Casey Stoner Rumors, Still sick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 13 2009, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is actually what I thought, that prune face casey was done with Ducati. So if thats the case I was right otherwise, looks like the real wise one chopper was right. Regardless cs fans were WRONG.

Whats this about his training regime? You at least got to give that to me.
I don't think anyone disagreed that he might not be training appropriately. It would seem ducati at least don't agree with his training regime, whether they consider him to be doing too much training or not enough is not as far as I can discern addressed by this brief article.

I thought your point about him perhaps being tired of having to wring the neck of the "'rodeo bike" was valid, as was roger's that ducati might eventually lose patience whatever the aetiology of his health problems. It is all speculative at this time, maybe he is trying to switch to hrc for all we know , although I would have thought he may have burned a few bridges with his comments in 2007 about his 2006 lcr ride; however I don't recall him being critical of honda whilst under contract to them unlike some (notably max), or indeed of ducati.

It is interesting that some are 'alluding' to the fact that the attitude of CS may be contributing in some way to the possibility of a split.

It is not that long ago that VR said the reason he would not go to Ducati (paraphrasing) was that they treated their riders much the same a Honda who believed that the engineers knew best and that the rider was secondary.

I found this on another forum and feel it is extremely well put within the context of this rumour (bare in mind it was posted as a reply so I have cut the pertinent bits - and is Oscar is here - well put)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Of course, what he's reporting is the existence of a rumour, which is not the same as alledging proof of a fact. However, that this rumour exists (and I'll bet it does..) says quite a lot about the perception of those in the industry of Ducati's attitude towards riders, confirming Rossi's comments of several years ago that, like Honda, they consider riders to be less important than the engineering. I still consider they treated Capirex badly in dropping him, since history shows he was far closer to Stoner than any subsequent Duc rider has consistently achieved, but perhaps at that time they could be slightly excused because the disparity between what Stoner could manage with the bike (which was what they had expected of it) and what anybody else could do wasn't known.

Flash forward: Ducati are seriously embarrassed by the fact that, Stoner excepted, nobody can reliably get one into the top 10. They might well be annoyed that there is a possibility Stoner's 'training regime' assisted the development of the situation he's now in (and that might well be a consideration, many of us here including me have felt he carries too little spare 'condition' as it is known for racehorses, for instance) but a momunental Latin dummy-spit that can do nowt but consign them to scrapping with Suzuki in the Class B division of the field for the rest of the year? I guess anything is possible, but that would make the Donington tyre decision seem like merely spilling your glass of beer vs. putting an axe through a full barrel...


I have held a suspicion and have my thoughts as to the issues confronted by CS in terms of Ducati and whilst the above post is not my thoughts, I do say that I have similar thoughts in my head (along with a combination of Mdubs relating to the CS and Ducati).





Garry

If he was infected with severe virus, I think he had been hospitalized. When my brother got infected with rare virus when he lived in Central America, he was hospitalized for more than one month. His mysterious illness might be triggered by virus, but the doctor sill has not pinpointed the name of the illness yet. Even if he rests for two months, can he be fully recovered? It is like another gamble. He feels fine until toward the end of the race, so it is not like he is too ill to race. If you are a rider, you want to go back to racing? He recently has not looked like enjoying racing. When he gets interviewed, he always looks down and he hardly interacts with fans. It is puzzling.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 12 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to my Mexican buddies but Jalepenos are a death sentence to my digestive system I would be sick for about 3 days after consuming anything that has to do with the pepper, sorry to say that too cause I love the little devils.

Ya’ should try ‘Habaneros’ mate! Or ‘Chile de Árbol’! Now those are hot suckers! Not ‘Jalapeños’ man, those are like saying ketchup is spicy!

Anyway, not that I eat too much hot sauces, but they make food tasty…

Into Topic, this 'Silly Season' is getting ridiculous ‘Drama Queen Crap’, Dorna’s new approach is going to be a Reality Show… There goes MotoGP to wast again!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 13 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as anyone having a breakdown - kid . . . you flatter yourself.

Secondly . . . nobody gives a .... what you think. All you do is say irrational .... based on whatever the .... ........ you yank out of your ...; stuff you think is clever. You're ....... delusional. You think because someone replies to you that you have some substance or that you have some actual impact on the thread. But really ... you're like a gnat that people involuntarily swat at. You and Pinky are like peas in a pod.

