Dani Pedrosa is a...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Sep 2 2009, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man, did I open a can of .....
The issue is how you posed the thread, of course there was going to be backlash, its a knee-jerk reaction to such a poorly premised thread you started buddy boy.

The problem is that those coming to Pedrosa's defense have ERRONEOUSLY defended his riding ability, which has NEVER been the issue. The issue is his CHARACTER, and this is much harder to defend. Notice how the defenses have surrounded his riding ability, which naturally is easy to defend, no .... he’s good. Now have those same people defended the man’s day in day out blame he placed on everything around him: his teammate, his bike, lashed out at the series, at the tire manufactures, not to mention his outrageous behavior when he caused a serious injury laden crash (on his teammate no less) did he look back to see if that man was still breathing?

We have a plethora of examples of very talent athletes who are complete dicks, hell even puppy killers, who are admired regardless. But in my book character counts, and for this Pedros has not redeemed himself. Has he got better, perhaps, but not significantly.

Oh, and to that tired ... ........ defense that he can ride better than most of us…well no ..... That is a pointless argument. That’s a bit like saying OJ had a fantastic running came so I can’t comment on his life choices and character? See how stupid that sounds?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and to that tired ... ........ defense that he can ride better than most of us…well no ..... That is a pointless argument. That’s a bit like saying OJ had a fantastic running came so I can’t comment on his life choices and character? See how stupid that sounds?

What the ....? OJ analogies?? Not even close. Not condoning hate towards a talented rider (who seems to be maturing) is NOT A BIT like saying OJ had a fantastic running game, blah, blah, blah..... OJ cut his ex-wife's head off and killed some dude who was probably banging her (this murder did not occur on a football field)!!! I don't care if OJ could run 200 yards a game, he's still a Sub-Human Piece of ....!! Pedrosa's comments, according to you and others, and his previous bad behavior revolved around his motor-sport correct? Thus, a fan saying, "maybe I shouldn't harshly criticize his comments b/c I don't know the minute details of that motorsport. I don't know what happens in the paddock day in and day out.....and I can't ride like that and don't understand the pressures of such road racing intimately" is not what I would label as a "tired ... ........ defense". Now if Pedrosa went home and beat his girlfriend, or boyfriend with a tire iron just because of jealousy and insecurity, THEN maybe saying, "oh he's a fast rider so that's okay", THAT would be a "tired ... ........ defense". Read our posts again, and maybe another time after that and you'll see why your quote i've highlighted above is somewhat ........ and stupid sounding. Surprising comparison choice from you my friend.....but then again, you're only human, we all have lapses in building logical arguments.
Oh, and my thread stated plainly "my defense of pedrosa is from a personal observation from a very limited experience"!! I suspect that most of your vitriol is directed towards the fact that I'm a newbie to the sport and shouldn't question the opinion of such "bastions" of this site such as yourself. Sorry Compa, but I'm gonna speak up when I feel I should, and I do so with the humility of a enthusiastic-learning newbie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Sep 2 2009, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Excellent post Gator.
Agree 100%
Every one of the guys who make it to MotoGP should be admired, and particularly a guy the size of Dani. There are very few people in the world with the ability or balls to ride one of these bikes fast, and like him or not, Pedrosa is one of the best.
except that ....... gibbers, he can go .... himself as far as im concerned

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Aug 31 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not to be Mr. ....... Objective........but here's my observation from this weekend. Dani is a very small, shy dude who is fast as .... on a big scary crazy powerful bike, and he has heart.

Good morning honey. I agreed with you up to this point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I'm not so sure the arrogant label is entirely correct.

Here is where I start to disagree sweetheart. Arrogant-feeling or showing proud self-importance and contempt or disregard for others. I'd say Pedrosa is a posterchild of arrogance. The guy has a long 'documented' history of having a sense of entitlement and voicing a "contempt or disregard for others". How do I know this? Because most of that contempt has been directed at Nicky Hayden, since I'm a diehard fan of his, naturally I read EVERYTHING that is said or written about my favorite rider. Dani repeatedly, over and over again, blamed Hayden for .... that even Jesus would have said is ......... When it came to development, Peders blamed Nicky, when it came to telemetry, Peders lied about Nicky looking at his, when it came that torpedo he through his mouth piece blamed Nicky. He showed his contempt visually most spectacularly when he torpedoed him in Portugal. You may or may not remember but I posted a sequence of two crashes, the infamous Peders torpedo and Nicky's crash on Canepa. I showed the stark contrast between a man who felt concern for a fallen rider and a man who displayed utter contempt and "disregard" for the safety of his teammate. This is just the .... that became public, so I can only imagine the frustration he caused behind closed doors.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>At the race, he was literally walking back into the door of the paddock and a group of us called out to him,........he stops going where he was going, turns around and comes back out to take pics with us and sign autographs. He had already done that and was going to leave yet he came back out for a group of 5 screaming idiots......not what I would label as arrogant.


