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I wonder what Lorenzo thinks about all of this. Rossi v. Yamaha/Lorenzo. Rossi v. Ducati. Marquez v. Pedrosa. Cal v. Yamaha. Lorenzo keeps winning, an accomplishment for which he receives a bi-weekly 5 minute media spot to explain the alchemy of hammering butter into gold-plated GP trophies.

 

My only regret is that Cal has been sucked into the abyss of euro-continental politics. The likelihood of escape is very long odds.

 

I'm noticing an emerging trend from the continental motogp industry. If the talented rider is a Brit, he will be treated to passive-aggressive tactics, which emanates from subconscious jealousy that Britons have their own special island. If the talented rider is American, he will be treated with metered respect in accordance with the subconscious desires of all continental euros to achieve manifest destiny on their own continent. If the talented rider is Australian, he will be treated to unrestricted warfare b/c no man should be so lucky as to have his own island AND his own continent.

 

This is my interpretation of GP politics :D
 
mylexicon
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I wonder what Lorenzo thinks about all of this. Rossi v. Yamaha/Lorenzo. Rossi v. Ducati. Marquez v. Pedrosa. Cal v. Yamaha. Lorenzo keeps winning, an accomplishment for which he receives a bi-weekly 5 minute media spot to explain the alchemy of hammering butter into gold-plated GP trophies.

 

My only regret is that Cal has been sucked into the abyss of euro-continental politics. The likelihood of escape is very long odds.

 

I'm noticing an emerging trend from the continental motogp industry. If the talented rider is a Brit, he will be treated to passive-aggressive tactics, which emanates from subconscious jealousy that Britons have their own special island. If the talented rider is American, he will be treated with metered respect in accordance with the subconscious desires of all continental euros to achieve manifest destiny on their own continent. If the talented rider is Australian, he will be treated to unrestricted warfare b/c no man should be so lucky as to have his own island AND his own continent.

 

This is my interpretation of GP politics :D


The most sensible I've ever seen you talk about politics in any case.
 
Arrabbiata1
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Plus ....... 1. This post should be enshrined as a mandatory default signature whilst new joiners should tick the box marked 'I have read and fully understand ALR's 16th post/amendment' before being allowed to proceed with membership. The perfect antidote to the rampant Zoot pandemic, outbreak of BJC (actually sounds like a virus), and associated B J Taylorism.


 


God bless internet forums. God Bless Powerslide - 'boasting' more armchair expertise than ....... DFS.


 


So Crutchlow shot his mouth off again. These guys are racers...they take lessons in PR, but I guess Cal's end of term report regarding that particular module would probably read 'must try harder'; according to Powerslide - 'should have done better' and in general 'all at sea'....or would that be Pedrosa? (keep up). Fortunately, his performance on that bike this season merits an A+ ..that's all that matters to this myopic Brit..and evidently to him.


 


Aside from the admittedly hardly insignificant matter of seventeen world championships between them (yeah - my own mental arithmetic/spurious reckoning...BJC perhaps a quick Wikki check necessitated here) - Messrs Reid, Roberts, Doohan, Schwantz and Gardner forged a career inscribed by opinionated ........ - and added to that, a nice little earner for retirement. Let's cut the hagiography...Sheene was a bit of a knob too. Yeah, he had appreciably more natural talent than Cal, but from where I'm sitting...the view from my armchair tells me that there's a .... sight mouthier gobshites populating that paddock with only a fraction of the ability and tenacity that Cal possesses. Pol Espagaro for one, is treading dangerously on the that particular territory.  I don't give a .... how many Moto 2 races he's been gifted, field finally levelled - Scotty's smokin' him this season. His recent comment that Redding can't ride in the heat (the implication being..manage his tyres under high track temperatures..in other words, degradation - something the pint size prick isn't necessarily susceptible to) only highlights his own limitations/insecurities in the wet or cool conditions (a significant climatic component given the duration and geographical scope of the championship)..further betraying his own inadequacies and vulnerability and actually makes Scott more determined to own him on his own scorched turf. Pol is destined to become another Bautista, - same inflated pay, only minus the talent. Another revolving Spanish billboard propelled and circulating fortnightly boosted by 'auspicious' Spanish sponsorship. If factory equipment is availed to him in a satellite guise it merely reinforces how ...... up and unjust this sport has become. At least Bradley soldiered through a Moto 2 campaign with Tech 3, on a prehistoric chassis but also through affiliation with the squad and crew as opposed to being transplanted.


