Casey Stoner

Yeah, i agree with you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Briatore is a ......

Why ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2. This in not true, he maintained maximum respect for Hayden last year, acknowledged being beaten and congratulated the new champion, and i also remember his congratulation to Elias after Portugal.
Hayden didn't beat him. Rossi beated himself. Rossi knows Hayden is very inferior compared to him. I m ean, Hayden won because Rossi fell so many times. He didn't really beat Rossi on merit, and Rossi knows that. But Biaggi, Sete and Pedrosa are more or less at his level (though Rossi is better), and that is when you get problems with him. If Stoners keeps up the good work, I am sure for 100 % he will have serious problems with Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden didn't beat him. Rossi beated himself. Rossi knows Hayden is very inferior compared to him. I m ean, Hayden won because Rossi fell so many times. He didn't really beat Rossi on merit, and Rossi knows that.

uh-oh... here we go again..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really don't understand it, do you ? I don't think Elias is some kind of superhero. I like the way he drives his bike. It is spectacular. In the same way, I like Rossis way of driving. Rossi is a hell of a driver. But I hate Rossis personality. There have been several incidents which made me hate him.

His fighting with Biaggi and the mindgames he played with him.
His hyprocitical behaviour towards Gibernau. I mean, he was cheating in some race to have a faster start. Gibernau reported this to the motogp leaders and Rossi got a grid punishment. But the worst of all was that instead of saying he was guilty and to promise to never repeat such low behaviour, he got angry with Gibernau and started to insult him and mock him. He even wiped the floor in front of Sete when he won that race. This is the world the other way around. The cheater shouldn't get punished but the one reporting the cheating is the bad guy.
Some of his overtaking manouevers in the past, especially against Sete and Pedrosa.
He insulted Pedrosa of being a child and says he is fast because of his length.
He insulted Elias because of his overtaking. But first of all, in the same race, he overtook Hopkins in an ever worse way. Did you saw how he passed Hopkins ? It makes Elias pass look like a girl overtaking. I saw the move again this weekend and I really wonder how Rossi has the minor guts to blame Elias after he made a 10 times worse move IN THE SAME RACE. Secondly, he was superbly agressive last year against Pedrosa and when Pedrosa complained he said motogp was a men sports. But when Elias makes a hard pass to him, suddenly he is a nutscase ? Wasn't motogp for men ?
When he doesn't win a race, it is always because of the others having a bike advantage. It has always been like that with him. Now, it is Stoners turn. Why just not say that Stoner did a better job than him ? Why not say Elias passed him fair and square in Turkey ? It is not because he has 7 world titles, that he can never be beaten in a fair way. He even said that he thought he was invincible. Incredible.
Last year he tested in formula 1 a Ferrari and the only thing he did was breaking down formula 1. He was just saying formula 1 wasn't so hard and so on and so on. He was just showing no respect at all to all the people in F1 and had fights with Briatore and Alonso.

I can go on and on with this guy. The problem just is he is superbly arrogant, has no respect for his rivals, you turn into his enemy once you beat him, he has no respects for the whole formula 1, he is a big cheater and when he gets caught he blames everyone except himself, ... The sooner this guy gets out of motogp, the better. This guy doesn't even know the meaning of education.

And don't tell me to have respect for a guy who only respects himself. Yes, he smiles a lot to the camera. But what you see is his second face. His first face is revealed when he loses or when he is in serious competition with someone else.

And for those talking about Stoners bike advantage, I would suggest to read the following article:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58584

Edwards: "I genuinely believe that our bike is the best on the grid and I've never felt happier with it, but unfortunately the package as a whole isn't working for me at the moment and we need to understand why."
wow to have hatred feelings as strong as yours yopu must no him personaly,or read a lot into media stuff ect.
i dont HATE anybody let alone a motogp racer,mabe you should follow another sport before you get yourself a heart attack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Pedrosa just wanted to be taken seriously, and actually after the media tried to make trouble between these two, Rossi made it publicly clear that he doesn't want any trouble with Dani and that he did not mean any harm by his comment (which the media tried to use against him).
damn right tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ May 9 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>uh-oh... here we go again..

Don't worry, I'm done with people who chose to ignore the basic principles of racing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why ?

