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Which Way Does The Tornado Blow?
Colin Edwards Considers His Options
by dean adams
Wednesday, July 25, 2007

The person in the picture above is Colin Edwards II.
Today's announcement that Yamaha has hired Jorge Lorenzo raises an interesting question: what does this mean for Colin Edwards' future on the Yamaha MotoGP team?

Edwards is in the final year of his current Yamaha contract.

Yamaha went to great lengths in the release detailing Lorenzo's hiring to NOT state which team he'll be racing on.

The release reads: The exact structure of Yamaha's team and rider organization is still under consideration at the present time.

Presumably, there are two spots on the factory team and two more on the "Dunlop" team, although slotting him anywhere but on the factory team does seem unlikely.

There could be two spots on the factory team open in '08. A relatively easy way for Yamaha to get Rossi on Bridgestones would be to put him on the B team, on 'stones. Unlikely, yes, but possible. This would leave two open spots on the factory team. Edwards and Lorenzo?

In fact, Edwards could slot in on any number of MotoGP teams for 2008, Yamaha or not. But at 33, Edwards has got to be thinking about what he wants to accomplish before hanging up his leathers.

Some conventional wisdom sees Edwards possibly back in WSBK...unless you ask him. He has no interest in going back to World Superbike. Less than zero, actually.

However one series Edwards does have interest in, as out-of-left-field as it may sound, is the US Superbike series.

Edwards wasn't able to win the US Superbike title before he left for Europe. And that seems to bother him, judging from a conversation after the race at Laguna last Sunday.

Edwards seemed quite interested in racing in the US for a year or two before he retires, for a few personal and professional reasons. "I'm 33," Edwards said. "I basically have had no adult life at all. I have no friends (at home) because I'm always in Europe. And, you know, I wasn't able to win the (US) Superbike title before I left."

Top US Superbike riders command large salaries—Mat Mladin makes more in salary than many factory WSBK riders. The fact that he owns a multi-million dollar airplane speaks for itself. Moreover, as compared to that of a MotoGP rider, life in US Superbike is relatively low key. You're home in your own bed Monday night. Racing in front of your family doesn't mean fourteen-hour plane rides and trying to get your kids to try sushi because that's all the hotel restaurant seems to serve.

Asked to rate his interest level in racing here in the US, Edwards said it isn't just mild interest. "My interest level on that is really quite high," he said in his motorhome. "If I can't get the deal on the team I want in MotoGP, then maybe I'll just go fishing. Or, maybe I'll race here."

Asked to define what he would need to race in the US, Edwards said it would take the right team, equipment, and pay package.

With that understood, it's a natural to immediately link Edwards with a Yamaha US Superbike ride. Edwards is beloved by Yamaha US, and he has very close ties to the US racing department.

Both of Yamaha's US Superbike riders, Eric Bostrom and Jason DiSalvo, are in the final year of their contracts with Yamaha.

ENDS
 
Lorenzo and Rossi will run Bridgestones in the factory squad while Edwars maintains his relationship with Micehlin in the tech 3 team. I can dream can't I???
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 27 2007, 04:39 PM) [snapback]81744[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lorenzo and Rossi will run Bridgestones in the factory squad while Edwars maintains his relationship with Micehlin in the tech 3 team. I can dream can't I???



Tell me that you are kidding me. Rossi on bstones? That would be one helluva season/challenge. I think that Casey/Ducati would be in for a serious battle if Rossi was on the Bstones.

I don't really think that is going to happen but hey we can all dream. I like Rossi over all but I am loving the fact Stoner is giving the field all that they can handle and that Michelin is feeling the heat after years of utter dominance

Edwards?
I have been seriously disappointed in CEII for quite sometime. I really think tha the guy is riding around catching a paycheck. He only seems to gear up for a couple of races a season and then just fulfills his role as an additional test rider. I hope that he does go to US AMA and continues to ride the middle of the pack.
What kind of motivation is that. I think that we have seen that AMA is not as close to the top riders in the world. CEII= out to pasture.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 28 2007, 02:39 AM) [snapback]81744[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lorenzo and Rossi will run Bridgestones in the factory squad while Edwars maintains his relationship with Micehlin in the tech 3 team. I can dream can't I???

I hope this happens, except for the Edwards part, he can run michelins in the US championship.
 
Time and time again Edwards is visibly not near Rossi on the track whens theres not alot of difference performance wise between the two bikes.

Lorenzo will push Rossi i can guarantee that!
 
Colin, love you as a guy and in WSKB, but cya later! Make way for some younger blokes coming through! You had your shot, it didn't work but you're still a great rider! Thanks for the memories and enjoy the AMA!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jul 29 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]81974[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Time and time again Edwards is visibly not near Rossi on the track whens theres not alot of difference performance wise between the two bikes.

