Colin Edwards.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Sep 6 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure he hasn't had the most spectacular career to date, to say he has done nothing is delusional (snip)

Don't waste your bandwith on these dullards. They won't understand.

Why are there so many people who think that the field can be filled with Rossis, Stoners and apparently Nakanos? Edwards has a couple top five season finishes which is quite impressive, but what is more impressive is his development work. Rossi and JB get all the credit for the M1 project, and no doubt they did a ton of work to make that bike what it is. But CE did a fair amount to keep Rossi from having to do it all. His knowledge of development and relationship with Michelin is rather important to team bosses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Sep 5 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats f-ing weird, SuperSuck and I about said the same thing. Time for another beer.

Spencer is ....... sitting day after day for hours at a time with that adenoidal, pulsating ....... Ralph Shaheen or whatever the .... his name is. If they could get rid of that ignorant .... spouting the same banal, obvious .... over and over again, getting all excited over absolutely nothing - mayhaps Freddie could come to life. But it has to be deadly torture being trapped there with that ignorant ....... Have you noticed how depressed Spencer always looks when they show the two of them together. Torture dulls the mind. Or maybe it's a case of Spencer taking too many tranks so as to keep him from strangling the stoopid out his fellow commentator. Get rid of the jerk-off and he might light up. Then again, since Spencer's a born again Christian . . . sooo mmmaybe not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 6 2008, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....is going to make a fantatic Moto GP commentator when he retires.
I would think so yes.
He would also be a great testrider.I would bet Yamaha would like to keep him if he agreed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bojuhl @ Sep 5 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There are alot of people on this forum , including you, who obviously don't know much about high level racing.

You shittin' me if you think Colins got a chance on becoming a MotoGP champion. Take it easy on the ganja my man, cuz you're smoking yourself stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 6 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why are there so many people who think that the field can be filled with Rossis, Stoners and apparently Nakanos? Edwards has a couple top five season finishes which is quite impressive, but what is more impressive is his development work. Rossi and JB get all the credit for the M1 project, and no doubt they did a ton of work to make that bike what it is. But CE did a fair amount to keep Rossi from having to do it all. His knowledge of development and relationship with Michelin is rather important to team bosses.

Yeah, we clearly see how Rossi has dug himself into deep .... now that he is without Edwards help

No, seriously I'm sure he had valuable input but I react to the description of edwards as the work mule that did all the testing and hard work for Rossi as we sometimes see here on the forum. Just like Hayden they both do their stuff mainly for themselves not for their team mate. Both have very different riding style from their (ex)team mate and Edwards especially, couldn't even ride on the same tires, not to mention test them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 6 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, we clearly see how Rossi has dug himself into deep .... now that he is without Edwards help

No, seriously I'm sure he had valuable input but I react to the description of edwards as the work mule that did all the testing and hard work for Rossi as we sometimes see here on the forum. Just like Hayden they both do their stuff mainly for themselves not for their team mate. Both have very different riding style from their (ex)team mate and Edwards especially, couldn't even ride on the same tires, not to mention test them.
Your right they gave Pedro an undeveloped pneumatic ride Oh wait, Okada developed it But it wasn't until after Hayden put time in did Okada say that it was ready. Coincidence, not likely.

On the other hand, Edwards was never given the same .... as Rossi. We all know the score there on that one. Edwards was alwasys in Rossi's shadow.

MOTOGP Championship contender no, I just want to see his sorry ... on that top step just once.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bojuhl @ Sep 6 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't waste your bandwith on these dullards. They won't understand.

Pass the dutchie to de left hand side bojuhl...maybe then I'll understand. By the way Edwards fancies his chances at Indy "If things go right, then there´s every bit a possibility of winning the race" here's the full article on motogp

Obviously Edwards has been smoking bojuhl's stash...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 6 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You shittin' me if you think Colins got a chance on becoming a MotoGP champion. Take it easy on the ganja my man, cuz you're smoking yourself stupid.
How many riders on grid do you honestly think can win a championship? Because what you're saying is that if you don't have a shot at a title, then get off the grid. At least that's my interpretation. So you're happy with a grid of less than 10?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 6 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, we clearly see how Rossi has dug himself into deep .... now that he is without Edwards help