Because he slags off his own drivers to the press. If thats not poor team management i don't know what it. A racers mental state is the most important thing they have, and robbing them of self confidence and piling on unneeded pressure is not gonna do them any favors.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about the fights with Biaggi - didn't Biaggi also provoke him (rossi)? and the media made it all big. plus, biaggi did fight back. it's male testosterone. (sorry guys)
Don't remember who started but anyway they ended up fighting. Other drivers in the field, never started a fight. So there must be something with Rossi that distinguishes him with the rest. (Education)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about the mind games - don't all these drivers play mind games to try to psych out the competitions.

With exception of Rossi, I don't know any other driver playing mind games


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about not reacting to Sete's complaint - again, psych out.
If you don't have arguments against something, just keep it quiet, ok ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about overtaking maneuvers and complaining - i think you kinda contradicted yourself with the sete case and the perdrosa and elias case
I don't contradict myself. But if you would have clarified yourself a little bit more, than maybe I could show you there is no contradiction at all. But I guess you didn't clarify because there is no contradiction and you just didn't know what to say, so you just claimed nonsense.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about pedrosa the "kid" - why would anybody get insulted when you're called a child? "
Did you lost a screw or something ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about f1 - whadaya mean insult f1/ he enjoyed every minute of driving the Ferrari. plus if you've read his book, i think it's the other way around. he kinda insulted himself... and quote (while driving the f1 car and planning what to do at the curve) 'This car is faster than my brain!"

I thought I explained well what Rossi said about F1. Maybe you have problems with your eyes or you are dislectic, I don't know.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Pedrosa just wanted to be taken seriously, and actually after the media tried to make trouble between these two, Rossi made it publicly clear that he doesn't want any trouble with Dani and that he did not mean any harm by his comment (which the media tried to use against him).
Well, suppose I call you a sheep in the press. And afterwards I say: "I don't wanted to start a fight with you. I called you a sheep but it wasn't meant badly. I love sheeps. " Of course, this would be a very credible story, wouldn't it. Does Rossi thinks people are stupid or something ? Again he is showing disrespect to the world by making such a comment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't worry, I'm done with people who chose to ignore the basic principles of racing

ok, thanks. but we're not yet safe with jumkie.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Don't remember who started but anyway they ended up fighting. Other drivers in the field, never started a fight. So there must be something with Rossi that distinguishes him with the rest. (Education)

2. With exception of Rossi, I don't know any other driver playing mind games

1. you just said you didn't know who started the fight. Then you go on and point out again that there must be something that distinguishes rossi fromthe rest because it is implied that he started the fight. So basically, you just lost me.

2. If YOU don't know any other riders playing mind games, does it follow that there are no other riders playing mind games?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, suppose I call you a sheep in the press. And afterwards I say: "I don't wanted to start a fight with you. I called you a sheep but it wasn't meant badly. I love sheeps. " Of course, this would be a very credible story, wouldn't it. Does Rossi thinks people are stupid or something ? Again he is showing disrespect to the world by making such a comment.

From what i understand of the situation, Rossi made the "kid" comment referring to Pedrosas physical size. The media got hold of it and tried to make something. Pedrosa got the idea from this that Rossi was not taking him seriously as a rider because he is young and new to motogp. Then Rossi made an effort to ensure that the media were not able to make an uncomfortable battle between them. I find that quite admirable and sporting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ May 9 2007, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. you just said you didn't know who started the fight. Then you go on and point out again that there must be something that distinguishes rossi fromthe rest because it is implied that he started the fight. So basically, you just lost me.