 


Back to Bazza...In my opinion, few in this sport have self-shafted their career more spectacularly than Sheene when he openly shunned Suzuki - yes Lyria, whilst still under contract to the marque. It happens - it will continue to happen, this is no revelation.


 


Does amassing championships like a god also imbue you with a God given or divine right to vent spleen upon a factory whilst still under contract?..Reid was very sly...but as machiavellian as the prince of speed was prone to be, he ultimately couldn't throttle back his high revving motor mouth and things weren't as finely tuned in those days. To answer the question look no further than the Clown Prince himself and his trackside rock breaking antics - a massive 'up yours' to HRC - yet they still desperately tried to avert his defection to Yamaha and retain his services. The nub of this argument appears to be...wait until you amass more silverware than than BM's virtual fantasy trophy cabinet then you have carte blanche to speak openly and assuredly because you've earned it....if you're bigger than the sport itself...then hey, why not re-write the rule book while you're at it. Such 'achievements' can be partially attributed to circumstance, politics and comparative advantage.


 


What the .... was Crutchlow thinking? probably not a great deal..being local and having followed him since Apriia superteen days I can honestly say from my armchair perspective now, that's Cal. I'm ....... proud of the boy..in the same way I was proud of Casey having followed him since 2001 in the British 125cc Championship (significantly longer than 90% of the Aussie boners on here). Cal might not box clever, but on track he can certainly punch above his weight. yeah Dorna school their riders in the art of prescriptive P/R platitudes - but Cal already graduated from the school of hard knocks. Granted..no doubt he'll probably never notch up so much as a GP win, but like Rob Mac or Mckenzie, by .... has he ruffled some feathers and taken some scalps..in Cal's case mostly impeccable Spanish and Italian coiffured plumage. Good! If Guy Martin had anything approaching the level of ability to ascend to the same level can you imagine the .... storm he'd unleash...and we'd love him for it because of his prior reputation. He wouldn't reign in his behaviour or compromise in the slightest. Overwhelmingly whenever I meet race fans overseas they always comment on our Guy - what  character he is and en-masse, lap up tales of his maverick tendencies. Pertinently - and petulantly, on the subject of Maverick's...there was nothing like the outrage on here when said <span style="font-size:14px;<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;Viñales marched out on his employer and team like a spoilt child. It's my ball and I'm not playing anymore...I'm going home. At least Casey can actually fish. Has it damaged his career? - has it .......Maverick has a very sound Spanish insurance policy.


 


Cal, like Casey will never be a servile programatic PR mouthpiece. Unlike Stoner - two championships to the deficit and and lacking the same God given unsurpassed natural ability his bargaining power is considerably diminished - which as I say appears to be the thrust of this thread. 


 


There seems to be an overwhelming sentiment in sofa city that Cal should leave his talking to the racetrack...again from my particular armchair 'vantage' point he's hardly acquitting himself badly this season. This sport is all about ascendency, improving, surfing that learning curve..the second you plateaux - you're ...... - wiped out. Yeah Talps, - Cal has committed the heinous crime of beating Valentino  on an M1 the fabled weapon of choice... twice...purely due to the fact that Vale is supposedly on inferior factory equipment  :taunt: . I concede - that has historically happened on many occasions - many a developmental cul de sac has stalled a potential championship campaign and prompted a sudden u-turn. Given Valentino's legacy - which is regularly deposited on here like a virtual ....... sperm bank - an online force-fed deep throat custard coloured ....... fest.....by my reckoning "the boy dun good". Not bad for a working class lad from Coventry..beating Valentino Rossi at Le Mans? Personally I'd take that...but there'd always be some ....... armchair racer or mindless fanboy perched ready to detract and debunk over the internet. I read in the Times today that last year when the Senior TT was cancelled because of the weather..John McGuiness affirmed that 'rider safety is paramount' - a poster to the TT website forum responded..."rider safety? bollocks, they've all gone soft". From the relative comfort of his surround sound settee.