Lorenzo will push Rossi i can guarantee that!


Colin has beaten Vale in the wet this year, but in the dry he can't touch him. I wouldn't expect Lorenzo to push Vale straight away, but he will do better than colin.
 
I'm not saying Colin has had a fruitful time with the factory Yamaha but let's not completely lose focus of what's what here.

Rossi could easily develop the M1 and develop tires for Michelin and do a very good job with it, no doubt. But doing it himself (I say himself because very few riders come close to the development skills he and Colin have) would take a fair amount of time. Colin has done a fair amount of work in aiding the development of the M1 and keeping up with Michelin.

This is a two way street here but I don't think you'll find two teammates who share more information than Edwards and Rossi. If Rossi is off the pace he can talk with the other side of the garage and see what solutions they have come up with and Valentino and JB can apply what they have learned and improve. Obviously the same holds true for Colin but he doesn't have the talent of Rossi to take a bike he's not 100% comfortable on and find a way to make it fast enough to run in the top three.

Finally, I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but, I've never believed that Edwards has gotten the same parts as Rossi. From anyone. I don't think he gets the proper support from Yamaha or Michelin. I believe that both companies give Rossi more technical support than Edwards receives. And hey, you can't blame them for focusing on Rossi, he's proven he's a winner time after time. I just think people should take a step back and toss around the possibility that things aren't exactly black and white when it comes to what Rossi and Edwards are given.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Austin @ Aug 1 2007, 05:57 AM) [snapback]82458[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Finally, I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but, I've never believed that Edwards has gotten the same parts as Rossi. From anyone. I don't think he gets the proper support from Yamaha or Michelin. I believe that both companies give Rossi more technical support than Edwards receives. And hey, you can't blame them for focusing on Rossi, he's proven he's a winner time after time. I just think people should take a step back and toss around the possibility that things aren't exactly black and white when it comes to what Rossi and Edwards are given.


I can confirm the theory that Colin doesn't always get the parts Rossi does. After the race in Portugal last year when Colin was clearly faster than Rossi for most of the race, I pointed out on the CE forum that he must have finally been given the good stuff. Colin's dad chimed in and said that had been the case all of last season and Yamaha finally gave him the good bits so that he could keep up and block for Rossi. A role he executed superbly I may add.

What I find odd is why Yamaha and others continue to do these things. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow them to race for the first half of the season on identical equipment and then support whoever is ahead after the summer break say? (It would still be Rossi anyway but Yamaha would be in a much stronger position for the Manuf. Chamionship).

I like Colin but I also think he's reached a comfort zone and has lost a bit of drive. I remember in 01 or 02 when Rossi rejected the new short exhaust for his Honda saying it was so loud he couldn't hear the engine. Well Gibernau used it and blew by Rossi every time down the straight of Brno (I think), won the race and Rossi was very pissed off. Next race he started using it and Gibernau was never a threat after that. I don't think Edwards has those options and he seems resigned to his fate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reel Nauti @ Aug 1 2007, 07:34 AM) [snapback]82466[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can confirm the theory that Colin doesn't always get the parts Rossi does. ...think Edwards has those options and he seems resigned to his fate.


I think that you may be on to something but the guy has to have some marbles. After all of this time... Honda now Yamaha. Come on dude. You have got to be kidding that he has been content just to ride around and not really prove that he has the goods. Bayliss came back for a little revenge and showed that he is still the man.

Hell at this point, He should be lobbying for Barros job at D'antin.
But I digress.....

So as it looks Toseland and Edwards will be at tech3
 
Fiat Yamaha: Rossi, Edwards, Michelin

Fortuna Tech 3: Lorenzo, Toseland, Bridgestone AND Michelin!!
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A two tyre team is a real possibility (remember Tamada and Biaggi at Pons).

Rossi will insist on keeping Edwards with him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Austin @ Aug 1 2007, 04:57 AM) [snapback]82458[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>This is a two way street here but I don't think you'll find two teammates who share more information than Edwards and Rossi. If Rossi is off the pace he can talk with the other side of the garage and see what solutions they have come up with and Valentino and JB can apply what they have learned and improve.I think the factory sees Colin as a support rider for Rossi. During the early FP sessions at Laguna, he spent lots of time towing Rossi around the track, playing with the lines. It was pretty obvious they were attempting to set Vale up for a better result than he'd achieved at the two prior USGP races.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RLMEsq @ Aug 5 2007, 07:08 PM) [snapback]83320[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think the factory sees Colin as a support rider for Rossi. During the early FP sessions at Laguna, he spent lots of time towing Rossi around the track, playing with the lines. It was pretty obvious they were attempting to set Vale up for a better result than he'd achieved at the two prior USGP races.

and what a first class support rider he has been to vale
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reel Nauti @ Aug 1 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]82466[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can confirm the theory that Colin doesn't always get the parts Rossi does. After the race in Portugal last year when Colin was clearly faster than Rossi for most of the race, I pointed out on the CE forum that he must have finally been given the good stuff. Colin's dad chimed in and said that had been the case all of last season and Yamaha finally gave him the good bits so that he could keep up and block for Rossi. A role he executed superbly I may add.

