FIM To Review Jerez Accident

Jumkie said:

We've said this a number of times now. That's the one thing I wish Stoner wouldn't have aired out. But it goes without saying, whatever Stoner says, its wrong! In this case, it really has distracted from what is the root cause of the event. I can't say it enough, race direction are weak, and this will continue. This event has done nothing but reassure anybody wanting to employ dive bomb racing tactics, that its still allowable and encouraged.



I've also said, until riders decide to race Rossi like Rossi, this will never change. How much are you willing to bet me that if we see Rossi punted a few times that the rules and enforcement of professional race craft will be an issue and investigations launched?

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hawkdriver said:

I'm talking about their history and not just this incident, he's complained about him before and I'm sure he will continue to get passed aggressively whenever Rossi has the chance and this is what I'm talking about. Complaining won't help and it will probably only encourage your antagonizer. All I'm saying is STFU and race because if you complain to much people will stop listening to you when it matters most, like now when you have a serious beef and loss of points. I like both of them and neither is my favorite but I'd much rather watch a race with Rossi in it than Stoner.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

When this unfortunate event transpired - once I had arrested the stream of expletives, I turned to Austin and said simply - imagine if this had been the other way round. I would say that 99% of members on here defending Valentino, (some of those astonishingly suggesting that Casey was somehow at fault), would be completely reversing their arguments had Casey still on a dubiously handling Ducati pulled the same move on Valentino. Imagine he had then having received apparently preferential treatment by the marshals and finished fifth largely by default in a race of attrition following Rossi gesticulating on trackside, and subsequently skulked into Vale's garage still helmeted up with full audience of sycophants + conveniently deployed camera crew in tow. Following this Vale had quipped 'how's the lactose intolerance? OK?' 'your ambition outweighed your talent' the outrage on this forum would have turned in an instant from vilification to edification amongst the Rossi faithful and more scripture would have etched for eternity in tablets of stone for the faithful flock to venerate - a million forum members signatures forged in a second.Rossi loves to remove his helmet whenever attention is on him to leer inanely at the camera or during his post race antics. I've NEVER seen a rider approach a fellow rider in his garage to apologise with their lid on. I have increasingly found Valentino insincere, which is a shame, because he has such a love and respect for the pedigree for this sport. (That said I found the 'Sorry Mike' banner at PI more self aggrandising than reverential). That effectively sums the guy up - self aggrandisement, you either buy into that and with it the swollen image rights or you buy into a love of the sport itself. The moment Rossi became bigger than the sport it became unhealthy. Despite this, I'm neutral, but to those of you who do favour Rossi, be honest and introspective, picture it..hypothetically how would you have viewed events had they been the other way around? Would you have vociferously denounced Valentino and defended Casey?

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Burky said:

Just beautifully put, superb post.I quote it, just in case some 'boppers' managed to skip over it, in hope that they may learn something.

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Rob said:

If your understanding of engine power is purey based on top speed charts, then i say your a plain and simple ........



Nice try but still...

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Ajith said:

Did anybody had a chance to see this?



If you read report Larry Tate’s MotoGP race report this week, you’ll remember that Casey Stoner criticised race marshals for neglecting to give him a push to restart his bike after colliding with Valentino Rossi, who lost the front end and crashed just ahead of Stoner.



The Australian was miffed because he felt Valentino Rossi was given preferential treatment after he got a push and went on to race, while he claimed he was left to dry, having to attempt to start his bike on his own.



Well, this amateur video shot by a fan in the stands tells a slightly different story. In it, we see Rossi getting barely a nudge from the marshals (indicating that his bike probably didn’t stall in the crash), and several marshals pushing Stoner, one of them staying with him until they're out of view of the camera.



Maybe Stoner takes Mythbuster Adam Savage’s motto, “I reject your reality and substitute my own” too literally.



There was also a small video given in the article..

http://cmgonline.com/content/view/3404/81/



any thoughts?

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povol said:

Not true, over the years it has been shown time and time again that Rossi does not have the ability to pick up his bike once it is down. Without the marshals help, he would have been out.

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J4rn0 said:

That sounds easy enough, one has to wonder why it's not happened yet, (assuming Rossi's conduct on track is as outrageous as you say, volunteers should not be in short demand). Maybe it's not so easy after all, to race Rossi like Rossi?

Agree about Stoner -- instead of stressing Rossi's blunder, he brought attention on another topic that turns out to be irrelevant. Funny thing is that Lorenzo did the same! Now isn't that strange...