 


My view? Rossi would have fared better at Le Mans on the Tech 3 M1 primarily because of the forward mounted fuel tank - a design derivative of last years machine which I'm amazed that Rossi hasn't petulantly demanded by now. Much is made over Valentino's supremacy on the supposedly inferior 2004 M1. Given that we are debating a minutiae of positive or negative difference between M1 machinery I'd say simply...as unpalatable as it would seem your boy ...... up...go eat the humble (custard) pie. We always hear that rain is a great leveller. In my opinion, if you were to genuinely level this field purely on machinery stakes, Andrea Dovizioso would be the chief beneficiary - and Rossi one of the main losers. Meantime, Cal wouldn't complain. Regarding Austin - Valentino aside, I was there..I'm adamant (and Talps can we excuse a small indiscretion upshifting at 145mph on a prototype projectile?) had it not been for Cal's shall we say early lap zeal, Jorge would not have stood on that rostrum.  But again...I refer back to ALR's caveat..who are we to know? Most everything powerslide resides in the realm of supposition and very often, a woefully exposed conspicuous lack of insight.. 


 


Cal has most likely jeopardised his future in Moto GP - possibly committed career suicide - if only you guys had been there to brief. .... me - If I had his talent and I'd put in the same level of dedication to get off my couch and endured the highs the lows - the pain and the agony that it takes to achieve what he has, given my foibles, my integrity and humanity and my resultant limitations - .... it, stupidity...in the face of Pol Espa......... garo - I'd have probably launched the same irrational diatribe.


 


Forum opinion is largely predicated upon ill informed hearsay, speculative conjecture the benefit of hindsight and the relative comfort of a recliner; as opposed to a fully fledged race fettled satellite Yamaha M1 and the onerous accompanying paddock/peer and sponsor pressure and exposure weighing down on a rider.


 


Irrespective of the kangaroo court on this thread, an outspoken and outraged Cal ...... up...contradicted himself and expressed ideas above his station..presumably because he indignantly perceived that he is surplus to Yamaha's requirements - doubtless he is now. So when we've pilloried him enough...let's turn our attention to Pol. Perhaps I'll cast the first rock.....from the comfort of my armchair.


 


Rossi will likely smoke Cal tomorrow...but the lad could possibly literally die trying. Shame on you all.


As ever, my learned friend speaks the truth.
 
Garbin
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...and the award for least relevant post goes to... ;)


 


Whoa, whoa. That IT post had a point, made sense and was in response to an above post.


 


Go check out some SCOTYY or SuperShittty posts or some of BM's ....
 
bluegreen
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Whoa, whoa. That IT post had a point, made sense and was in response to an above post.

 

Go check out some SCOTYY or SuperShittty posts or some of BM's ....


+1
 
ALR
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Oh dear. Is it the lack of oxygen up there that exacerbates the assumption of a deity? 


 


I don't know, intimately or otherwise, any of the GP riders - which makes any judgement on their actions redundant. More importantly, I have absolutely no idea the reasons behind what they say - therefore any perceived perception and perspective would simply be ludicrous. There are some advantages to being an adult though.


 


Tomorrow, Cal and all the other riders will put their testicles on the line and flirt with death. This spectacle will be watched by millions, then replayed and talked about for days / weeks - maybe even decades. 3 people may read this post, plus a Jack Russell that stepped on a keyboard somewhere. 


 


 
Perhaps I may need to take a mulligan on this one, but I failed to see the stellar insight in this above post beyond what I would evaluate as simply a decent and sobering reminder that these players are human. Yes, truly a sobering reprimand.  I say this sincerely.  We should all pause when offering our opinions.
 
Now what?  How long should we pause?  I mean, given that for the most part, WE present our opinions in such places as these, not because they are of any real importance (anybody who would think so would be rather stupid) but because we present them for the sake of presenting them, and a bit of self-importance.  I also find it ironic that you would reference a high-horse to open your post, and proceed in high-horsing.  I suppose that is rather convenient, eh?  No need for any elevation change.  
 
You didn’t say anything that I haven’t read before, that is when somebody decided they were above casting opinion (of course and then proceed in offering it) except you said it more eloquently.  Please, don’t be stung by my brash ways, but honestly, what do you expect on an internet forum where this space is solely dedicated to discussing, arguing, conversing, debating, chatting, praising, and thrashing every little unimportant thing about an unimportant sport by members who are irrelevant authorities (except for our resident exports of course).  No .... most of us don’t know the riders intimately, is that your litmus test for passing judgment on the things they say publicly!?  The daily routine of your life would be most interesting then, assuming this really is the way you live your life.  Most of us judge any manner of things and people within minutes of first impressions, I dare say seconds. The people here for the most part read every accessible printed material and watch every available video about these players.  Barring the odd member, like say MotoChick, we don’t exactly go around sleeping with our subjects, but for ..... sake, we know a lot about their careers.  And isn’t it this we are commenting on?  An interview made abundantly and spectacularly public?
 
