Cork Screw

SackWack · Jul 16, 2008

I don't to know the answere to the question but on another level here is how riders view tracks a little different.

Shinya Nakano on the Corkscrew
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>“I like Laguna Seca in general – the first year we raced there I was really shocked with how you have to take the Corkscrew but then year after year I've got used to it. Without doubt the riders who are fastest through that corner notice a big difference to their lap time.

Melandri on the Corkscrew
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I really like Laguna Seca. It is a short track that barely gives you chance to catch your breath and it is very technical, with some really fast corners mixed with some slower ones," Melandri said. "The Corkscrew is probably one of the most famous corners in the world although in reality it is not so crucial to the lap time.

Just thought it was interesting

Thoughts??

chopperman · Jul 16, 2008

dunno, but i dare say im going to find out soon

ive heard its like riding off the edge of a cliff

clarkjw · Jul 16, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 16 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dunno, but i dare say im going to find out soon

ive heard its like riding off the edge of a cliff

Shinya Nakano is the most consistently mediocre/safe rider in MotoGP. The corner will continue to be significant for him as he has made little progress in carryin speed through it and has no desire to test its limits.
You can make a fast rider slower, but not a slow rider faster

Ravensby · Jul 16, 2008

Melandri on the Corkscrew
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QUOTE
I really like Laguna Seca. It is a short track that barely gives you chance to catch your breath and it is very technical, with some really fast corners mixed with some slower ones," Melandri said. "The Corkscrew is probably one of the most famous corners in the world although in reality it is not so crucial to the lap time.

What he realy meant is he can't get around any track fast so what makes this one any different.

an4rew · Jul 16, 2008

Different bikes, different lines, different riders.

SackWack · Jul 16, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 16 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What he realy meant is he can't get around any track fast so what makes this one any different.

Austin · Jul 16, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 16 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What he realy meant is he can't get around any track fast so what makes this one any different.
Except he's podiumed at Laguna twice.

And I don't know if the corkscrew is necessarily where you can make up the most time, but I do know that if you are confident enough to pass on the entrance you can make up positions. I still remember in 2001 when B. Boz went from 6th to 1st in a matter of laps and each pass was made at the entrance to the 'screw. No one really sees it coming.

Hayden Fan · Jul 16, 2008

It's crucial to a good lap. You are setting up every corner from there on for the rest of the lap from there. You are off there, the other 3 corners are not the same. You have to adjust your apexes and braking points.

povol · Jul 16, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Jul 16 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's crucial to a good lap. You are setting up every corner from there on for the rest of the lap from there. You are off there, the other 3 corners are not the same. You have to adjust your apexes and braking points.

According to Nicky Hayden,its crucial.Like you said above,if you miss it,you miss the next 3 corners.Thats from a 2 time winner on the track.

crvlvr · Jul 16, 2008

the cockscrew (as the names .... and screw implies) separates the men from the boys. I've stood right beisde it when the WSB riders were going over it. It is completely blind, almost like jumping off a cliff and turning your bike in mid air so that you enter the right turn at the bottom correctly. Just insane!

Hayden Fan · Jul 16, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>According to Nicky Hayden,its crucial.Like you said above,if you miss it,you miss the next 3 corners.Thats from a 2 time winner on the track.

That's where I heard/read it. I remember a rider saying that, but couldn't remember which rider.

DRILL · Jul 17, 2008

Anyone remember the `Haga line` thru there in the WSBK round ?He went thru it like a hot knife on butter!!!

basspete · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRILL @ Jul 17 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone remember the `Haga line` thru there in the WSBK round ?He went thru it like a hot knife on butter!!!

What about Doohan's "shoulder the haybale " line? How sore did that look?

Pete

krusty · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 17 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about Doohan's "shoulder the haybale " line? How sore did that look?

Pete

Thanks for the reminder ... 1993. Just watched it on Youtube. Nasty Crash ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CMEHJg6Iw...feature=related

BTW, it's different seeing Mick riding with the #2 plate!

Maybe Factory HRC riders should stay away from the #2 plate ... Doohan 1993, Pedrosa 2008! It's little wonder Dr Costa gives so much attention to Mick in his biography!

Oh for the good old days with all that tobacco money in the sport!

Tom · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 17 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's little wonder Dr Costa gives so much attention to Mick in his biography!

Have you read it? what is it like? where can i get it?

kieran · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 17 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you read it? what is it like? where can i get it?
http://www.dukevideo.com/Bikes/Books/Bike%...sta%20Book.aspx

krusty · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 17 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you read it? what is it like? where can i get it?
It's a great read and it has some great photos also! I had a few riders sign it a few years back at Philip Island (Beattie, Mccoy and Checa). They all had a big grin when they worked out what they were signing!

Bikergirl · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Jul 16 2008, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri on the Corkscrew
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I really like Laguna Seca. It is a short track that barely gives you chance to catch your breath and it is very technical, with some really fast corners mixed with some slower ones," Melandri said. "The Corkscrew is probably one of the most famous corners in the world although in reality it is not so crucial to the lap time.

What he realy meant is he can't get around any track fast so what makes this one any different.

If you bothered to take your head out of your rear end for two seconds and bring up google, (any newbie's best friend) you'd find out that off the Ducati Marco has been pretty fast on quite a few tracks. Including Laguna Seca where he was on the podium (3rd placed) in 2006 and 2007 - ie both times he actually finished the race at Laguna. Just because he's not fast this year doesn't mean he never was. That's what you get with people who watch 2 races and become experts. No! Hang on! Within 2 nanoseconds of my hitting the 'add post' button you're going to be back on here, joining the Geriatric Club, henceforth refered to as the Gerries, and claiming you remember Agostini in his 'early days.
sigh
They really ask for it don't they?

basspete · Jul 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Jul 17 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for the reminder ... 1993. Just watched it on Youtube. Nasty Crash ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CMEHJg6Iw...feature=related

BTW, it's different seeing Mick riding with the #2 plate!

Maybe Factory HRC riders should stay away from the #2 plate ... Doohan 1993, Pedrosa 2008! It's little wonder Dr Costa gives so much attention to Mick in his biography!

Oh for the good old days with all that tobacco money in the sport!

Probably the hardest ....... ever to ride a GP bike.

Seen that so many times, still makes me wince.

Pete

gsfan · Jul 17, 2008

Melandri's Kurtis Roberts avoidance crash and subsequent podium show his metal beyond a doubt in my book.

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