Nice!!!

Amazing that the 'rumour' is held as closer to fact than Stoner having an illness that requires time out. Stoner has praised the Ducati hugely each of the last 3 races and he has signed for 2010 so why would he want to leave? It is not like he could go and ride for any other team if he pulled out of his contract. Ducati have no one else who can ride it and I would not be suprised if they had pulled out of MotoGP by now if the results of all the other riders who have graced the bike were all they had to go on so why would they get rid of him. Missing 3 races will still see him finish the season higher than all the other Ducati riders.

Let me float my own rumour! He has taken some medication that would see him test positive to a drug test so they have pulled him for 3 races until it is out of his system rather than see him banned for longer.

VR Fanboys vs CS Fanboys


I can’t help but notice how almost every thread here turns into a Rossi Fan versus Stoner Fan bar brawl.

Although much smaller in number, the Stoner Fans really seem to have some hate in them, with mostly asinine remarks devising some sort of Homosexual content, maybe to foster their own love of anus.

Rossi Fans seem to just love to hate Stoner no matter what he does. (Yes I’m guilty but trying to repent-a little, But Pinky is just so easy to punish!) I dislike him myself, however to ride at their level takes a unique amount of skill, fitness, concentration, good genes and even luck! This should be respected more often here, as should intelligent, informed discussion.

I wish we were arguing about how one or the other stuffed it up the inside and how wrong/right it was; this would be a MotoGP racing discussion. But unfortunately how CS performs off track seems to attract more attention than his riding and the sport is getting ever so close to F1 Tabloid style rubbish. And equally as detrimental is making up rubbish about VR, what really ..... me is how, if you love bike racing, can you not respect and admire the GOAT who has given us so many entertaining moments over the years he is ‘almost’ single-handily responsible for the current elevated success of MotoGP. Attacking Rossi is attacking motorcycle racing-it’s that simple.

CS deserves more respect for his riding, but 800’s being what they are, somehow we aren’t seeing the races we all hoped and are continually hoping for. So we focus on his tantrums and whinging etc. like a bunch of women at the hairdresser eyeing the latest glossy rags and spewing out more .... on the floor than the day’s hair clippings!

And to me VR haters just seem to be terribly frustrated CS lovers, unfortunately for you guys the results and history really aren’t on your side, whilst sticking to your guns is admirable, at present you’re flogging a dead horse.

Maybe the personal attacks on CS (a lot of it brought on by himself) have brought down the mind/body of a very good racer, and if VR and CS only periodically read this small forum, let alone what the rest of the world has to say, they would need to be wearing their thickest skin constantly to stay in the mind game, millions of dollars or not.

So there’s no doubt you have to like the heat to stay in this kitchen, lets try to burn higher octane fuel rather than constantly trying to ignite faeces…..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 13 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VR Fanboys vs CS Fanboys


I can’t help but notice how almost every thread here turns into a Rossi Fan versus Stoner Fan bar brawl.

Although much smaller in number, the Stoner Fans really seem to have some hate in them, with mostly asinine remarks devising some sort of Homosexual content, maybe to foster their own love of anus.

Rossi Fans seem to just love to hate Stoner no matter what he does. (Yes I’m guilty but trying to repent-a little, But Pinky is just so easy to punish!) I dislike him myself, however to ride at their level takes a unique amount of skill, fitness, concentration, good genes and even luck! This should be respected more often here, as should intelligent, informed discussion.

I wish we were arguing about how one or the other stuffed it up the inside and how wrong/right it was; this would be a MotoGP racing discussion. But unfortunately how CS performs off track seems to attract more attention than his riding and the sport is getting ever so close to F1 Tabloid style rubbish. And equally as detrimental is making up rubbish about VR, what really ..... me is how, if you love bike racing, can you not respect and admire the GOAT who has given us so many entertaining moments over the years he is ‘almost’ single-handily responsible for the current elevated success of MotoGP. Attacking Rossi is attacking motorcycle racing-it’s that simple.

CS deserves more respect for his riding, but 800’s being what they are, somehow we aren’t seeing the races we all hoped and are continually hoping for. So we focus on his tantrums and whinging etc. like a bunch of women at the hairdresser eyeing the latest glossy rags and spewing out more .... on the floor than the day’s hair clippings!

Look Talpa, it aint about love or anything, nor am I in any way infatuated with you or stalking you but I find myself agreeing with you again.