Yet I suspect even the paddock insiders who do drink beers with eachother, compete against each other, probably even .... eachother’s girlfriends (at very least share a brolly dolly every now and then, at least I hope) talk and pass judgment as much .... (and praise) about eachtother as anybody here (yes, even without the full scope knowing or not knowing eachother intimately).  I could actually quote you some, as funny as some have gone public (which again is the domain we are commenting on here) for example: Mr. Burgess glibly declaring he could decode the mystery of a bike that an entire racing squadron of geniuses could not decipher, (perhaps they weren’t trying hard enough) here an “expert insider” made a judgment who’s judgment actually turned out to be “redundant”.   This is just one small example that came to mind, though I could quote you a plethora, as a one Valentino Rossi has provided many a “redundant” judgments (which I have keep particular track of).  I should hope you understand that supposed authority of the subject matter, intimidate or not, still makes for just as easy superfluous opinion.
 
 


“More importantly, I have absolutely no idea the reasons behind what they say - therefore any perceived perception and perspective would simply be ludicrous. There are some advantages to being an adult though.”


 

 
 
This part of your post was for me the most disturbing (after I made out what you were actually trying to say) because this statement (while poorly made) is part of the justification being made here on this thread by some as to why it would be “ludicrous” for us to make any conclusions, opinions, or assessment on what a person states.  So then, if we don’t have the absolute ideas (or facts) behind the reasons somebody would say something ‘publically’, then we as consumers of such public statements have no possibility of reasonable assessment?  Breathtaking.  I wonder what your world is like?
 
Cal’s statements were clear enough.  And as such, a reasonable assessment could be made and opinions formulated.  We made differ on our assessments, ok, I can accept this, but no assessment at all?  That IS ludicrous.  If you can’t find it reasonable because you don’t know all the facts, then surely as you said, “there are some advantages to being an adult”
 
 
truent
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 Definitely sick of the Apple craze.. You UK boys should know.. It's all about Linux! ;)


 


Last time I looked, my Macbook was running unix.
 
Gaz
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Arrab, absolutely farken brilliant as always, a great pleasure to read.


 


 


Now, for my take 


 


As someone who has always supported the rights of Stoner to speak out recently, I have so enjoyed reading a number of Cal's comments over recent years ranging from his unsolicitied commentary on an issue through to his support of a number of Stoner comments (the RDP incident anyone?).


 


I sure as .... am not going to critices Cal for his utterances then, and sure as hell will not now as for me the sport needs riders like Cal who will speak out, just as CS had done for years and of course different riders for years before that. To hear a genuine unsolicited and unsanitised rider comment is sensational and shows that not all of these guys are PR geniuses or prepared to follow the doctrines of the various PR departments. Personally I am well over the robotic comments of a number of riders and so to again hear fresh faced opinion spewed forth with vitriol, belief and intensity is so bloody great to read.


 


Once can 'see' that this really hurts by his words and that shows that Cal is first and foremost a racer and will not succumb to the 'speak nice and get a pat on the back for 9th brigade' that some seem to want. No, this guy wants the best and damn it, he will tell the world what he wants, why he wants it and why the fark he is entitled to it.


 


Speak up and speak often Cal and while it hurts to say as an Aussie, I will openly support a bloody ...................... aw crap, I can't say it ........................... a bloody pom (to Aussies and Brits, will know how hard that is to admit ............. an Aussie supporting a Brit).


 


We need more of it, so I say stick a microphone is his face often and ask him questions,.


 


 


 
Disclaimer: Long post ahead.  You can skip it and .... off if you like.  (Even you BJC since you got me on ignore…allegedly).
 
