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F1 Qualifying system in MotoGP?

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Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds the current quali system a little, erm, uninspiring... F1 on the other hand, whilst not to give it too much credit, seems to have got this session just right. I know there are differences that affect bikes differently, but fundamentally and of course once there are a few more bikes on the grid, I could see a similar knockout system working here. Here's my reasoning anyway http://whoneedsfourw...s.blogspot.com/



Reckon it'd be worth a try? It'd at least give people a bit more to talk about and encourage a few more spectators on a saturday.
 
Only if the riders get another practice session. As it stands, the first half of Q is generally spent testing and refining the race setup.



The current tiered elimination method does force the drivers out on track, never a bad thing for the spectators. A few years ago, Eff-Wun ran a One Hot Lap system that was also fairly engaging.
 
Hopefully I'm not the only one who finds the current quali system a little, erm, uninspiring... F1 on the other hand, whilst not to give it too much credit, seems to have got this session just right. I know there are differences that affect bikes differently, but fundamentally and of course once there are a few more bikes on the grid, I could see a similar knockout system working here. Here's my reasoning anyway http://whoneedsfourw...s.blogspot.com/



Reckon it'd be worth a try? It'd at least give people a bit more to talk about and encourage a few more spectators on a saturday.



It might save CS a few buck's lol. But I for one wouldn't like to see it. You would have your "tow" specialists HB for one. Getting up there in the mix just because he timed his run to "coincide" with a top runner.

Nothing fair about that, but with the current format teams have the tech to put their guys in a gap "alone" at some point in quallie
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Another bopper having a whinge. First the races are "boring" & now quali is "uninspiring". Yawn
 
I've never said the races are boring. I just don't think qualifying is as exciting as it could be - "uninspiring" was used entirely to grasp/satirise those calling everything boring. Rather than jumping to your prejudicial conclusions try reading what's in front of you and contribute something meaningful to the idea rather than being a whiney ......





It might save CS a few buck's lol. But I for one wouldn't like to see it. You would have your "tow" specialists HB for one. Getting up there in the mix just because he timed his run to "coincide" with a top runner.

Nothing fair about that, but with the current format teams have the tech to put their guys in a gap "alone" at some point in quallie
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Good point dude. But I guess if that were the case for everyone, it would kind of counteract itself? Again I still think that would add a layer of unpredictability and require some really careful planning/tactics which would be good to see!
 
I can't see your problem with quali. To me it's much more inspiring than F1 qualifying. In F1 you only have 10 cars in the last session & what, about 15 or so sitting in the pit's doing nothing. I can't see the attraction of 60% of the field not being allowed on the track.



MotoGP has an hour long session where the first 45 minutes is spend refining setup & showing glimpses of what you in the chamber, then you have the final 15 minute creshendo of everyone going hell for leather to set the pole time. How the entire grid giving 110% for the final few minutes of quali can be seen as uninspiring is beyond me. And you call me a whiney ......

Whiney
 
The interesting thing about F1 quali is that each time there are some eliminate it puts pressure on those remaining to go faster still. With GP there doesn't feel like there's any focus in the session, they go around finding setup than at some undetermined point post their fastest time. Rarely does the pole position change in the last few seconds, as it can in the tiered system. Also, it means that the slower teams are already giving that 110% right from the start, and that wave moves through the field throughout the sessions. The 15 in the pits during the final session have already pushed all they can - thus intensifying the focus of attention throughout the qualifying hour rather than having to wait 50 minutes before anything meaningful starts to happen.



I also point out in the article that this could only work with more bikes on the track, so it's not like the thing would be empty by Q3. And unlike your post "Another bopper having a whinge. First the races are "boring" & now quali is "uninspiring". Yawn" which is undeniably nothing to do with the point in hand and is only there to have a moan, I don't quite see how me suggesting that there could be a more exciting system of qualifying is whining about the current one. Whining implies saying something is bad without substantiating any form of alternative. That isn't what I'm doing. Had you posted your second post first then you would have at least have been looking at the idea and we wouldn't be having this pointless subsidiary argument.
 
I wasn't having a go at you, just linking it to a discussion that's been going on around here about the racing being boring, now phrased as being "typical". I'm much prefer the current system of quali to the F1 model. I prefer the entire grid going flat out all at the same time as per MotoGP. The first session in F1 is particularly uninspiring as probably the bottom 10 are giving it everything , while the top 15 are just going out on the harder compound tyre to get a lap in with no real effort.
 
If formula one could possibly fit all the cars in a last ditch ( last 3 minutes ) sprint they would. Its one of the most intensely exciting things about MGP.
 
Qualifying was more exciting when they had the qualifying tyres and everyone was trying to snatch pole on the last lap as time expired, which doesn't seem to happen as much now, there being less variables without the qualifiers. I think the same applies to qualifying as to the races, that there are only 2 or 3 guys who are a realistic chance. I still like to watch it though, a full on qualifying lap with the rider perhaps pushing the limits more than in a race remains a fine thing to watch.



I am not sure F1 style qualifying would add much, particularly with the current number of bikes as the instigator of the thread has said. It would also further reduce actual practice/testing time, which is in short enough supply, and actual qualifying position is not that important for the contenders other than spies as long as it is reasonably close to the front; dani being 1st as opposed to 4th has absolutely no bearing on his race tactically.
 
Moto gp qually is fine, quallifying tyres lead to misleading grids sometimes but meant some form of overtaking at begining of races.



However both the one bike on teack and the knockout system employed in f1 has and is still being used in wsbk, tbh that is uninspiring and a little tedious as generally its one fast lap for most and go sit down, not exactly spectator friendly!
 
meh why does there always need to be a change - F1 next will be told what tyre pressure's to use its just getting further away to what it all once was - get out there tune your bike/car as best as you can to suit you to be as fast as possible compared to your competitors.

FFS sake its sterolised enough as it is.
 
meh why does there always need to be a change - F1 next will be told what tyre pressure's to use its just getting further away to what it all once was - get out there tune your bike/car as best as you can to suit you to be as fast as possible compared to your competitors.

FFS sake its sterolised enough as it is.





You mean what I think (I think)



Stop ....... with it.







Funnily enough my only love of hillbilly racing like speedway is running the odd reverse grid. I want them to do that in motogp or super bikes one day so the overtaking is epic, but still even that would be ....... with it.



(Anyway, it's time for my enema)
 
meh why does there always need to be a change - F1 next will be told what tyre pressure's to use its just getting further away to what it all once was - get out there tune your bike/car as best as you can to suit you to be as fast as possible compared to your competitors.

FFS sake its sterolised enough as it is.





You mean what I think (I think)



Stop ....... with it.







Funnily enough my only love of hillbilly racing like speedway is running the odd reverse grid. I want them to do that in motogp or super bikes one day so the overtaking is epic, but still even that would be ....... with it.



(Anyway, it's time for my enema)
 
My fondest memories of F1 quali's are Senna's glorious flyers. For those of you unfamiliar with F1, back then it only came down to who could put down the fastest lap in an hours practice.



I also liked the old Superpole format, where they had to do it all in 1 lap.



I don't like the shoot-out kind of things we see in F1 and sbk nowadays at all, they feel very artificial to me. Hope motogp won't go that way too.



By the way, one thing I'm not missing too badly is the qualifying tires, and I really thought I would.
 

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