While I may not agree with everything you have typed or said I do enjoy these paragraphs as it is very true and a sad indictment of what 'racing' has become when we the public have to attack the person. The constant personal attacks on these guys is well below what I feel is acceptable discussion or debate whether that be the CS personalit or as you say the gay taunts thrown at VR.

Fark, have to stop agreeing but in seriousness quite well said as the message is clear.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 13 2009, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look Talpa, it aint about love or anything, nor am I in any way infatuated with you or stalking you but I find myself agreeing with you again.

While I may not agree with everything you have typed or said I do enjoy these paragraphs as it is very true and a sad indictment of what 'racing' has become when we the public have to attack the person. The constant personal attacks on these guys is well below what I feel is acceptable discussion or debate whether that be the CS personalit or as you say the gay taunts thrown at VR.

Fark, have to stop agreeing but in seriousness quite well said as the message is clear.

Garry

By the way some people throw insults about here you'd think they were better riders but alas at best they are gym products with soft muscles and big egos.

The best excuse I’ve see here is after being pulled up the main culprit will come back with "I was only taking the piss" And always it gets him off the hook – but don’t mind me I’m merely taking the piss – yeah right

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 13 2009, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are drinking the wine and not interested in joining the pissing contest - jeez man.


I got to 4 feet 7 inches from the floor - what about you MDUB, Rog etc?










Garry
well thats depends on how true the article is. if its bs then not far but if they have split then i pissed the furthest. michealm was the only other that saw this as a possibility. one of the worst things an employee can do is think the company cant survive without them. Everybody is expendable.

Theres somethging very kinky about petronas talking about our pissing contest then asking if handstands are aloud so she can join in if frosty read that the poor old boy could have a heart attack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 13 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well thats depends on how true the article is. if its bs then not far but if they have split then i pissed the furthest. michealm was the only other that saw this as a possibility. one of the worst things an employee can do is think the company cant survive without them. Everybody is expendable.

Very true in most areas, but to me in GP at this point in time, Ducati need Stoner far more than he needs them (irrespective of any health issues). The 800cc era has shown that only one person can ride the Ducati to any level of consitently high finishes and whether Ducati like it or not, that places the rider as far less expendable than some would think.

The sport is all about results and with results comes sponsorships and with sponsorships comes more results and eventually one can expect success. Without the initial results the sponsorship pool lessens (generically speaking) and this means less money to attract quality personnel to the team which generally means a weakening of the results and so on.

CS could if he so chose be picked up by pretty much any team (assuming they had the dollars) as he is notoriously fast, competitive and a proven race winning World Champion. Any team picking him up will attract coverage and with coverage comes sponsorship and the cycle begins.

It is a circle and whether people want to recognise it or not, Ducati do need CS more than he needs them, unless their busines splan allows them to regress to a mediocre level (as circumstances would suggest will happen). So of course CS like any employee is expendable, but can that company afford that employee to leave is the real question.








Garry

dont suprise me if they had a big fall out and for all intents and purposes.
Caseys tyre choice virtually means that Duc cant with this years title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Aug 13 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>VR Fanboys vs CS Fanboys


I can’t help but notice how almost every thread here turns into a Rossi Fan versus Stoner Fan bar brawl.

Although much smaller in number, the Stoner Fans really seem to have some hate in them, with mostly asinine remarks devising some sort of Homosexual content, maybe to foster their own love of anus.

Rossi Fans seem to just love to hate Stoner no matter what he does. (Yes I’m guilty but trying to repent-a little, But Pinky is just so easy to punish!) I dislike him myself, however to ride at their level takes a unique amount of skill, fitness, concentration, good genes and even luck! This should be respected more often here, as should intelligent, informed discussion.

I wish we were arguing about how one or the other stuffed it up the inside and how wrong/right it was; this would be a MotoGP racing discussion. But unfortunately how CS performs off track seems to attract more attention than his riding and the sport is getting ever so close to F1 Tabloid style rubbish. And equally as detrimental is making up rubbish about VR, what really ..... me is how, if you love bike racing, can you not respect and admire the GOAT who has given us so many entertaining moments over the years he is ‘almost’ single-handily responsible for the current elevated success of MotoGP. Attacking Rossi is attacking motorcycle racing-it’s that simple.