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Mental Anarchist said:

I would say that most riders are not comfortable in the escalating aggression that Rossi is prepared to deliver. If you look at Laguna 08 Rossi made it clear that he was going to be aggressive. In response Stoner made some aggressive moves around the outside. In response Rossi just kept escalating the aggression until we saw the corkscrew move after which Stoner backed right off for many laps. Later in the race Stoner attempted a few move passing moves and Rossi response once again was to escalate the aggression by brake checking him which resulted in Stoner going off the track.



I would suggest that no rider out there is incapable of racing aggressively or else they would not have made the elite level. Where the imbalance lies is that Rossi is prepared to escalate to a level that others are not and has impunity from the officials to do so. This impunity does not extend to anyone else.

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michaelm said:

I got probably inappropriately annoyed after the incident, and I actually usually have no problem with aggressive passes by rossi or anyone else, particularly given that I was and am a mick doohan fan. What I do have a problem with is out of control passes, and I think this is what casey has problems with as well.



Stoner can't win whatever he does or says, and having being called a wimp last time he is now being called impolite, although what part politeness has in what as you imply is a fairly gladiatorial sport , which you would like to see become more so going by one of your posts, I am not sure.



I am a long-term fan of both motogp and motor-sports in general, and my perhaps old fashioned taste is for the authentic rather than the confected, which is what the sport would become if the rules or even the riding etiquette are different according to the popularity of the rider.



In my now but not always amateur psychological opinion, stoner is not looking to be loved; he seems to be adequately provided with a wife and other family for that. What he is mainly asking for is to be treated fairly and equally, hardly unreasonable I would have thought. He would also like to have his prowess recognised of course, and if his personality or perceived character impinge on that then I guess that is his problem

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woody996 said:

One point with this Michael, no rider is under an obligation to take it easy around stoner because he is favorite for the championship. Every rider has the right to go for as many points as they can at whoever's expense. It is round 2 of the season not round 16 so a rider may start bad and finish strong, the points they give away now can make a lot of difference.

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Renjith said:

In 2003 Nurbergring, Schumacher had a duel with Montoya and ended in gravel. But he was controversially pushed back to track by marshals. But thats only time I saw something like that in F1

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povol said:

It seems that all the official Dorna vids have been zapped. I have seen them and it looked to me like Rossi got help picking up his bike. In the fan video on this thread, it also appears to confirm that he got help picking up the bike. The corner workers arrive at the 14second mark, the bike is still on the ground at the 15 second mark and you can see marshals bent over, apparently assisting in the picking up of the bike.The vid i posted from 09 clearly shows Rossi could not lift the bike on his own and i have commented on it before over the years.

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lil red rocket pilot said:

Not been funny but how many folks do you know of a similar size to rossi that can pick up 150kg of bike on their own. Im not too sure any of the guys out there can do it without assistance. However on watchin the vid rossi was not started by the marshals he was only assisted in picking the bike up. where as stoner had a good number of marshals giving him a push to try & restart the bike. this says to me that stoner hit the kill switch when he went down & rossi didn,t. as a result the most probable reason for stoners rant about rossi, the marshals & whatever else that gets thrown into the mix was merely a cover for his own mistake. misfortune.

Now it could be said that stoner hit the switch because his machine was on top of rossi. that been the case more fool him, rossi was out from under that bike like a ferret after a rabbit and on his feet before the marshals got there. This was a racing incident. YES! Rossi did go in too hot and as a result lost the front end. BUT! if Stoner hadn,t hit the kill switch he too could have continued & it would have been sorted on the track.

All I can say is the incident is gonna make some excellent racing this year if rossi can get his act together & get the duc upto speed. the battles between him & stoner should be awsome! which in turn will provide some excellent viewing for all us fans IMO

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Mental Anarchist said:

We constantly hear how much bigger Rossi is then Stoner and Pedrosa yet Stoner is able to pick up his bike without a problem. He did at Jerez he did at Laguna. Lil Red you can do much better than that.



I suspect that Rossi will get the Duc up to speed as they are letting him have additional test sessions to make sure of it.

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lil red rocket pilot said:

I stand corrected! Only been following the sport these last few years & as a result Im nowhere near as knowledgeable as most on here.

I was simply looking at the fact Im probs the same size & weight as rossi & think I wouldnt be able to lift 150kg on my own. Me bad

Still its been one of the most exciting starts to the season for me.

I wanna do Estorill now. any brits out there wanna share a room & the driving in portugal?

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