 
Agree on your opening point, who among us with a minimum level of literacy could not look upon Arrabi’s post with nothing less than wonderful trepidation? Gaz, in Austin there was this one memorable moment where Arrabi and Austin were talking outside the house about MotoGP and I wanted to go inside the house to take a piss, but I held it, I held it because I didn’t want to miss anything these two were saying.  I actually pointed to Bluegreen and said, “you see what I mean?”  I’m reminded of something my buddy CaliKid said about Brits, they could cuss us out and we’d like it.  Now multiply this by the seconds in a year, and Truly a man to be respected, particularly given our motoracing discussion on such a space as this, to be revered! Believe me Gaz, as having met the man, he is as intimidating in virtual print as he is in real life.  Such is the reason why I have chosen you to reply, as you (and please don’t take this the wrong way) are closer to my station, admittedly I’m well below it); nonetheless, closer if only in absolute arithmetical proximity to yours rather than Arrabi.
 
Is not what a man says when he “speaks out” relevant?!  Is the only admirable relevancy is that he “speak out”?  I find the association to Stoner’s “speaking out” and exposing some of the sport's ........ compared to this specific interview from Cal to be a bit mistaken at best…
 
Let me back up.  Did you read my post to ALaiR?  Of course, who are we to question and pass judgments on any riders? Right?  We are mere pieces of couch .... potatoes compared to them.  And there is some truth to this…and some fallacy too.  But then again, what the hell are we discussing anyway? It is of zero to no barring on the lives of these players.  Why do we sit in front of a computer screen and type this drivel then?  And believe me, even ALR and his Jack Russell pontificating that we have no right to comment on these riders and their careers, are sitting here reading our words!  Otherwise how the hell could he comment on our commenting? Ha!  For the most part we admire all the riders just the same, and disparage them as our passions of fanaticism prescribe!  I’d just as soon hang out all day with Dani Padrosa and surpass being star struck if he’d let me.   Think about this, why else would so many Stoner fans not like Rossi and Rossi fans, and visa versa?  Of logical civility and polite graciousness regarding our fanaticism lets not speak!  .... even level headed professionals like Kropo salivate over his favorite rider; as there is a new storm on the horizon, Marc my words.  So then, have I justified my reply yet?  Lets just accept then that I’m an over opinionated ........  Ignore me and move along.
 
Gaz, I know you will read my whole post, as I’ve learned you are a generous member, one that has entertained my ramblings.  So allow me to offer you a bit more intimate insight into my personal insecurities.  (Shh, by now we have lost 99% of all those following this thread, and more importantly, this very post).  When I read Cal’s interview, I laughed.  I laughed because I could just envision a dude so frustrated and lashing out at the unfairness of it all.  Part of me pitied him, part of me thought, how pathetic, ‘fairness’ you’ve had a fair shake and them some MF, and part of me thought, dude, that’s kind of ballsy (and though I emphatically argue his point went astray, at least the vein of being assertive I wholeheartedly wish Nicky possessed at least a tenth of Cal’s willingness to make noise); …all with the caveat that Cal is a rider whom my dearest of friends admire. Kinda puts me in a precarious situation.  But then again, my second favorite rider is Brit (Haslam) and truth be told, I’m like Redding quite a bit, but enough of nationalistic pride....  So posting up my take on Cal’s inteview I knew it was taking risk.  I was of course hoping nobody would notice, well nobody I care about at least.  After a day and a half of feeling sheepish and shamed (if you could bottle my inner consternations, I’d send you a keg), my character flaws have reared their ugly multiple heads.  So you know what?  .... what Cal said!  
 
I’m not gonna sit here and be shamed by what Cal said simply because I’m not a world class rider in the same paddock.  I’m not gonna sit here and be shamed because I pointed out the absurd claims and demands that are completely out of line and out of whack.  Your association with Cal’s comments and Casey Stoner are completely mistaken at best!  And you make Casey no favors in comparing Cal’s speaking out in this particular case.  Stoner spoke out about the ........ directions GP was taking and Dorna's highjacking of the sport; Cal on the other hand, is telling his employer I won't work for you if you hire that "undeserving" guy (on what merit does Cal think he got into the league then...) (end of part 1)
 
(scroll past this post. I was waiting for somebody to post something so I wouldn't have back to back post, but I got tired of waiting.  I did this so you won't feel like you had to read one long ... post, well...at least those of you who will read it)


 


Here is a funny picture to distract you...


 


 


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is that BJC?
 

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Gaz
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We need more of it, so I say stick a microphone is his face often and ask him questions,.


