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The team made the call at the right time or thereabouts, Rossi ignored them and he did it in Misano too.
That post wasnt a commentary on rider selection moving forward in the future. It was merely an acknowledgment of the richness of the fluid leaking from Lorenzo these last few races.
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Wouldnt have happened with Burgess.
Its beginning to look like it was Burgess who really won all those WCs.
Sure, that was my comment, hence the "notwithstanding".
As far as Lorenzo goes, I don't think the courage of any man who rides competitively 2 days after fracturing a clavicle and having it plated can be seriously questioned, although he obviously can get down on himself.
As Kesh said, perhaps he has decided with his team backing his team-mate and development presumably focusing on said team-mate and in the absence of tyres which suit him he has no chance against a rampant Marquez and has given up on Yamaha as they have given up on him, and is looking to fight another day, or another season at least.
Karma can be a .....; as I said I am not sure I would be looking for too many championships from their continuing and future factory riders if I were Yamaha, and allowing for my patriotic bias perhaps Honda weren't so stupid to sign Jack Miller either.
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To be fair, I think Mick Doohan and Valentino Rossi mainly won all those championships Barry, although having JB as crew chief was perhaps not exactly an impediment.
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I really don't understand the rationale of waiting so long to come in. How fast do tires start cooling off after the warmers are removed? And one would think a rider should trust that his team, seeing how the rest of the grid is getting on, would make a good decision as to when to come in. Arrogance I suppose.
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Im beginning to wonder though ..... Did Doohan win without Burgess?
rossi sure hasnt in the proper class.
One can be certain that Yamaha made a good faith attempt to resign the reigning world champion.
Rossi is in the Twilight of his career, so another Championship from him is unlikely. Vin has a lot to prove. So I don't think it will be a matter of karma. And who knows, Lorenzo could just as easily come back to Yamaha in the future, in fact I think it's likely.
Lorzeno is beast. He did push ups to prove he could ride when he broke said bone, which is ....... amazing. Clearly a joke. Have some fun. Past next season, when he's not on a Yamaha, I defintely don't wish to see him win.
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I think it can turn into a herd mentality where everyone is afraid by pitting first when that close, they will be somehow at a disadvantage. Plus don't forget, they don't know the exact times Marquez was putting down as soon as his slicks warmed up. If they knew his first full lap took 4 seconds out, and was increasing by a second each lap, they may all have gotten off the track faster. I always thought Rossi's decision at Misano to stay out was to try and goad Lorenzo into not pitting giving where they were at that point of the championship. It worked in some regard since Lorenzo crashed out pushing too hard to try and catch Rossi. But that race was notable for the fact that had Rossi pitted earlier, he wouldn't have lost a few positions, along with the points that ultimately cost him the championship. His 2015 title was lost at Misano, not Phillip Island as people mistakenly want to believe. He had every opportunity to come in at Misano, and get on slicks instead of staying out on wet weather tires that were disintegrating.
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Yamaha made no such good faith attempt to resign Lorenzo.
They did everything short of not offering him a contract to drive him out of the team starting with their decision to not celebrate his 3rd world title for the team.
Despite all and including him being viciously competitive I think Jorge is a sensitive soul at some level, and if Yamaha were keen to retain him they went about it in a strange way imo.
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So do you think they chose an unknown quantity in Vinales deliberately , doesn't seem like sound business sense to me.
If they made an offer with $, that was the good faith. They did make an offer. Ducati bested the offer, which is only logical, and coupled with the fractured vr relationship, explains the split.
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As has been previously discussed I think Yamaha expected Jorge to re-sign believing he had no option but to do so; they were very likely correct that he didn't have any other viable option, but he took another option anyway which says something I would have thought.
I defintely agree with him being sensitive. Looking from Yamahas perspective, if JL was negotiating unreasonably, that puts them in a tough place. And if JL was pointing the proverbial gun, saying its him or me, that doesnt make for a doable deal. Thats all speculation ofcourse, but its somewhat likely.
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well, thats your opinion and its ok, but i disagree, since if i recall, lorenzo had better dry pace than rossi and if they were to pit together or if rossi pit before lorenzo he would probably loose his track position ( the reason lorenzo made the mistake was seeing redding past him and getting agitated,...) on that day he was racing only lorenzo and it worked.
but as for today, i seriously cant justify not coming in when youre told to no matter how the positions are!! specially since your rival has already changed. even though this was not their track and ideally the yamahas would have to fight to be on the podium here but he has to remember he lost a race to a guy who almost crashed and lost lots of seconds!!!
im finding hard to remember the last time rossi made so many mistakes in just half a season, and except Mugello every single mistake was made by rossi.
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