stopped him from pitting and learning from last year though?

You can't simply take what happened at Misano and apply it every race going forward that starts wet and ends dry. Do the riders know it wont start raining again? Do they know what tires their rivals who already pitted are on and how much faster they are? This isn't F1 where there drivers and teams have radio communication. All GP riders see is "BOX" which tells them their 2nd bike is ready (or should be ready), but it's still up to them to decide when is the best time to pit. They're making that decision to decide when to pit off of VERY VERY LITTLE information.

Look at Marc's situation. He had just run off track and lost quite a few positions. IMO, it was easier for him to decide to go ahead and take his chances with an early pit. If Marc was still with the lead riders, maybe he wouldn't have pitted when he did?!
 
ill take that as a no then

Arrogant rider or not. Any rider in top 3 positions that doesn't have sufficient information about what's happening behind him will find giving up that potential podium to pull into the pits a difficult decision. That's why all the riders (beside Miller) who stayed out all ended up pitting together. No-one wanted to give up their position while the others stayed in the lead. WE knew Marc was running them down as if they were on bicycles, but they didn't know that.
 
Motorsport is a team sport like it or not if a rider doesn't listen to his or her team then it's on them and no one else. The team has that information which is why when your team tells you to pit it's a good idea.
 
Motorsport is a team sport like it or not if a rider doesn't listen to his or her team then it's on them and no one else. The team has that information which is why when your team tells you to pit it's a good idea.

I agree with you, it's a team effort. Maybe the riders should just pit the lap after they see "BOX" on their board. That way, if it turns out to be the wrong decision they can't be blamed.
 
Good race very entertaining... good call by Honda or marquez.
Lorenzo is still a ....
 
Marquez will win his 16th straight race at the sausagering.
Good prediction:D.

Did you hear his interview? For anyone one who doubted me I was the fastest in the dry.
Now the few who liked him are not going to anymore. Ha ha. Marquez was just cruising, you fool

Sounds like it was a great race. And yes, if you don't trust your team with pit calls in changing weather, you're screwed. Riders can only see current track conditions, but they can't see weather forecasts, and THAT is what makes or breaks a pit stop in such conditions. Finally, for some reason, Lorenzo has become a ..... in challenging weather; don't remember him being that afraid before. Marc is the best rider in all conditions IMO, and now that he has learned to rein himself in, watch out for that guy. Barring disaster, he should easily eclipse the prima donna's records:D.
 
For those who yesterday said wait until tomorrow, well I did.

What I saw was a masterclass team performance by Honda, Marquez rode that dry line brilliantly. Great to see dovi on the podium too

Rossi thought he was God by trying to walk on water again and ignoring his team, he should know better with his experience.

Lorenzo kept it on the island and after a disastorous mid season, still out performs his teammate overall. My word Yamaha are in the .... next year
 

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