2. If YOU don't know any other riders playing mind games, does it follow that there are no other riders playing mind games?
my thoughts exactly jane,
please explane tonyelias why you use reasons for hate then in a following post state you dont no what your talking about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From what i understand of the situation, Rossi made the "kid" comment referring to Pedrosas physical size. The media got hold of it and tried to make something. Pedrosa got the idea from this that Rossi was not taking him seriously as a rider because he is young and new to motogp. Then Rossi made an effort to ensure that the media were not able to make an uncomfortable battle between them. I find that quite admirable and sporting.
im glad you are with me tom,in understanding that the media like to .... stir,
this tontelias poster here comes accross as a person who has read a lot about races asnd the so called mind games rather than watch the seasons, just my oppinion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't remember who started but anyway they ended up fighting. Other drivers in the field, never started a fight. So there must be something with Rossi that distinguishes him with the rest. (Education)
With exception of Rossi, I don't know any other driver playing mind games
If you don't have arguments against something, just keep it quiet, ok ?
I don't contradict myself. But if you would have clarified yourself a little bit more, than maybe I could show you there is no contradiction at all. But I guess you didn't clarify because there is no contradiction and you just didn't know what to say, so you just claimed nonsense.
Did you lost a screw or something ?
I thought I explained well what Rossi said about F1. Maybe you have problems with your eyes or you are dislectic, I don't know.
Well, suppose I call you a sheep in the press. And afterwards I say: "I don't wanted to start a fight with you. I called you a sheep but it wasn't meant badly. I love sheeps. " Of course, this would be a very credible story, wouldn't it. Does Rossi thinks people are stupid or something ? Again he is showing disrespect to the world by making such a comment.

first of all, im not dislectic nor dyslexic. and yes, i read your post very thoroughly about the f1. and i'm saying he didn't insult f1. he said it wasn't for him but he didn't insult it/ or the people there. in fact he had great respect for what they did.

and the Biaggi bit? Biaggi also fought with rossi. and so what if he plays mind games? it's strategy. i can't think of any motogp riders who played mind games right now but a lot of other drivers from other motosports do. (piquet, hakkinen, schumi...). and rossi is the only smart enought to adapt it. besides, it's up to the other guy he's psyching out if he lets rossi get to him or not.

Didn't a lot of mind games fly around in the days of Rainey, Schwantz and Kocinski?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't a lot of mind games fly around in the days of Rainey, Schwantz and Kocinski?
bloody right they did.
your going to get this in all competitive sports,the more money involved the worse it gets, look at boxing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 10 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't a lot of mind games fly around in the days of Rainey, Schwantz and Kocinski?

yep, there was. thanks tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 9 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From what i understand of the situation, Rossi made the "kid" comment referring to Pedrosas physical size. The media got hold of it and tried to make something. Pedrosa got the idea from this that Rossi was not taking him seriously as a rider because he is young and new to motogp. Then Rossi made an effort to ensure that the media were not able to make an uncomfortable battle between them. I find that quite admirable and sporting.
Rossi literally called him a kid. I don't know how things are going in your planet but on my planet calling a 20 years old a kid, even if he is little, it is an insult. I am 100 % sure that if you call Rossi gay because he is always playing with his ... and putting his string in the right position, he would consider that as an insult himself, even if you afterwards say that you didn't mean to start a fight. You know that yourselfs too. You are just making circles and twisting just to make Rossi get away with it, but deep inside you know that was a statement he shouldn't have made.

It's like going to a Stoner and say "he has the same ears like dumbo". And afterwards claim that you didn't want to start a fight but you made that claim because his ears make you think about an elephant. That is clearly an insult and if you don't understand that, I stop this conversation right now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>first of all, im not dislectic nor dyslexic. and yes, i read your post very thoroughly about the f1. and i'm saying he didn't insult f1. he said it wasn't for him but he didn't insult it/ or the people there. in fact he had great respect for what they did.
So you are a big liar, because he DID insult F1 and thats why Alonso responded that with training he could easily be top 5 in motogp and because of the same reason Briatore made comments towards Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and the Biaggi bit? Biaggi also fought with rossi. and so what if he plays mind games? it's strategy. i can't think of any motogp riders who played mind games right now but a lot of other drivers from other motosports do. (piquet, hakkinen, schumi...). and rossi is the only smart enought to adapt it. besides, it's up to the other guy he's psyching out if he lets rossi get to him or not.

Yes, Biaggi fought too, which says something about Biaggi too. If Rossi would have whiped the floor in front of Biaggi to make him ridiculuous or the other way around, both would have started a fight. But when Rossi did that to Sete, the guy did nothing, though he could have easily make sure that Rossi would have ended in the hospital with his amount of muscles. But he didn't. That's why Sete is educated and gets my respect, and why Rossi is a morron and I hate him.