What I find odd is why Yamaha and others continue to do these things. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow them to race for the first half of the season on identical equipment and then support whoever is ahead after the summer break say? (It would still be Rossi anyway but Yamaha would be in a much stronger position for the Manuf. Chamionship).


I don't think it's that odd.
- They don't want to risk both to do bad in case the new parts doesn't work.
- They want the one they trust the most for true feedback to use the new part.
- They want the best to get any upgrades ASAP to stay competetive.
- Production capasity. These are one off parts, not mass produced.
- Lots of stuff are tested by the first rider but make no difference what so ever, and while he might even be back on the old parts again it leaves an impression at the second rider that the first rider have all these upgrades that I dont have, thats why he is so much faster. It's just how a racers mind work.

All that said, of course there are times when the first rider/factory team are on petter parts than the rest. Hondas resent upgrades clearly show that. But when it is an obvious advantage it didn't take Honda that long to make upgrades, first for Hayden, then Melandri.
 
I would agree with you if the parts were true production parts, but they aren't. It doesn't take much longer once you are tooled up to make 2 or 3 or 4 parts than it does to make one. It is actually quicker in the long run to make 6 or 12 parts at once than to make 1 part, then 2 parts then 4 parts.....Too much setup time in between.

I think the factories should give all their respective teams the parts and let the teams/riders decide if they want them or not. This is the exact reason why Michael Jordan will not publicly endorse the AMA Series....too many back door dealings with the factory. He wants to be the one to decide if a part is too expensive for him to buy or not.....Not Suzuki.

Lets get the racing back to the best riders....not the riders on the bikes that the factory throws the most money at.....
 
Colin definitely doesn't get the parts Valentino does.... and I don't think he's supposed to. Edwards is Rossi's development rider. Rossi and Edwards are friends. Rossi wins the races with the parts Edwards develops, Rossi keeps Edwards supplied with nice paychecks so he can keep his lady and his babies happy.

I think Yamaha will take a look at the Honda situation and keep Lorenzo on a satellite team for a season. Stoner was on a satellite team now he's fast tracked to a world title. Pedrosa went straight to the factory team, then they built him a bike (probably without his input but they built him a bike) and the result has been unmitigated political disaster.

I can only see Yamaha booting Edwards for several reasons. 1) Rossi is paid hansomely and isn't winning so they won't listen to him 2) Yamaha boots Edwards for 2008 because the bike he is developing won't help Lorenzo in 2009 3) Yamaha boot Edwards b/c the bike he is developing won't help Rossi in 2009 if he retires or goes to Suzu to try to win for 3 different manufacturers.

Why is everyone down on Colin though. Sure it gets annoying to watch him snag pole then lose 5-10 positions but the Yamaha aint that hot this season and he's within striking distance of the three people ahead of him. If he puts together a few decent results he should be able to move up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(machmanzx10r @ Aug 6 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]83382[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I would agree with you if the parts were true production parts, but they aren't. It doesn't take much longer once you are tooled up to make 2 or 3 or 4 parts than it does to make one. It is actually quicker in the long run to make 6 or 12 parts at once than to make 1 part, then 2 parts then 4 parts.....Too much setup time in between.

I think the factories should give all their respective teams the parts and let the teams/riders decide if they want them or not. This is the exact reason why Michael Jordan will not publicly endorse the AMA Series....too many back door dealings with the factory. He wants to be the one to decide if a part is too expensive for him to buy or not.....Not Suzuki.

Lets get the racing back to the best riders....not the riders on the bikes that the factory throws the most money at.....


Production capasity is not one of the stronger points, I agree. But consider this: Whay handmake 6 frames (what amount of work is that, a week?), only to find out they dont work. It's just not good use of resorces.
Test it then hand them out as they are buildt. It's not just about the production. With major parts there are also a learning curve, both for mechanics and team/rider. Again, passing parts out to 4 - 6 riders might be very resource demanding.

Let's get back to when? Exactly when were the equipent not a major issue in MotoGp? Not in the modern aera, and not in the past if I've heard right.

I belive that the way it works now is the way it has worked in a very long time, and I think the reason is that all the teams find that the best way to do it.
 
The Honda was built for Pedrosa....There is no denying that. Once Honda starting listening to what Hayden was asking for, the bike started to get better. I really wish Hayden would have left Honda and gone elsewhere.....Lets just hope he makes the right decision when this contract is up.....
 

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