Yes, I was there and witnessed it. But I totally disagree with your conclusion. Of all the places in the world that he needs to improve his image, its here in the States. The man was given a cold reception at the Q&A, and for good reason. Look my fine feather friend, people who dislike Peders did not conjure this up out of thin air. His torpedo at Portugal 06 can't even be chalked up as a simple racing incident, but for the sake of argument, a crash is a crash, but what about one's reaction to that event? His reaction is enough of a glaring reason to hate the guy, but that's only one of a long list of flouting conceit and jealous displays from the man.

Oh, and the argument has also been made that Puig is behind Pedrosa's outragous commentary and character. Yes, Puig is the devil but Peders is a man, and if he goes along with all that .... he's equally a bag of .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Next, he sets pole (no small feat in this league), then he crashes, as did "The Doctor" who was not leading at the time, picks up his bike and sets the fastest laps of the field (on a crashed bike) to come in 10th place. "Useless"......I disagree. I think he's talented as .... and deserves a bit more credit and respect, especially since 99% of us couldn't ride a bike like him even in our dreams. So sit back, and enjoy the fun of shitting on the little guy all you want; I realize I'm not going to convince you to change your mind, I'm just voicing my opinion from a very limited personal experience.

True, and these are redeeming qualities, but do they overcome the plethora of contempt and rude comments he's made and displays of superciliousness; I don't think so. I was also impressed by him getting back up (ask your fat friend Levi, perhaps he noticed I clapped for the wee man when he got back up and did not give up). (Of course this was after a big smile on my face upon the realization he would not win the race). It’s really NOT debatable to argue the man's ability and talent on a bike. It’s a moot point. So I give him credit for not giving up and continuing (big wow, as if that is something extraordinary, les you forget just about every rider goes to check on his bike after a crash to see if they can continue, but fine, credit given). But RESPECT? Well that is totally a different issue for me. I have little to no respect for the 'man'.

.... Peders and all his new found lovers. Its gonna take more than a picture (at a place where surely his PR director told him he needed to desperately improve.

Btw, I still love you man, can you post another pic of your chick?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Sep 1 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Every one of the guys who make it to MotoGP should be admired, and particularly a guy the size of Dani.

Why? So people with just as much talent but none of the clout who didn't make the MotoGP grid are not admirable? So the admiration is in simply making it to MotoGP? If your point is making it to the top echelon of a sport, then what about the ...... characters who made it to the top echelon of a sport but have zero by way of humanity. Peders doesn't give a .... about anybody else except him and Puig. He didn't even so much as glance over at his teammate when he could have just caused his death or paralysis.

.... Peders and all his 'new' fans.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Sep 3 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What the ....? OJ analogies?? Not even close.


Wait a minute, who was the guy who was defending Michael Vick--the guy who killed a bag of puppies? Was that you? Remind me?

The point of my analogy was to say that there are plenty of ......... in sports who are talented. Your basis for saying you admire the guy was for his talent but left out that his character is .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"tired ... ........ defense". Read our posts again, and maybe another time after that and you'll see why your quote i've highlighted above is somewhat ........ and stupid sounding. Surprising comparison choice from you my friend.....but then again, you're only human, we all have lapses in building logical arguments.

Count the number of times people's defense of someone on the grid starts with, "well you probably couldn't ride like X..." That my friend is tired. Did you use that defense?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Oh, and my thread stated plainly "my defense of pedrosa is from a personal observation from a very limited experience"!! I suspect that most of your vitriol is directed towards the fact that I'm a newbie to the sport and shouldn't question the opinion of such "bastions" of this site such as yourself. Sorry Compa, but I'm gonna speak up when I feel I should, and I do so with the humility of a enthusiastic-learning newbie.

Mistaken.

You quoted a post that was not directed at you. If you notice I took the time to post one just for you honey, see above. Debate that one.

Don't get your panties all in a knot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Wait a minute, who was the guy who was defending Michael Vick--the guy who killed a bag of puppies? Was that you? Remind me?

The point of my analogy was to say that there are plenty of ......... in sports who are talented. Your basis for saying you admire the guy was for his talent but left out that his character is .....

Oh, and by the way, you quoted a post that was not directed at you. If you notice I took the time to post one just for you honey, see above. Debate that one.

Don't get your panties all in a knot.

.... No, I was not defending Michael Vick, I was in a 20 min argument with Levi over that on the plane ride to Indy. I think Vick is a piece of .... too, but our justice system made him serve his time and that's that. I'm an animal loving ..... as you can see by my avatar, but he's done his time so let him play football (I'll half heartedly defend that right of his). I just wouldn't let any of my dogs sleep over at his house........

"Oh, and by the way, you quoted a post that was not directed at you."

