Classic 250GP Suggestions

ratdeal · Aug 28, 2019

Stumbled upon a few old school 250cc race videos that were awesome.

The 250cc series was a bit before my time and I had no idea they were such brutal, lightweight machines. Seems to me it was almost considered a parallel championship to the 500s as opposed to the feeder class Moto2 is today.

Any classic race suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Muchos gracias!

Keshav · Aug 28, 2019

While the 500cc two-strokes were considered the "premiere" class (then called Formula One) The Formula Two class had a rabid following and was IMHO - viewed as having very nearly equal prestige. And the field could be (if you can believe it) even bigger than the current Moto 2 line up, with sometimes more than 50 entrants. If you look at the names of the records of participants in the '80s it reads like a veritible hall of fame roster, with names like Freddie Spencer, Wayne Rainey, Angel Nieto, Christian Sarron, Loris Reggiani, Sito Pons, Carlos Lavado, Tony Mang etc. Can't recall any 250 races that were boring.

When I club raced just racing a beat up 5 year-old TZ 250 made you feel just a little like you were part of something very elite.

Gaz · Aug 28, 2019

May be worth checking for some of the old 350cc videos as well.

In days of yore we actually had 50cc, 80cc, 125cc, 250cc, 350cc and 500cc all on the same weekend.

Was a two smoke lovers idea of nirvana

320Dave · Aug 29, 2019

Go back and watch Dani, Stoner and Lorenzo duke it out during all 2005.

you will NOT regret.

ratdeal · Aug 29, 2019

Season pass will get a good work out!

Keshav · Aug 29, 2019

Don't know about you but when I try to watch those 250 races the images are so low-rez that I can't tell one bike from the next.
You can however find some of them on Youtube and ffs - the resolution (for free) is MUCH better.

AJV80 · Aug 29, 2019

Keshav said:
Don't know about you but when I try to watch those 250 races the images are so low-rez that I can't tell one bike from the next.
You can however find some of them on Youtube and ffs - the resolution (for free) is MUCH better.

Yeah, the older Videopass races look like they where filmed using a potato.

ratdeal · Aug 29, 2019

Haha so true. Anything pre 2000 must have been archived on VHS, with wobbly audio and fuzzy borders. It's difficult to even remember how bad analogue programming was, after all the digital switchover was at the turn of the century. I remember walking into a Sony showroom when HD had just become the new standard and they had a sport highlight real on. My mind was blown.

Now 1080p is considered peasant grade despite the fact 4k programming is incredibly limited.

320Dave · Aug 30, 2019

ratdeal said:
Haha so true. Anything pre 2000 must have been archived on VHS, with wobbly audio and fuzzy borders. It's difficult to even remember how bad analogue programming was, after all the digital switchover was at the turn of the century. I remember walking into a Sony showroom when HD had just become the new standard and they had a sport highlight real on. My mind was blown.

Now 1080p is considered peasant grade despite the fact 4k programming is incredibly limited.

Kinda mind blowing how now a movie in 720p Sometimes streamed movies are still 720) looks like abosulute garbage and yeah, 1080 is barely middle class.

I remember when My mom installed her first modern TV in her house around 2010 or 12. I saw that suzuki in HD I almost wet my pants.

I couldn't afford one at that point....Neither i can now though

ratdeal · Aug 30, 2019

320Dave said:
Go back and watch Dani, Stoner and Lorenzo duke it out during all 2005.

you will NOT regret.

Race one was a Pedrosa exhibition. Race two however was a barnstormer in Estoril! Stoner looked so comfortable on what was a non full fat factory spec Aprilia if I am not mistaken? Brilliant race management by the Australian. So interesting to see how much they developed as riders later in their careers using this class as a barometer. Surprised to see De Puniet was such a force on the light weight machines too!

I'd be kicking myself for not watching the junior classes if it were not for my relative youth (17 years at the time and only 1 year into the sport interest wise) and the fact that the BBC only televised the premier class.

Segfault · Aug 31, 2019

There is just one drawback when you consider analogue vs. digital. Latter is not "live" any more. While analogue signal came thru all carriers and equipment with the speed of light this is not the case with digital. Every time the signal is buffered several seconds of delay are added, this is inevitable. In other words, if you had some miracle binoculars and you were watching a race 2000 km away using these you would see the same as analogue TV transmission would have shown. With digital TV you would see something that happened 10 or more seconds before. Your favorite rider may have crashed in real life already when you still see him on the bike with your digital TV transmission.

Mrpurple · Sep 1, 2019

I miss 2-strokes so much, they just seem to be pure racing bikes compared to what we have now.

Aoyama vs Simo in the last 250 2-stroke race at Indy...fond memories. I'd watch that season if you can.

320Dave · Sep 10, 2019

ratdeal said:
Race one was a Pedrosa exhibition. Race two however was a barnstormer in Estoril! Stoner looked so comfortable on what was a non full fat factory spec Aprilia if I am not mistaken? Brilliant race management by the Australian. So interesting to see how much they developed as riders later in their careers using this class as a barometer. Surprised to see De Puniet was such a force on the light weight machines too!

I'd be kicking myself for not watching the junior classes if it were not for my relative youth (17 years at the time and only 1 year into the sport interest wise) and the fact that the BBC only televised the premier class.

The whole season was great and whilst people think Pedro walked away with it easy he didn't

stoner put up a fight on that inferior machinery.

Lorenzo also plays some funny parts as well later on in the season.

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