In the current motogp field NOBODY, with exception from Rossi, plays mind games.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 9 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi literally called him a kid. I don't know how things are going in your planet but on my planet calling a 20 years old a kid, even if he is little, it is an insult.

Hold on a minute there. Telling someone he/she is a kid doesn't necessarily translate to an insult. Depends on the context. I call people kid, kiddo, and I haven't had a problem with that because it's all in the context. And from what I saw, it was an acceptable context. And don't give the "you're a rossi fan" blah blah, coz I'm not a worshipper. I get angry with him if I have to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 9 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my thoughts exactly jane,
please explane tonyelias why you use reasons for hate then in a following post state you dont no what your talking about.
I just gave you my reason


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ May 9 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hold on a minute there. Telling someone he/she is a kid doesn't necessarily translate to an insult. Depends on the context. I call people kid, kiddo, and I haven't had a problem with that because it's all in the context. And from what I saw, it was an acceptable context. And don't give the "you're a rossi fan" blah blah, coz I'm not a worshipper. I get angry with him if I have to.
He said he has the stature of a kid. I think it's quit a bad context. I would feel insulted immediately.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 10 2007, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi literally called him a kid. I don't know how things are going in your planet but on my planet calling a 20 years old a kid, even if he is little, it is an insult. I am 100 % sure that if you call Rossi gay because he is always playing with his ... and putting his string in the right position, he would consider that as an insult himself, even if you afterwards say that you didn't mean to start a fight. You know that yourselfs too. You are just making circles and twisting just to make Rossi get away with it, but deep inside you know that was a statement he shouldn't have made.

It's like going to a Stoner and say "he has the same ears like dumbo". And afterwards claim that you didn't want to start a fight but you made that claim because his ears make you think about an elephant. That is clearly an insult and if you don't understand that, I stop this conversation right now.
So you are a big liar, because he DID insult F1 and thats why Alonso responded that with training he could easily be top 5 in motogp and because of the same reason Briatore made comments towards Rossi.
Yes, Biaggi fought too, which says something about Biaggi too. If Rossi would have whiped the floor in front of Biaggi to make him ridiculuous or the other way around, both would have started a fight. But when Rossi did that to Sete, the guy did nothing, though he could have easily make sure that Rossi would have ended in the hospital with his amount of muscles. But he didn't. That's why Sete is educated and gets my respect, and why Rossi is a morron and I hate him.

In the current motogp field NOBODY, with exception from Rossi, plays mind games.

so why take it against him if he's the only one playing mind games? and so what if sete did nothing? what makes you think sete wasn't playing mind games (or at least trying to) with rossi? not saying anything does not automatically mean one is educated, it could be that he really had nothing to say. in turn, saying something/doing something does not automatically make one uneducated.

p.s when did he insult f1? because he said it wasn't for him? how does saying that be insulting?

let's analyze: i tried math. im not good in math. math is not for me. does that mean that i'm insulting the people who love math?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ May 10 2007, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just gave you my reason
He said he has the stature of a kid. I think it's quit a bad context. I would feel insulted immediately.

when you're secure about what you have, you won't get insulted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so why take it against him if he's the only one playing mind games? and so what if sete did nothing? what makes you think sete wasn't playing mind games (or at least trying to) with rossi? not saying anything does not automatically mean one is educated, it could be that he really had nothing to say. in turn, saying something/doing something does not automatically make one uneducated.
Well, it depends on the mind games though. Saying eg. that someone can't beat you because you own him and he has no talent, is a dirty thing to say and is indeed an example of no education (and he did say this on Italian tv about Biagi --> you can see this on youtube). Calling Schumacher poor old Michael is also a dirty mind game and is a reflection of having bad education.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>p.s when did he insult f1? because he said it wasn't for him? how does saying that be insulting?

Maybe he said this but that is indeed no insult. But he said other things also which I already said and I am not going to repeat. Just google on the internet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>when you're secure about what you have, you won't get insulted.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vtinoimik @ May 9 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>let's analyze: i tried math. im not good in math. math is not for me. does that mean that i'm insulting the people who love math?
when you're secure about what you have, you won't get insulted.
It doesn't matter if Pedrosa was insulted or not, or if he is secured or not. You just don't make such kind of statements.