No, seriously I'm sure he had valuable input but I react to the description of edwards as the work mule that did all the testing and hard work for Rossi as we sometimes see here on the forum. Just like Hayden they both do their stuff mainly for themselves not for their team mate. Both have very different riding style from their (ex)team mate and Edwards especially, couldn't even ride on the same tires, not to mention test them.
I'm not saying Rossi would be nowhere without Edwards but you must see that having a competent teammate makes life easier. Not only can he handle some of the responsibilities, but they can bounce ideas off one another. And in every interview I've read with Rossi where they mention Edwards' input to the team he says the same. He also says it works because Rossi and Edwards have a very similar riding style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Sep 7 2008, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pass the dutchie to de left hand side bojuhl...maybe then I'll understand. By the way Edwards fancies his chances at Indy "If things go right, then there´s every bit a possibility of winning the race" here's the full article on motogp

Obviously Edwards has been smoking bojuhl's stash...
What arrogance, what kind of a rider would dare to think he has a chance to win!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 7 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying Rossi would be nowhere without Edwards but you must see that having a competent teammate makes life easier. Not only can he handle some of the responsibilities, but they can bounce ideas off one another. And in every interview I've read with Rossi where they mention Edwards' input to the team he says the same. He also says it works because Rossi and Edwards have a very similar riding style.
Absoulutly. Cooperating team mates are A Good Thing, I wouldn't deny that and as you said they both complemented each other. I was just having a dig at all those that clamed Edwards did all the hard work, and allthough they have similar riding style they prefer their tires quite defferently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 6 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You shittin' me if you think Colins got a chance on becoming a MotoGP champion. Take it easy on the ganja my man, cuz you're smoking yourself stupid.
Colin is way better than Shinya and has a championship to proove it. How many real championships does nakano have eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Sep 6 2008, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1
+2
Hes shown speed with every ride hes had but never translated it when it really matters(remember the insanely quick race sims he did at phillip island preseason with the rc211v)Looks like he got his .... together this season then the bloody french come over all stereotypical cause of the stiff competition and just give up lol

It appears that most of Colin's team mates have enjoyed having him around and it appears that from what teams say, Colin's rep as a development rider is up there with the best. He ain't ever gonna win the title, but he has stuck around on the grid for long enough and you don't do that unless you got some skills.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Sep 7 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It appears that most of Colin's team mates have enjoyed having him around and it appears that from what teams say, Colin's rep as a development rider is up there with the best. He ain't ever gonna win the title, but he has stuck around on the grid for long enough and you don't do that unless you got some skills.
exactly right, its called team work. some riders are there to develop rather than win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 7 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>exactly right, its called team work. some riders are there to develop rather than win.

If that's the case then he should be relagated to testing instead of racing. Teams want championship calibre riders on the grid who they know can win races, not one who parade around the circuit collecting data.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 7 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If that's the case then he should be relagated to testing instead of racing. Teams want championship calibre riders on the grid who they know can win races, not one who parade around the circuit collecting data.


You should start a team. With your insight you would no doubt have a championship with the first season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 6 2008, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why are there so many people who think that the field can be filled with Rossis, Stoners and apparently Nakanos?
Snap! well done Austy.


And BTW, you make a great point in the rest of your post. If ever there was a copilot championship award for support, he might get the first trophy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Sep 6 2008, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spencer is ....... sitting day after day for hours at a time with that adenoidal, pulsating ....... Ralph Shaheen or whatever the .... his name is. If they could get rid of that ignorant .... spouting the same banal, obvious .... over and over again, getting all excited over absolutely nothing - mayhaps Freddie could come to life.
Dude, Shaheen is not nowhere nearly as bad as Satan's abandoned son Greg Retardo White.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 7 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If that's the case then he should be relagated to testing instead of racing. Teams want championship calibre riders on the grid who they know can win races, not one who parade around the circuit collecting data.

I am certain all teams want championship calibre riders, that goes without saying. It would be great to see 18 riders all fighting for the title week in and week out, but that just aint realistic.

Teams do want championship calibre riders, but they also have budgets to work to. In certain instances, teams do get two riders who may be able to challenge for the title. Rossi and Lorenzo may be an example. In this case, Lorenzo has got the ability, but also has decent equipment.

What would have happened if when Lorenzo left the 250cc class as champ, the only ride he could have got was on a kawasaki...He was obviously the most qualified rider to be promoted to the big class, but would he be challenging up the sharp end ? Probably not.

Are we then saying that Lorenzo would not be worth having on the grid because he was pushing his hardest, but could only manage 13th. He would effectively be parading around collecting data.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 7 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If that's the case then he should be relagated to testing instead of racing. Teams want championship calibre riders on the grid who they know can win races, not one who parade around the circuit collecting data.
there are different levels of testing, you could say that once it has motogp rider on the bike racing it , that the final development stage.