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Daytona Group will manage AMA SBK...

It will become much more commercial and probably attract more sponsors. We will have to see.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Mar 7 2008, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Mar/080307z.htm

Well, France and Edmonson have control now. Is this a good thing?

Hopefully the Frances will use their clout get sponsors in the series. Also, let's hope that the big teams stick around.

I'm worried what this group may do to U.S. road racing, though. France and Edmonson already applied the dumbed down, cheap entertainment strategy to sports car racing in the form of Grand-Am. I'm starting to have terrible visions of contrived full-course yellows and staged fights between riders. This is making me a little sick.

It won't get that bad. I'm angry that the sport will get whored out to commercial interest (the kind that couldn't care less about moto).

But AMA needs to get cheaper and more spec oriented, these two clowns can pull that off quite well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 9 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'll keep a wait & see attitude for now & hope for the best.

I am starting to get that feeling now too, after watching the coverage of the 200 with the interview with the DG people. I got the feeling they will keep far from Nascar and the rest of the France families dealings.

I do not expect much change anyway.
 
Okay guys, I have a prediction.

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/ama...transcript//P5/

In this press conference transcript Edmondson says that he intends to have superbikes running the Daytona 200. How could that be done when the tire people say that running 200 miles on the banking with 1000cc bikes is too risky? Here is how: Formula X-treme will become the superbike class.

I think there will be two classes: Superbike (formerly FX) and Supersport. The Superbikes will be equalized, with the modifications closely monitored. I expect Edmondson to place standard modification restrictions on each type of bike. As long as the big teams, factories, and top riders stick around, this could be fun. Although I would miss the liter bikes.

I could be wrong, however. Another way they could run Superbikes in the 200 would be to enforce mandatory pit stop windows, requiring the bikes to pit at a point deemed safe by the tire people.

Speaking of tires, there will be a spec tire. The Frances almost always use spec tires in their series. To appease Dunlop, they could appoint Dunlop as the supplier or have Dunlop supply one class and another company supply the other. This has been done before with Grand-Am; at one point Goodyear supplied tires for the prototypes while Dunlop supplied tires for the GT cars. Pirelli currently supplies tires for Grand-Am.
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revisit my above post. According to a new superbikeplanet.com article, I may have been right about the 600 Superbike class.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080415x.htm

Here's an excerpt: While Edmondson has repeatedly said that there won't be any kind of firm format to the series until later this week at Barber (after he meets again with the OEMs) the current plan seems to consist of a 600 Superbike class which would incorporate several different machine-types and also the MotoST series. Beyond those two classes, Edmondson seems open to discussion, but cautions that he currently has no interest in 600 Supersport or the out-going AMA Superstock class.

I figured they would keep supersport since it has been so good. However, after seeing the redundancy of the current FX class, maybe it makes sense to axe supersport if the SBK class is going to be for 600cc 4-cylinders.

Also in the article, it seems as though Suzuki had a bad reaction to the proposal.
Hopefully DMG will reconsider the 600 superbike proposal.

An absence of the big bikes would really hurt.
 
The end is near for that last great form of real racing in the US. Champ Car is gone, Nascar IMO sucks, and now AMA Road Racing is gone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 16 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The end is near for that last great form of real racing in the US. Champ Car is gone, Nascar IMO sucks, and now AMA Road Racing is gone.

Although I don't like what I'm hearing so far, I'm going to keep an open mind and see how it turns out. Maybe the manufacturers will raise enough hell to force DMG to keep the litre bikes...who knows.

As for the "last form of great racing," I don't know if I would call the AMA superbike of late "great." Change was definitely needed in the areas of management and leadership; however, it remains to be seen if DMG was the answer.
 
Well it is pretty good racing. True Suzuki has shown their speed very race, the racing is not bad, compared to most racing you see.

DMG is change to what might not be wanted. I had nothing wrong with the curretn system.

Best thing for AMA would be this.

No FX class. It is named like a open wheel racing, or some cheap racing series you'd see running dirt ovals.

Keep Superstock, but make it a full on stock series. No engine mods and no transmission mods, unless it hurts reliability. Run treaded stock based tires.

Run WSBK rules for SBK. If that hurts cost and maye still keep Suzuki on top, but it maybe will create more competition. If it dropped the field down a bit, it is fine.

Keep the 600 Supersport the way they are. A lower level class that feeds into SBK.

Move the USGPRU 250's and 125's to AMA weekends full time, and run as feeder classes.

A spec class would work as well. Running a Yamaha R1 or running a Honda CBR600 or some other bike.
 
