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Linky doesnt appear to be working Rog, or is it just me
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 16 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Linky doesnt appear to be working Rog, or is it just me
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its on motogp.co mate. note sure why it wont let me link to it
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 16 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its on motogp.co mate. note sure why it wont let me link to it

Ta. Surely when the 800's were brought in it must have been obvious that a bike with less mass will travel through a bend faster! Duh!
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Anyway, give everybody Michelins and they will go approx 1.5 seconds a lap slower!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 16 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The solution is obvious. THE 990's are easily the solution.
aint going to happen so best not to harp on the past and just move on. i dont know why dorna are always trying to slow motogp down. this is supposed to be the pinicle of motorcycle racing. if dorna carry on wsb will be faster than motogp. leave it alone i say, then the fast riders who can handle the bikes will shin and the rest will be exposed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 16 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>aint going to happen so best not to harp on the past and just move on. i dont know why dorna are always trying to slow motogp down. this is supposed to be the pinicle of motorcycle racing. if dorna carry on wsb will be faster than motogp. leave it alone i say, then the fast riders who can handle the bikes will shin and the rest will be exposed.
YEah Rog yer right I was just beating a dead horse jokin there. As much as all of us would like to see it I know it isn't ever going to happen. But seriously though for safety I think they will have those race suits with the air bags as the next move.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 16 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YEah Rog yer right I was just beating a dead horse jokin there. As much as all of us would like to see it I know it isn't ever going to happen. But seriously though for safety I think they will have those race suits with the air bags as the next move.

Heres some airbags they should consider....

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 16 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heres some airbags they should consider....

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...... LOL holy .... those are big time FUN BAGS!! LOL LOL Ow!!!!
 
Everytime i see Dani hes sitting beside Vale and looking rather happy about it too
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 16 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ta. Surely when the 800's were brought in it must have been obvious that a bike with less mass will travel through a bend faster! Duh!
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Anyway, give everybody Michelins and they will go approx 1.5 seconds a lap slower!
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That's obvious. Lighter bikes can hold higer corner speeds. The only mystery here is that the bikes arn't any lighter than the 990. They have practically the same weight.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 16 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's obvious. Lighter bikes can hold higer corner speeds. The only mystery here is that the bikes arn't any lighter than the 990. They have practically the same weight.

Well they lack top speed and seem easier to control, do they have better acceleration?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 16 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well they lack top speed and seem easier to control, do they have better acceleration?
What have you been smoking, or is drinking your thing?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 16 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's obvious. Lighter bikes can hold higer corner speeds. The only mystery here is that the bikes arn't any lighter than the 990. They have practically the same weight.

Didnt they drop from 155.5kg for the V5, to 148kg for the V4's? thats ten kgs for a start. Plus they are smaller and therefore have a lower centre of gravity, this again will aid corner speed.
 
It isn't as simple as just being lighter and cornering faster or we'd be looking for safetey measures in 125 first.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 17 2008, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didnt they drop from 155.5kg for the V5, to 148kg for the V4's? thats ten kgs for a start. Plus they are smaller and therefore have a lower centre of gravity, this again will aid corner speed.

Can't remember the exact weights but I'm pretty sure that's the new limit for 5 cyl. With the 990 I think there were no weight penalty for 5 comp. to 4 cyl. and they limit were in the same area +/- 1 kg.

COG are probably a continous battle and I agree it might play a role, but the real gain is rotational mass. Lighter smaller parts in the engine create a lot less gyro forces making the bike handle better/easier. At least that's the current dominant therory in addition to better tires of course.
 
I'd be sure that every kid did the science experiment on gyroscopic effect where you hold a bicycle wheel (by the two ends of the axle) and spin it. You try and move the wheel and it fights you.

You can ride two bikes that have the same frame and geometry and (nearly) the same weight (e.g. a 450 and 530cc KTM) and they feel entirely different.

With horsepower there is a point of diminishing return in relation to the other vehicle dynamics and the 990 had too much horsepower, i.e. it's straight-line speed couldn't compensate for the forces trying to make the bike stand up instead of tipping and gripping in the corners.

Beautiful to watch and a ..... to ride (so I've heard) but inefficient in an engineering sense.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Aug 16 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didnt they drop from 155.5kg for the V5, to 148kg for the V4's? thats ten kgs for a start. Plus they are smaller and therefore have a lower centre of gravity, this again will aid corner speed.

if i remember correctly, the 990 weight limit was 146kg, irrespective of engine layout, ie. v4, v5, L4 etc.
the weight limit for an 800cc v5 is 155.5kg? and a 4cylinder is 148kg. it was mooted in 2006/2007 that honda would go with a v3 and gain a weight saving of 6kg or so, further benefitting a certain spanish pipsqueak who is a little malnourished. the bikes have actually gained a few kg from the 990s, not lost any.
it is as babel said, due to less gyroscopic forces from engine internals that has made the 800 more "flickable" and manageable through the corners...


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