CS deserves more respect for his riding, but 800’s being what they are, somehow we aren’t seeing the races we all hoped and are continually hoping for. So we focus on his tantrums and whinging etc. like a bunch of women at the hairdresser eyeing the latest glossy rags and spewing out more .... on the floor than the day’s hair clippings!

And to me VR haters just seem to be terribly frustrated CS lovers, unfortunately for you guys the results and history really aren’t on your side, whilst sticking to your guns is admirable, at present you’re flogging a dead horse.

Maybe the personal attacks on CS (a lot of it brought on by himself) have brought down the mind/body of a very good racer, and if VR and CS only periodically read this small forum, let alone what the rest of the world has to say, they would need to be wearing their thickest skin constantly to stay in the mind game, millions of dollars or not.

So there’s no doubt you have to like the heat to stay in this kitchen, lets try to burn higher octane fuel rather than constantly trying to ignite faeces…..

Unusually I don't disagree with most of this post either. If stoner reads the press much, let alone bike racing internet forums/fora, as one poster on here who knows him says he may do, I am surprised he is not permanently suicidal. I am sure valentino's self esteem is justifiably sufficient for him not to bother much about the press, and not to be affected by it in any case. The gay stuff is peurile and irrelevant and likely mostly raised by people who envy his heterosexual opportunities, which are probably of a similar order to those of the members of the rolling stones or led zeppelin in their halcyon days.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 13 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very true in most areas, but to me in GP at this point in time, Ducati need Stoner far more than he needs them (irrespective of any health issues). The 800cc era has shown that only one person can ride the Ducati to any level of consitently high finishes and whether Ducati like it or not, that places the rider as far less expendable than some would think.

The sport is all about results and with results comes sponsorships and with sponsorships comes more results and eventually one can expect success. Without the initial results the sponsorship pool lessens (generically speaking) and this means less money to attract quality personnel to the team which generally means a weakening of the results and so on.

CS could if he so chose be picked up by pretty much any team (assuming they had the dollars) as he is notoriously fast, competitive and a proven race winning World Champion. Any team picking him up will attract coverage and with coverage comes sponsorship and the cycle begins.

It is a circle and whether people want to recognise it or not, Ducati do need CS more than he needs them, unless their busines splan allows them to regress to a mediocre level (as circumstances would suggest will happen). So of course CS like any employee is expendable, but can that company afford that employee to leave is the real question.








Garry
its very true what you say but casey has not been that fast or consistent for some time now. It used to be stoner at the front and marco at the back but now stoner and hayden are not that far apart so theres light at the end of the tunnel for ducati with or without stoner.

just a thought i had while reading you sponsorship comments, maybe marlboro have complained they dont like the image of a sick man wearing marlboro logos. not a good image for them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (petronas @ Aug 12 2009, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that would, of course, depend if handstands were allowed.
We have a winner! Hands down. No need for your turn. After reading this I gave my attempt and just kept pissing in my own face. I owe you a bottle of the finest wine.

Anyone find anyomore details on caseygate? Gaz , you really dropped a bomb on this thread. I kanda feel like we are stuck inbetween rounds of a boxing match right now waiting for the bell to ring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 13 2009, 06:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if frosty read that the poor old boy could have a heart attack.
heart attack no.............................. hard on attack..................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 13 2009, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its very true what you say but casey has not been that fast or consistent for some time now.Other than the Donnington boondoggle, he's only finished below 4th once this season, with as many victories as anyone other than Rossi. Sure, he wasn't starting every weekend a second up on everyone, but I wouldn't call him slow. No one other than Rossi, Lorenzo, and pedrosa has finished in front of him in a dry race this year! As much as I wish Hayden was up there, he still hasn't really demonstrated consistent pace up front. Improvement, yes, but there's a lot of work left to do there as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 13 2009, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>heart attack no.............................. hard on attack..................


Thats back to back boner jokes. OK, I think its now time to clean this thread up. All this talk of wood will draw pinky to this thread and we don't want that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Aug 13 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Thats back to back boner jokes. OK, I think its now time to clean this thread up. <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%All this talk of wood will draw pinky to this thread and we don't want that.

naaahhh....... were talkin about reaction to girls here not boys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 13 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>heart attack no.............................. hard on attack..................
Who says you are old anyway?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 13 2009, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who says you are old anyway?
folks that don't understand that age, like many other things, is relative.