 


Yeah, thats what we need, to stick a mic in Cal's face so we can hear more of his comments?  Ah, a man after my own heart.  Actually, I'll admit, this was in fact the number 1 reason I wanted Crutchlow to be signed by Ducati.  Oh the horror.  Thank God cooler heads prevailed.  Think of the children.


 


 
Part 2
 
DOES NOT WHAT A RIDER SAYS WHEN “SPEAKING OUT” MATTER?  Is it just important in your book that he “spoke out”?  I can’t be that far off base here given the spectacular clarity of what Cal said in this interview.  He is NOT pointing out some ........ about the sport!  He is demanding of his employer that they don't give another dude basically the same opportunity that was given to him!  If you want to make an association to Stoner point out the ........ CRT grid fillers Dorna bamboozled the spectators into accepting, then again, as a Stoner fan that I know you are, you do his 'quitting/retirement/resignation' no favors in my humble opinion.   We ourselves have aided Cal with the connotations that he was exposing some ........, but that is NOT what he expressed!  I am well aware of the ........ that is MotoGP, for god sake my moniker above my post count is MotoWWF!  I know the Spanish have highjacked this sport, I’ve been screaming about it for years. I agree that Pol is “undeserving” as is the normal supposed and perceived “deservingness” of riders to be promoted to MotoGP, BUT if Pol is deemed "undeserving" should the same standard have been applied to Cal?  Undeserving?  Is it?  How do we make this determination?  Are Cal's two Wsbk wins more or less that Pol's GP wins?  Cal has the balls to judge Pol with the standard that he himself was privileged with imHo!  He asked what has Pol done?  WTF, do we really want to cast a light on the merits of his promotion?  Using his very standard he didn’t do relatively .... apart from 2 home Wsbk wins to get into MotoGP.  Well wait, he doe have a SS title, so how far back should we go?  Perhaps JRea's Rookies Cup wins?  (Oh I digress)  Surely this is equal to what Pol has accomplished thus far.  Who is Cal to demand who is and who isn’t his teammate?!  This is the part that ..... me up.  How the hell does he get a pass for saying and demanding this?  Had Cal been so unfairly treated in GP?
 
Your entire post is mirroring this mistaken association with Stoner, where you in affect disparage what Stoner has called ........, with the condition given this specific interview from Cal.  Not only that, but you pad your argument by saying the “speak nice brigade" are what, just punching in the clock, oh well tell me, who wants to rider ...... bikes?  Did Casey Stoner rubbish his Ducati and team and employer publically?  Did he Gaz?  Did Casey say, yo, WTF, if Ducati signs Lorenzo to a 15 million dollar contract I won't race for you?  C'mon, let compare apples to apples.  Stoner had good reason too, unlike Cal Crutchlow.  Can you not distinguish the “speaking out” validity of such statements?  ...., if the litmus test of “speaking out” for the sake of it is to be admired, then Alberto Puig trumps them all.  “Speak up and speak often”?  It doesn’t matter what is said right?  Just complain.  That's what we want?
 
Cal has demonstrated he has talent.  I'm not even gonna go into the size of his balls, but then again, what riders havent ridden with broken bones?  It’s not a mystery.  As I said, he was the only one within tenths of Jlo and VR during qual, and race pace he was also there.  But I’m not gonna sit here and ignore the fact he has the tools of the M1 package to be there.  And lets not forget, He certainly didn’t start off this way.  He sucked ... first year, and got school year two, fact!  His better teammate (Dovi) moved on to a .... bike, yet still on occasion gives him a run for his money still on a vastly inferior machine (we can only imagine where he might be on an M1).  This a Dovi replaced by the young Bradley (as nice as me may be) the kid is being outclassed (ok, lets chalk it up to being a rookie, a rookie being beat by Ducatis and that other Espargaro on a CRT, ok).  As I said in another thread, Cal would be hard pressed to make his case if like last year he had Dovi to follow around. How is this swept under the rug?  It’s swept under the rug because the reality is Cal is performing (though we are in the dark to compare, except he is outperforming VR, and that is admirable).  I would happily reject the notion that he shouldn’t talk .... given his lacking record.  Or the idea being, because you have won something doesn't allow you to make demand (or the reverse logic).  But is this the standard Cal is invoking?  If he (Cal) would extend the same to those he is verbally attacking (Pol)...and trust me, I have no love for the MF either, as I'm rooting for somebody else in Moto2) then I'd be more inclined to give Crutchlow a pass on his demands to Yamaha.  This doesn’t hold up given the fact that the principle is being used as a double standard in this case.  Its ok for Cal to say Pol is undeserving because he hasn’t won ...., but its not ok to hold Cal to this same standard?  As I said, generally, when riders demand .... and talk ...., the more you have by way of records the more seriously you are taken.  If this justification were going to be disparaged, wouldn’t it first apply to the guy talking?
 