Are the Daytona group even aware of what is happening on a global level. We talked to 4 manufacturers. Ok so are they even aware of what Aprilia, BMW and KTM have just built along with MV and Ducati? Why aren't they concentrating on 600's? At a national and world level, 1000's are the premiere road race class.

What FGSport have done is keep the series simple, they know the manufacturer is important i.e. we sell 600's, we'll race 600's, we sell 1000's, well race 1000's. Pretty simple. 3 classes, MotoST (they seem fixated on it) I guess it must be ok, never heard of it, 600's and 1000's. Done. Stock racing, very few mods, cheap and it allows guys with money i.e. Jordan to compete on a level playing field. My favourite series for the last 3 years is World Superstock. The racing is great, the bikes are evenly matched and its a great show.

Mladin wont race a 600, if Spies doesn't get his MotoGP ride I doubt he would be willing to downgrade, I feel a WSBK ride would be his ticket out. The only guys that won't mind are the 'riding for a check' old guys. It also raises the another issue, how so these guys adjust to riding a WSBK? They would have no experience ridng a larger capacity motorcytcle anyone over 30 willing to learn a new bike and new tracks in WSBK? Anyone over 27 willing to leave the states and give it a go? DMG are oblivious to the outside world and I think American riders will not get the opportunity to showcase there skills on machinery comparative to WSBK or even MotoGP. Shame.

Mr.Shupe it sounds are though you are right, screw the manufacturers we are about entertaining. Not sure why they have to be mutually exclusive.
 
I was excited at first when i heard about DMG taking over AMA racing.Now im starting to to get this sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach after reading that.NO 600 SS,Are you ....... kidding me.Thats the only series that people give a .... about when they go to the track.It appears they are going the same route that NHRA went to save pro stock bike,give the Vtwin whatever advantage neccesary to insure success to draw the Harley crowd.Thats who they are after,the same crowd that funnels billions into bike week.You will see rules and class changes thar ensure Buell does well to draw that crowd and the Jap bikes will be choked out.DMG is about money and the Harley demographic is what they are targeting.Sport Bike riders historically are tight wads simply because of their age bracket.Harley riders are usually older,established and have money and dont mind spending it if you give them a show where their steed is allowed to win.Im going to Barber this weekend for the AMA Superbike races and im hoping the manufacturers have some feedback booths set up to discuss this.In the end,i dont think it matters bcause what they are proposing,they dont care about my business anyway,they want a whole new crowd.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 17 2008, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the end,i dont think it matters bcause what they are proposing,they dont care about my business anyway,they want a whole new crowd.

I remember when they began overhauling Grand-Am, Edmondson said that the series was meant to appeal to more than the traditional sports car racing fan. A similar new direction could be what's intended here too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Apr 16 2008, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think American riders will not get the opportunity to showcase there skills on machinery comparative to WSBK or even MotoGP. Shame.

I am concerned about the future of American riders in Moto GP as well. However, if AMA riders grow up on 600cc bikes that require smooth riding and high corner speeds, could that be good preparation for riding an 800cc GP bike? How would riding modified 600s be worse than transitioning to Moto GP from 250s?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Apr 18 2008, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am concerned about the future of American riders in Moto GP as well. However, if AMA riders grow up on 600cc bikes that require smooth riding and high corner speeds, could that be good preparation for riding an 800cc GP bike? How would riding modified 600s be worse than transitioning to Moto GP from 250s?
Could work I guess, just glad there is 'literbike', something weird about calling a 600 a superbike, especially if it's racing against buells and 1200 BMW's. I tell you this will be the most interesting racing class I've seen for a long time. Im actually looking forward to seeing this next year.

With the lower classes (125, 250) switching to four strokes soon there shouldn't be as much of a difference anyways. Pity there aren't more guys heading onto a superbike or supersport machine in WSBK. They're not all afraid of flying are they?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Apr 18 2008, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pity there aren't more guys heading onto a superbike or supersport machine in WSBK. They're not all afraid of flying are they?
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It's my understanding that the AMA factory riders' salaries are more than what they would get in WSBK, making it hard for them to justify leaving. I think Colin Edwards said as much in his latest Road Racer X column. Still, I would love to see some 'muricans in WSBK.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Apr 17 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am concerned about the future of American riders in Moto GP as well. However, if AMA riders grow up on 600cc bikes that require smooth riding and high corner speeds, could that be good preparation for riding an 800cc GP bike? How would riding modified 600s be worse than transitioning to Moto GP from 250s?

Get King Kenny as a manager and move to Europe before you get suckered into the Nascar Bike Series.

Hasn't hurt Bonsey's career.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 18 2008, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Get King Kenny as a manager and move to Europe before you get suckered into the Nascar Bike Series.

Hasn't hurt Bonsey's career.
amen!
 

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