Okay, sorry, my bad bro, we're all cool again.

Oh, and you can only see more pics of Jaime when you come down to Florida, better resolution then via email.

And....I don't wear panties, they chafe my nuts and make me look fat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Sep 1 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My boy and I agree on this. I'm not going to spend much time elaborating because GatorDork has laid this all out very well. I ran into Dani in the paddock 3 different times this weekend and not once was he difficult, arrogant or otherwise unwelcoming. I was behind the camera for Jumkie's "finger photo" and just seconds before that Dani had just finished with a few fans, was INSIDE his pit doorway and came back out to greet us so that Jumkie could take his now famous photo.

I don't appreciate the "hate" to be honest. I have deep respect for all of these guys. They all work very hard, risk their lives and have an exceedingly small window of opportunity to make their dreams come true and we............??? know nothing of their struggles and possess none of their skills. I look forward to MotoGP every single weekend and hating one rider over another just seems counter productive to me. I'm sure I met and got autographs from just about the entire field this weekend and every single one of them (Kallio was the most stand offish) was a gentleman while some were outright enjoyable to be around (Dovi, Canepa, Hayden).

Dani was very fast, worked very hard and even though I'm a die hard Ducati/Hayden guy, I felt for him when he bined it. He could barely pick up his bike, and managed to consistently be the fastest guy on track while finishing 10th. It's hard to ague with that kind of resolve. He earned my respect........

Good post, as good a Gators. Yes, Dani is a talented guy, works hard, etc. I admire the guy for that, but I don't have much "respect" for 'the man'. But then again, as Gator reminded us, this is all from a limited perspective. So my perspective is I don't like him. I think he's arrogant and a ..... So we disagree, ok fine.

Actually, believe it or not, seeing you be so adamant about honoring all the guys on the grid did influence me a bit (really guys, he influence me enough to say “good job” to Kallio. I was impressed by your ability to love everybody. So perhaps some day I’ll make the leap, but baby steps for me. For now I will say I don't "hate" the guy, but I "dislike" him very very much.


Cool?

EDIT: Dog hater!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Sep 3 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... No.

Oh ...., and I just posted such a good post for Levi, now I gotta edit it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Okay, sorry, my bad bro, we're all cool again.

Stop being such a .... You know I love you. Dani Padrosa--not so much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 3 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh ...., and I just posted such a good post for Levi, now I gotta edit it.




Stop being such a .... You know I love you. Dani Padrosa--not so much.
Arrr aint that sweet. that's all sit around holding hands and sing a little song.....poofta's
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I hope Danni never wins the title. There I said it....again

It's obvious that Pedrosa doesn't suck, so what was up with those t-shirts those guys were wearing. Maybe they should have said, Pedrosa is arrogant. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 3 2009, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope Danni never wins the title. There I said it....again

It's obvious that Pedrosa doesn't suck, so what was up with those t-shirts those guys were wearing. Maybe they should have said, Pedrosa is arrogant. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

....Or a shirt that says, Pedro blames every one else for his woes. Nah I guess you're right, Pedro Sucks is more succinct. Definitely not the same effect.

Popcorn please!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Sep 4 2009, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....Or a shirt that says, Pedro blames every one else for his woes. Nah I guess you're right, Pedro Sucks is more succinct. Definitely not the same effect.
Hey Gator, did you see jumkies old Avi. the one where nicky hayden was laughing while signing something ?
Guess what he was signing ? that may give you an idea of haydens and his fans feelings towards the little Hrc golden boy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 3 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Gator, did you see jumkies old Avi. the one where nicky hayden was laughing while signing something ?
Guess what he was signing ? that may give you an idea of haydens and his fans feelings towards the little Hrc golden boy

I honestly think he told me the story but I was too ...... up to remember it now...Please refresh my memory cuz now I'm fixated on it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GatorDuc @ Sep 3 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly think he told me the story but I was too ...... up to remember it now...Please refresh my memory cuz now I'm fixated on it!
WTF? Shouldnt u b saving peoples lives and ....? Didnt u just call me and say u wer going to work? Hahaha. Outstanding. At least u got ur priorities right man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Sep 3 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Popcorn please!!!
Really? Do u think u should b eating more?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 4 2009, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really? Do u think u should b eating more?

Seriously!!?? I'll .... you up man! You're brave from a few thousand miles away. I'm going to remind you of your youth and stuff you in a locker next time we meet! Sound fun? Just like high school all over for you..............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Sep 3 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seriously!!?? I'll .... you up man! You're brave from a few thousand miles away. I'm going to remind you of your youth and stuff you in a locker next time we meet! Sound fun? Just like high school all over for you..............
outch. In case u forgot, i did beat anorexia. Hahaha. Dude, at least put a smilely face so i know ur just ....... with me.

You're scared!!