Electronic Brake Assist

Well really given that its a moto development formula, I guess I would have to say it is a development so I would handle acceptance of ABS etc. Even though Gibbers may not have had it I kinda think they'd already have that sort of stuff anyway, especially on the back to prevent high sides .... maybe a close up picture of the brake master cylinders would show it?? Couple of wires into a pressure relieving type mechanism ..... bit of software to read lockup .... yeah In a way I'd be surprised if its not already in there.

Mind you whilst perusing the Motegi race stuff, and mulling all this "my rider is better than yours, and this bike is better than that" .... I was thinking gee I wonder if Honda could ever get Asimo ( the real one LOL ) to ride a moto .... in which case we could use it to judge which bike is better than that.

It all sounds pretty far fetched but hey I'm not really that sure its that impossible in the near future.

hahaha talk about boring!!! .... I think I watch it for the riders I realise...

Stoppie control really won't help Pedrosa or any other rider for that matter. The issue is not about brake modulation, but when to START braking.

Obviously, all riders want to brake as late as possible -- this is a judgement call. Lets assume that they do have "stoppie control" If they brake too late, they will still over shoot the turn/run wide. If they brake too early, their competitors will pass them.

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Stoppie control really won't help Pedrosa or any other rider for that matter. The issue is not about brake modulation, but when to START braking.

Obviously, all riders want to brake as late as possible -- this is a judgement call. Lets assume that they do have "stoppie control" If they brake too late, they will still over shoot the turn/run wide. If they brake too early, their competitors will pass them.



you got it - now how about a one tire make policy and taking out traction control - back to rider+bike loke with the 500 2-strokes, slides and drifts again

i think Pedrosas problem with braking is his lack of upper body strength more than anything. he can brake as hard as anyone - just not lap after lap afer lap.

i don't think abs will help him any

I don't think it has much to do with upper body strength as he did ok on those 250cc bikes (whther its 250cc or 990, his arms hold up only his body weight) but, it might some thing with him not having enough weight (isn't he the smallest rider out there?) over the rear wheel causing it to lift earlier than those of other riders..

yes but keeping the back wheel in-line with the front when it's lifting under braking takes a lot of strength - that dani doesn't have.

Well Lexi, its a good question. I'm not so sure it would help though because as Crv said, its a matter of when the brake is applied comming into the turn.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Sep 27 2007, 06:19 PM) [snapback]93336[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well really given that its a moto development formula, I guess I would have to say it is a development so I would handle acceptance of ABS etc.


I agreed to a certain extent. The real question becomes, what is more important, the show of racing or the development of human endeavor in regards to racing technology? Engineers will continue to develop technologies that make a vehicle go around a track faster and faster to compensate for human flaw and maximize the laws of physicals toward performance. But this increased technology can (and some would say it already has) made the racing more boring.

Certainly ABS is a technological advancement, but remember, it is banned in F1 (the pinnacle of racing technology). Why? Well simply, because it takes something out of the driver's ability to control the vehicle under braking and makes it more an exercise of pure engineering, assuming the drive brakes in time.

So yes, even though ABS is a technological advancement, it is still, in fact banned. Speaking of technology, I wish traction control was banned too because, even though the technological advancement is intriguing, it takes a large degree of the human element out of the equation.

I cannot see how it could work except on a playstation. Getting into a turn quickly and how the front tyre reacts with the fork and rider input is a much more complicated task than gassing off the exit and takes far more skill. An even more important factor in braking is where to get off the brake, just as important as a braking point. Crvlvr said it's a judgement call, spot on. Guys may change little things they do all through a race dependant on what they are planning to do. The difference in presure on the front lever between a rear wheel 1 inch or 3 inches off the deck is miniscule but any rider can feel that, so even if it did could work ther's no way I could see any of these guys actually wanting it.

ABS in a wet race, carbon fibre discs are swapped for traditional steel items in the rain so the braking force on the front end is already much less, it has to be. It would have to be pretty advanced to be smooth so I suppose it could work. I don't believe it could really make a huge difference to someone like Ant West so I'd be dead against it.


But I gotta call this one...to say that Dani can't brake is really a bold/ludicrous statement, bullsit actually. Carbon fibre discs allow most of these guys to brake with one or two fingers so all this 'Dani can't brake' stuff leaves me laughing, I don't know how strong he is, but if he can race a GP bike for 45mins, he ain't no ...... How is he 3rd in the champoinship then?

The limiting factor with the breaking on a gp bike is the rider being able to hold the back wheel down, brake assist wont help that

As far as i know, braking in MotoGP is all about the rider's weight distribution on the bike. So I can't imagine that some kind of electronic brake assistant or whatever will ever be a great help. At least I hope so. The less electronical aids on the bikes the better for us.

That is probably also the reason why Pedrosa is always so bad on the brakes. He just doesn't have the weight and, due to his short arms and legs, the ability to distribute it as well as other riders do. Ever wondered why tall, lanky riders with long arms and legs like Rossi or Dovizioso were able to brake so late?

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this 'Dani can't brake' stuff leaves me laughing, I don't know how strong he is, but if he can race a GP bike for 45mins, he ain't no ...... How is he 3rd in the champoinship then?


Exactly, he's obviously doing something right. And that young fella that happens to have won the championship this year is not the biggest bloke on the bike either. Now the question is, will putting on more muscle make Dani that much better. I'd be happy just to see him smile more, yuck it up a bit after a good performance, and just look like he is enjoying the sport.

It doesn't have that much influence on skill but some riders got problems pulling celebratory wheelies