You know Gaz, I had said I wished Cal had gone to Ducati.  I firmly believe he would have faired no better than Nicky, Spies, or Iannone.  We could speculate all we want, but that is my “judgment”.  His career would have faded fast.  Now he is demanding that Yamaha not sign a rider of their choosing, in affect denying the opportunity that he himself was given.  Why isn’t Cal speaking out about how Bradley Smith was promoted?  How do we really know how bad that Tech3 was, its not like Smith is kicking ... now.  When it’s all said and done, Pol will have accomplished more than Bradley to be promoted to MotoGP, as he already has (on paper).  Why did Cal deserve his Tech3 opportunity after a Supersport title and two home wins over Pol’s current 4th in the Moto2 points (and probably will end up runner-up).   Cal has a big mouth and has said stupid ...., and you want a mic to be put in front of him at every opportunity?  Why?  Again, this isn’t an indictment about Cal’s talent, so all of you put this out of your minds; his Tech3 M1 doesn’t ride itself, and he is keeping up with the other riders on similar/superior equipment.  So kudos.  But this should not blur your vision when it comes to assessing stupid .... riders say.  I’m no Pol Espargaro fan, .... him; but I’m just barely smart enough to comprehend Cal is attempting to deny another rider the same opportunities he got.  Ok, he made good on it after two years and minus a comparable teammate, why can’t Pol?  And I’ll add, if Pol doesn’t get signed to a Yamaha contract as Kropo has announced, it won’t be because of Cal’s performance or big mouth, it will be because of Scott Redding’s performance.  
 
Jumkie
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Yeah, thats what we need, to stick a mic in Cal's face so we can here more of his comments?  Ah, a man after my own heart.  Actually, I'll admit, this was in fact the number 1 reason I wanted Crutchlow to be signed by Ducati.  Oh the horror.  Thank God cooler heads prevailed.  Think of the children.


 


 
Part 2
 
DOES NOT WHAT A RIDER SAYS WHEN “SPEAKING OUT” MATTER?  Is it just important in your book that he “spoke out”?  I can’t be that far off base here given the spectacular clarity of what Cal said in this interview.  He is NOT pointing out some ........ about the sport!  He is demanding of his employer that they don't give another dude basically the same opportunity that was given to him!  If you want to make an association to Stoner point out the ........ CRT grid fillers Dorna bamboozled the spectators into accepting, then again, as a Stoner fan that I know you are, you do his 'quitting/retirement/resignation' no favors in my humble opinion.   We ourselves have aided Cal with the connotations that he was exposing some ........, but that is NOT what he expressed!  I am well aware of the ........ that is MotoGP, for god sake my moniker above my post count is MotoWWF!  I know the Spanish have highjacked this sport, I’ve been screaming about it for years. I agree that Pol is “undeserving” as is the normal supposed and perceived “deservingness” of riders to be promoted to MotoGP, BUT if Pol is deemed "undeserving" should the same standard have been applied to Cal?  Undeserving?  Is it?  How do we make this determination?  Are Cal's two Wsbk wins more or less that Pol's GP wins?  Cal has the balls to judge Pol with the standard that he himself was privileged with imHo!  He asked what has Pol done?  WTF, do we really want to cast a light on the merits of his promotion?  Using his very standard he didn’t do relatively .... apart from 2 home Wsbk wins to get into MotoGP.  Well wait, he doe have a SS title, so how far back should we go?  Perhaps JRea's Rookies Cup wins?  (Oh I digress)  Surely this is equal to what Pol has accomplished thus far.  Who is Cal to demand who is and who isn’t his teammate?!  This is the part that ..... me up.  How the hell does he get a pass for saying and demanding this?  Had Cal been so unfairly treated in GP?
 
Your entire post is mirroring this mistaken association with Stoner, where you in affect disparage what Stoner has called ........, with the condition given this specific interview from Cal.  Not only that, but you pad your argument by saying the “speak nice brigade" are what, just punching in the clock, oh well tell me, who wants to rider ...... bikes?  Did Casey Stoner rubbish his Ducati and team and employer publically?  Did he Gaz?  Did Casey say, yo, WTF, if Ducati signs Lorenzo to a 15 million dollar contract I won't race for you?  C'mon, let compare apples to apples.  Stoner had good reason too, unlike Cal Crutchlow.  Can you not distinguish the “speaking out” validity of such statements?  ...., if the litmus test of “speaking out” for the sake of it is to be admired, then Alberto Puig trumps them all.  “Speak up and speak often”?  It doesn’t matter what is said right?  Just complain.  That's what we want?
 
Cal has demonstrated he has talent.  I'm not even gonna go into the size of his balls, but then again, what riders havent ridden with broken bones?  It’s not a mystery.  As I said, he was the only one within tenths of Jlo and VR during qual, and race pace he was also there.  But I’m not gonna sit here and ignore the fact he has the tools of the M1 package to be there.  And lets not forget, He certainly didn’t start off this way.  He sucked ... first year, and got school year two, fact!  His better teammate (Dovi) moved on to a .... bike, yet still on occasion gives him a run for his money still on a vastly inferior machine (we can only imagine where he might be on an M1).  This a Dovi replaced by the young Bradley (as nice as me may be) the kid is being outclassed (ok, lets chalk it up to being a rookie, a rookie being beat by Ducatis and that other Espargaro on a CRT, ok).  As I said in another thread, Cal would be hard pressed to make his case if like last year he had Dovi to follow around. How is this swept under the rug?  It’s swept under the rug because the reality is Cal is performing (though we are in the dark to compare, except he is outperforming VR, and that is admirable).  I would happily reject the notion that he shouldn’t talk .... given his lacking record.  Or the idea being, because you have won something doesn't allow you to make demand (or the reverse logic).  But is this the standard Cal is invoking?  If he (Cal) would extend the same to those he is verbally attacking (Pol)...and trust me, I have no love for the MF either, as I'm rooting for somebody else in Moto2) then I'd be more inclined to give Crutchlow a pass on his demands to Yamaha.  This doesn’t hold up given the fact that the principle is being used as a double standard in this case.  Its ok for Cal to say Pol is undeserving because he hasn’t won ...., but its not ok to hold Cal to this same standard?  As I said, generally, when riders demand .... and talk ...., the more you have by way of records the more seriously you are taken.  If this justification were going to be disparaged, wouldn’t it first apply to the guy talking?
 
You know Gaz, I had said I wished Cal had gone to Ducati.  I firmly believe he would have faired no better than Nicky, Spies, or Iannone.  We could speculate all we want, but that is my “judgment”.  His career would have faded fast.  Now he is demanding that Yamaha not sign a rider of their choosing, in affect denying the opportunity that he himself was given.  Why isn’t Cal speaking out about how Bradley Smith was promoted?  How do we really know how bad that Tech3 was, its not like Smith is kicking ... now.  When it’s all said and done, Pol will have accomplished more than Bradley to be promoted to MotoGP, as he already has (on paper).  Why did Cal deserve his Tech3 opportunity after a Supersport title and two home wins over Pol’s current 4th in the Moto2 points (and probably will end up runner-up).   Cal has a big mouth and has said stupid ...., and you want a mic to be put in front of him at every opportunity?  Why?  Again, this isn’t an indictment about Cal’s talent, so all of you put this out of your minds; his Tech3 M1 doesn’t ride itself, and he is keeping up with the other riders on similar/superior equipment.  So kudos.  But this should not blur your vision when it comes to assessing stupid .... riders say.  I’m no Pol Espargaro fan, .... him; but I’m just barely smart enough to comprehend Cal is attempting to deny another rider the same opportunities he got.  Ok, he made good on it after two years and minus a comparable teammate, why can’t Pol?  And I’ll add, if Pol doesn’t get signed to a Yamaha contract as Kropo has announced, it won’t be because of Cal’s performance or big mouth, it will be because of Scott Redding’s performance.  


One thing Stoner never did was disparage his  employer whilst contracted to them, as you say.
 
Kropotkin
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Crutchlow to stay at Yamaha. You heard it here first.


 


Suspected this when he started mentioning Yamaha again, instead of just thanking the tech3 team.
 

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